Re: [Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: If you're talking

[Dng] idea for discussion: why 1 dbus [long e-mail]

2015-02-25 Thread Godefridus Daalmans
Well, I have an idea for a discussion about re-architecting Linux, however it is very likely that this is just my lack of understanding speaking: I am aware that task #1 is providing Devuan Jessie (without systemd), and that is already enough work. Personally I consider task #2 to do a

[Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-25 Thread Linuxito
Hi people, As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for Devuan in the Without Systemd Wiki: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo Now I have created a new (more graphical) survey, to give a vote to your favorite logo: https://surveymonkey.com/s/Q7HV9GZ

Re: [Dng] Logind alternative (spoiler: Consolekit fork)

2015-02-25 Thread Dima Krasner
ConsoleKit2 was already packages by Max, but we don't need it in the Jessie cycle because the logind dependency was dropped from all packages. In the future - yes, I think we should invest in ConsoleKit2 and add a logind compatibility API to it, as most of logind's D-Bus methods have

Re: [Dng] idea for discussion: why 1 dbus [long e-mail]

2015-02-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2015 25 Feb 10:03 -0600, Godefridus Daalmans wrote: Personally I consider task #2 to do a little discovery and documenting of what kinds of middle-ware I have on my Linux box and how it all interacts (things like: what is akonadi/nepomuk/colord/avahi and do I need all of that). Unless

Re: [Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:24:56 -0500 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500 Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-25 Thread Anto
Hello Emiliano, I like the Stylized Galaxy logo (the 2 blue boomerangs forming a flipped S letter). But there is no corresponding logo with text/font (on the next page). It would look strange if the main logo and the logo with text/font do not match. Kind regards, Anto

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Steve Litt
[Sorry Gravis, I could find no shorter way to say this] On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:49:34 -0600 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 13:11 -0800, Go Linux wrote: This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN. Should be required reading

Re: [Dng] [philosophy] KISS, roots linux and the logo WAS Re: Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-25 Thread Neo Futur
its a general philosophy of design and openness FYI, I'm busy on such a topic for my Ph.D dissertation and will be happy to share the results once finished. and I ll be happy to read and comment ;) it is more about principles. Let's list some: - freedom of choice, -

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:05:44 -0500 Neo Futur d...@ww7.be wrote: If I had to point the finger at Linux's greatest failing, it is the expectation that users want others to do all of the work compiling and packaging and then they want to complain that that someone else made a choice that

Re: [Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

2015-02-25 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 00:08 -0300, hellekin wrote: I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some issues in the gitlab. That would make a good test suite for the next ISO. Probably need to go get a Debian jessie cd and see how many of these problems exist there too.

Re: [Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

2015-02-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:35:41PM -0600, John Morris wrote: Also just another problem, can't shutdown. Shutdown in a session just logs out and all of the shutdown, reboot, suspend, etc. options are greyed out in lightdm. Login as root and 'shutdown -h now' does work at least. But the

[Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

2015-02-25 Thread John Morris
Finally got around to seriously poking around with the Valintines Alpha release. Very alpha. Tried a default and an expert mode install, neither prompts for a root password and even if the option to create a user account is picked no prompts to actually do it appear. So I just did the basic

Re: [Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

2015-02-25 Thread hellekin
On 02/26/15 00:01, John Morris wrote: A generic devuan user is present, no idea of the password so I set one for both it and root. *** I brute-forced it: my first attempt was 'devuan' and worked ;o) I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some issues in the gitlab.

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-25 Thread Go Linux
On Wed, 2/25/15, Linuxito ad...@linuxito.com wrote: Subject: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 10:10 AM Hi people, As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for Devuan in the Without Systemd Wiki:

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread Gravis
That leaves the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to, when all the bullfeathers are removed, reaping zombies. Zombies were an irritation to all of us, but we've lived with them for 15 years, and their removal certainly doesn't justify a software V'ger. there is a bit more to

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-25 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:11:09PM -0800, Go Linux wrote: This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN. Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy! http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20t=120652p=570371 I personally think that the essence of that nice post