[DNG] HPLIP/sane problems with document feeder scanning

When I scan documents via the document feeder the scan head re-docks after every page which drastically slows down the process and wears it out, in comparison this doesn't happen when you copy something on the MFC's front panel. I have had this issue with various models of older hp mfc's I

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Is it possible to print and scan on an older hp network printer without hplip/dbus? It supports LPR/PS but I have never been able to get it to work properly (ie: with the extra paper trays, duplexer, dpi settings etc) are there any good guides for this?

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:25:44 -0400 Menelaos Maglis wrote: > > I use hplip and yes dbus is installed. > > > I run a very minimal ascii/ceres system and following the trail of > things dependent on dbus - well, unless somebody knows better it looks > like we are stuck with

Re: [DNG] Seeding Torrents for Devuan

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:37:40 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > Are you saying they are not working? For me on the East Coast of Australia, the answer was yes. My post was to check that at least some one was sharing it via torrent-check. Since I was able to directly download CD1, I've been able

Re: [DNG] Seeding Torrents for Devuan

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 02:24:24PM +1100, terryc wrote: > Is anyone actually seeding any torrent for Devuan? Yes, I've been seeding the full torrent for jessie stable since it became stable. I have also noted that it is uploading from time to time. I am on a slow connection by today's standards,

Re: [DNG] Seeding Torrents for Devuan

On 2018-03-14 22:24, terryc wrote: Is anyone actually seeding any torrent for Devuan? When the devuan-jessie-beta came out, I attempted to obtain it via torrent, but it never arrived. Similar situation the other day when, having spare hardware to finally set up a devuan beastie, attempting to

[DNG] Seeding Torrents for Devuan

Is anyone actually seeding any torrent for Devuan? When the devuan-jessie-beta came out, I attempted to obtain it via torrent, but it never arrived. Similar situation the other day when, having spare hardware to finally set up a devuan beastie, attempting to obtain the devuan-jessie torrents has

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

I have Virtualbox working on freebsd. On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:52 AM, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-03-14 21:29, schrieb Chillfan: > >> Just as a precursor to this.. I don't consider freebsd an alternative >> to Devuan partly because of freedom related issues since they're

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 09:57:33AM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:49:21AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > >     But here, the device is connected through the network; therefore it > > cannot communicate through dbus. Dbus is used between two pieces of software > > running on the

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 2018-03-14 21:50, schrieb Arnt Gulbrandsen: chill...@protonmail.com writes: lol @ about the browser taking longer to compile.. I have no doubt you didn't exaggerate this. That'll have been Chrome. A giant. Firefox is not better! The giant is webkit.

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 2018-03-14 21:29, schrieb Chillfan: Just as a precursor to this.. I don't consider freebsd an alternative to Devuan partly because of freedom related issues since they're happy to accept binary only drivers there. I have no problem with binary drivers. I am not an ideologist. I like the

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

chill...@protonmail.com writes: lol @ about the browser taking longer to compile.. I have no doubt you didn't exaggerate this. That'll have been Chrome. A giant. It includes several compilers and lots of libraries. The only things I've seen that are comparable are gcc (over a gigabyte of

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Just as a precursor to this.. I don't consider freebsd an alternative to Devuan partly because of freedom related issues since they're happy to accept binary only drivers there. That said there is some simplistic value to freebsd, but they are also using dbus where it's not appropriate. I

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 2018-03-14 20:50, schrieb Chillfan: This is one of the best tear downs of dbus I've seen. The thinking seems to be based purely on trends, e.g "You guys are going with dbus, right? OK let's do that." even if it makes no sense for the use case. I'm exactly with you! Last year I tried a

Re: [DNG] firmware missing in live iso

I have had similar problems with both Debian and Devuan. I Have to Belkin USB Wireless Adapters and a couple others which were not recognized by the installer. Finally found the D-Link DWA-140 USB Wireless Adapter which was immediatley recognized by the installer and is still working very well.

Re: [DNG] Install experiments with FAT partition sda1

Thanks. I'll have to learn how to do that. From: "taii...@gmx.com" To: dng@lists.dyne.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] Install experiments with FAT partition sda1 Hey instead of dual booting you can use IOMMU-GFX to have a VM with a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

J. Fahrner writes: That's also what I do. I have a Brother DCP-7045N connected as network printer with lpd protocol. I can install it with a single ppd file, but then printing is VERY SLOW. Printing is fast with the Brother supplied "cupswrapper" driver, but this is only available as 32bit

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 2018-03-14 13:05, schrieb Simon Hobson: FWIW, while it generally costs more, I've always (both for work and home) tried to stick to Postscript [compatible] printers. That's also what I do. I have a Brother DCP-7045N connected as network printer with lpd protocol. I can install it with a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

> It's $%@#$!@#$!@# annoying when people come afterwards and explain how simple a task is, and clearly have no idea about the complexities and problems. > Maybe d-bus is a poor fit for hplip. I don't know and I suspect you don't either. We do. Although the word "simple" is not the main point, I

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > FWIW, other printers are handled using some other IPC protocol. Same > information sent back and forth, but a different socket and protocol. My > Brother MFC8880 uses IPP and... I forget the name of the other protocol. FWIW, while it

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:11:23AM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: [cut] > > Some things not mentioned today: Problems because rendering whole pages to > bitmaps on the client needs so much RAM that the UI grows unresponsive, > other problems if the client renders the pages in sequence to save

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Quoting Menelaos Maglis (mmag...@metacom.gr): > So I am left with below choices: > > * Accept no printing > * Accept HPLIP+D-Bus if possible > * Fork and change HPLIP or develop something new to do the job, if I have the > abilities/motivation. > > At least this is an option in free software

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Didier Kryn writes: Do you remember any of these comics where the driver of a car opens the motor to repair, throws away a bunch of parts, and then the engine starts again and the guy goes away with the car? Here we are with Linux. The BIG piece to remove was systemd, but there are quite

Re: [DNG] firmware missing in live iso

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:46:43 + KatolaZ wrote: > if the firwmare is not pulled in by the firmware-linux-nonfree package > (i.e., if it is not in firmware-misc-nonfree), then it's not there. Grovelling apologies. Stupid mistake, mislabelled USB drive, was trying with a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Le 14/03/2018 à 11:29, Florian Zieboll a écrit : Hallo Didier, just to avoid confusion: this was not my point, but Menelaos Maglis's. I just tried to figure out that the basics of printing (like most things in computong) are a quite simple thing: pushing ones and zeroes. Besides that: Of

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Menelaos Maglis writes: Why should an application need a system bus to pass messages between its own components? CUPS is not using D-Bus and is able to print to other printers; only HPLIP uses D-bus, so far as I am aware. Why not keep using the same method/interfaces that are proven for

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Le 14/03/2018 à 10:54, KatolaZ a écrit : we are losing most of the original simplicity of Linux (effectively fucking up the only users who care about Linux), just to serve users that will never use Linux on their desktops     Very well said! ___

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 14. März 2018 10:49:21 MEZ schrieb Didier Kryn : > >     Dear Florian, I agree with you that it is nice to enable the > software to ask the devices what their properties are, by some > protocol. Hallo Didier, just to avoid confusion: this was not my point, but Menelaos

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am Mittwoch, 14. März 2018 schrieb Menelaos Maglis: > > Can't ask users about such > tradeoffs, they will be annoyed and won't be able to answer. These days you > can ask the printer via d-bus. The printer knows more about itself than its > users know about it. > > D-Bus is used for communication

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

kato...@freaknet.org writes: yeah, namely. Why on Earth do we need dbus to send a print job over the network via lpd or http? The real answer is "we don't". The effective one is "the developers of hplip don't give a toss". Yet another answer is: The developers don't see another way that's both

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:49:21AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > >     Dear Florian, I agree with you that it is nice to enable the software to > ask the devices what their properties are, by some protocol. This is nice > for the dummy/lazzy user we are all up to some point. > >     But

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 05:45:54AM -0400, Menelaos Maglis wrote: > > Can't ask users about such > tradeoffs, they will be annoyed and won't be able to answer. These days you > can ask the printer via d-bus. The printer knows more about itself than its > users know about it. > > D-Bus is used for

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Le 14/03/2018 à 09:44, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : Didier Kryn writes:     You're certainly right: it isn't simple. But it's essential, isn't it?. Graphics printing reached the personnal computer probably with the first McIntosh, in 1982. Not sure it's more feature-rich today than 10 years

Re: [DNG] firmware missing in live iso

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 06:22:36AM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Been toying with the jessie_1.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso. > > The box I am playing with uses a rather common Ralink RT2870 USB wifi dongle > which works out without problem with a PCLinuxOS live iso on this same box, > or

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

> Can't ask users about such tradeoffs, they will be annoyed and won't be able to answer. These days you can ask the printer via d-bus. The printer knows more about itself than its users know about it. D-Bus is used for communication between processes. So the configuration and operation of a

[DNG] firmware missing in live iso

Been toying with the jessie_1.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso. The box I am playing with uses a rather common Ralink RT2870 USB wifi dongle which works out without problem with a PCLinuxOS live iso on this same box, or with Rasvuan on my Raspberry-Pi. Here with the Devuan-live iso, I get no

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Didier Kryn writes: You're certainly right: it isn't simple. But it's essential, isn't it?. Graphics printing reached the personnal computer probably with the first McIntosh, in 1982. Not sure it's more feature-rich today than 10 years ago, when it wasn't depending on dbus. I wrote a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

> > "Cannot even print"? You make it sound as if printing were a simple task. > Printing /is/ a relatively simple task: You create a bitmap from your > document (or four im case of color printing) and send it to the printer. Many > printers (like my Oki B430dn) even accept ftp upload of

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 14. März 2018 09:29:08 MEZ schrieb Florian Zieboll : > > Printing /is/ a relatively simple task: You create a bitmap from your > document (or four im case of color printing) and send it to the > printer. Many printers (like my Oki B430dn) even accept ftp upload of > correctly

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Le 14/03/2018 à 08:45, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : "Cannot even print"? You make it sound as if printing were a simple task.     You're certainly right: it isn't simple. But it's essential, isn't it?. Graphics printing reached the personnal computer probably with the first McIntosh, in 1982.

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 14. März 2018 08:45:00 MEZ schrieb Arnt Gulbrandsen : > > "Cannot even print"? You make it sound as if printing were a simple task. Printing /is/ a relatively simple task: You create a bitmap from your document (or four im case of color printing) and send it to

Re: [DNG] Install experiments with FAT partition sda1

Hey instead of dual booting you can use IOMMU-GFX to have a VM with a graphics card (and then use a KVM switch) I do this and it is great (can play video games without letting windows access my bare metal or having to reboot etc) ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

> I use hplip and yes dbus is installed. > I run a very minimal ascii/ceres system and following the trail of things dependent on dbus - well, unless somebody knows better it looks like we are stuck with it. I realize that unfortunately one cannot even print without hplip/dbus these days... >