Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

2016-07-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/23/2016 06:01 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 23/07/2016 10:49, Simon Walter a écrit : On 07/23/2016 05:42 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it in some way, even when it was unnecessary. I

Re: [DNG] openvpn systemd

2016-07-24 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/24/2016 02:14 PM, Robert Storey wrote: This got me wondering...do you we have a How-To for setting up OpenVPN on Devuan? I'm using wicd for my Internet connection, which as I understand doesn't support OpenVPN directly, but there is supposed to be a way to make it work. I haven't investigat

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

2016-07-24 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/25/2016 01:31 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: I've come to the conclusion that "fast boot" can be counter productive. SWMBO has a Windows laptop that's quite quick to get to the login screen, but from the disk activity indicator it's clear it's not actually booted - just prioritised getting to t

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-25 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 08:03 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:06:09PM +, hellekin wrote: On 07/25/2016 06:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote: This is a screenshot of my buddy's kernel menuconfig: https://sanitarium.net/x.png Support for init systems, system and service managers: [*] Open

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-25 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 12:28 PM, Brad Campbell wrote: On 26/07/16 10:27, Simon Walter wrote: Is that really the case? Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users wanted and who were their typical users? Desktop/personal vs. server/professional? yes/no? Did they consult their

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 03:45 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:27:20 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: We need to drive a wedge into the FOSS community and separate the desktop users from the professionals. I am sorry to be divisive, but the water is under the bridge and the damage has already

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 04:27 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Simon Walker wrote: << Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support Debian's decision to use syst

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 06:09 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users wanted and who were their typical users? To the based of my recollection, no. To be clear, in the blog passage you quoted, Simon Richter

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 09:58 PM, dev wrote: On 07/26/2016 04:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote: libsystemd0's status as a bundle of interface code that does nothing in the absence of systemd is not because it's a library -- obviously -- but rather because all it _contains_ is interface code that does nothing in

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com): This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a systemd future for debian: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652 To my astonishment and pleasure, I found this well argued, reasonable, a

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/27/2016 01:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:10:00 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com): This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a systemd

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/27/2016 01:57 PM, Simon Walter wrote: On 07/27/2016 01:54 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 19:10:00 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): On 07/27/2016 01:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com): This is a must read on the

Re: [DNG] OT: question about mailing lists

2016-07-27 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/28/2016 02:02 AM, Brian Nash wrote: I recently replied to several threads on this list, and in many cases I forgot to CC the actual list, so the replies only went to one person. dng is actually the first mailing list I have ever used/contributed to, so I am not sure how I'm supposed to do

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/28/2016 05:50 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: ... but personally I consider it unethical to leave booby traps in systems for anyone that comes along to manage it after me. ... > That, for the most part, is why I've gone to great lengths to only use distro packaged software on the systems - even

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 06:43 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Rowland Penny (rpenny241...@gmail.com): It is a very stupid organisation that doesn't listen to its users, you can make the best thing in the world (and systemd certainly isn't that), but if a lot of your users don't want it, you are in trouble.

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 10:00 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote: If you can suggest an additional method, I'll be glad to amend my list of suggestions. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Your point is quite clear: you do not want a fork of debian and that

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 01:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:32 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 07/29/2016 10:00 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote: If you can suggest an additional method, I'll be glad to amend my list of suggestions. Othe

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 06:27 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: I wrote: ... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result. And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user, half of our internal sys

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/30/2016 04:18 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): In all fairness to Rick, he was making his statements on SVLUG, and then, on DNG, *I* referenced the SVLUG archive of the SVLUG discussion, and only then did he repeat his assertions here. And my assertio

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/30/2016 02:57 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): Which is why it could be construed that you disagree with a fork of Debian - a for of Debian as in "A fork of Debian that could be said to have been started because the default init system in Debian b

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-30 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/30/2016 03:55 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): Isn't that what's being discussed? When did I say the things you said were opposition for the Devuan Project? 'disagree with a fork of Debian'. I've made clear what I said, and what

[DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

2018-11-02 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I thought I should write to warn anyone that has not already upgraded to ascii. KDE 5 is "fine". I do not see the improvements - yet. Of course all your settings will not be used. So that is warning #1. #2 is that kwallet has a new format and even though it seems to support importing old

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

2018-11-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 11/03/2018 06:09 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: ... > Regarding Plasma/KDE in Devuan, you may also consider subscribing to > debian-kde mailing list, at least for reading it. Many of the things you > write here have been discussed there already months, if not more than a > years ago. That is

[DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-24 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I wanted to see if Cockpit would by some unknown magic run on Devuan. The reason I wanted to do this is because the packages are available in the default repos. After installing it on an fresh Beowulf installation, it does not run and to my knowledge will never be able to w/o systemd

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 5/26/21 1:25 AM, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: On 25/05/2021 17:09, Tomasz Torcz wrote: ...    Have you seen Cockpit working on Devuan system? Yes, I had it running on my old Samba AD DC's and I now have it running on a Devuan Unix domain member on my way to installing the Samba AD DC mod

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 5/26/21 12:37 AM, Mark Hindley wrote: This is actually a Debian bug and should be fixed there. If cockpit requires systemd, is should declare that dependency. AFAICT, it requires a systemd socket. It doesn't require any systemd packages (debs). Would that still be considered a dependency W

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-05-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 5/26/21 12:53 AM, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: Why would you want to remove something that works ? It just needs an init script. I've been shown by Rowland that a lot of it does work without systemd and, yes, an init script is needed, which I've submitted upstream, thanks to Rowland. T

Re: [DNG] Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 5/26/21 5:23 PM, Mark Hindley wrote: On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 04:23:56PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: On 5/26/21 12:37 AM, Mark Hindley wrote: This is actually a Debian bug and should be fixed there. If cockpit requires systemd, is should declare that dependency. AFAICT, it requires a

Re: [DNG] ..maybe webmin?, was: Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 6/8/21 7:05 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..turns out ebox changed its name, and, it does not support Procmail: https://zentyal.com/features/ It seemed to be going in a good direction, but maybe they didn't have enough funding. The last version I used was 5. After that, there was no benefit, as

[DNG] halt

2021-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
I am researching the behavior of halt on various Linux distros. They seem to be inconsistent. halt has different man pages: In ascii: " AUTHOR Miquel van Smoorenburg, miqu...@cistron.nl " At https://linux.die.net/man/8/halt " Author Written by Scott James Remnant " Does anyone have a

Re: [DNG] ..maybe webmin?, was: Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-06-10 18:47, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: > On 10/06/2021 10:36, Curtis Maurand via Dng wrote: >> If you’re looking at something  like zentyal, you could look at HPE’s >> clearos as well.  there is a free version.  It does all the things >> that zentyal does.  it’s only drawback is that i

Re: [DNG] ..maybe webmin?, was: Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-06-20 Thread Simon Walter
On 6/13/21 7:11 PM, d...@d404.nl wrote: On 08-06-2021 00:46, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 12:05:39AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..snip "tech" justification of subversive systemd politics. So in summary, there is no way of running cockpit in a non-systemd/Linux environment tha

Re: [DNG] ..maybe webmin?, was: Cockpit removal might make sense

2021-06-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 6/21/21 6:26 PM, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Using adduser/deluser and addgroup/delgroup isn't exactly rocket science :-P If they don't get that, then they probably shouldn't be adminning users and permissions to begin with ... There are managers who have tasted G-Suite/O365/Some_Cloud_Provider

Re: [DNG] Devuan as a hypervisor?

2021-08-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-07-31 10:25, yami...@cock.li wrote: > Hi. > > I want to install a bare metal hypervisor in my computer to get the > benefits from dual booting except without the mess that is dual booting. > > I'm going to use it for both linux and windows systems and all I want is > for the vms and their

Re: [DNG] Fw: Testers for Chimaera alpha netinstall iso

2021-10-12 Thread Simon Walter
I'm trying to install Chimaera from the netinstall, and I get the debootstrap error: "Failed to determine the codename for the release" Is this known? Where should I report problems with the installer? Thanks, Simon On 2021-06-18 07:24, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > > > Begin forwarded mes

Re: [DNG] Fw: Testers for Chimaera alpha netinstall iso

2021-10-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-10-12 19:19, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > Which ISO does this concern? Does it happen with the latest? devuan_chimaera_4.0.RC-20211011_amd64_netinstall.iso > Which hands-on is involved? > Bugs would still be reported as per the original instruction. I will check for the existence of

Re: [DNG] Fw: Testers for Chimaera alpha netinstall iso

2021-10-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-10-12 20:58, Simon Walter wrote: > On 2021-10-12 19:19, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: >> Which ISO does this concern? Does it happen with the latest? > > devuan_chimaera_4.0.RC-20211011_amd64_netinstall.iso > >> Which hands-on is involved? >> Bugs woul

Re: [DNG] Fw: Testers for Chimaera alpha netinstall iso

2021-10-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-10-12 21:04, Simon Walter wrote: > > > On 2021-10-12 20:58, Simon Walter wrote: >> On 2021-10-12 19:19, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: >>> Which ISO does this concern? Does it happen with the latest? >> >> devuan_chimaera_4.0.RC-20211011_amd64_net

Re: [DNG] Fw: Testers for Chimaera alpha netinstall iso

2021-10-13 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-10-12 21:13, Simon Walter wrote: > On 2021-10-12 21:04, Simon Walter wrote: >> >> >> On 2021-10-12 20:58, Simon Walter wrote: >>> On 2021-10-12 19:19, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: >>>> Which ISO does this concern? Does it happen with

[DNG] Chimaera and ntpd/openntpd/chrony???

2021-10-19 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, ntpd doesn't seem to be in the default repos. What is the recommended NTP daemon? I've never used openntpd nor chrony. Thanks, Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Chimaera and ntpd/openntpd/chrony???

2021-10-19 Thread Simon Walter
On 2021-10-20 15:09, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: > Hmm not sure where you take information from: > > https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=file&q=bin%2Fntpd&x=submit > > https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=ntp=1:4.2.8p15+dfsg-1 > > perhaps a miss

[DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, Happy New Year! May 2019 be fantastic for you! I have a simple question: Is NetworkManager supposed to work? I am trying to learn about how it works because it is installed by default. It has not worked in Jessie and it does not work in Ascii. I have read the manuals and I think I have

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/8/19 8:21 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2019 at 08:12:12PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Happy New Year! May 2019 be fantastic for you! >> >> I have a simple question: Is NetworkManager supposed to work? >> >> I am try

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/8/19 8:41 PM, J. Fahrner via Dng wrote: > Am 2019-01-08 12:12, schrieb Simon Walter: >> I have a simple question: Is NetworkManager supposed to work? > > Yes, it works. > >> It has not worked in Jessie and it does not work in Ascii. I have read >> the manuals

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/8/19 8:55 PM, J. Fahrner via Dng wrote: > Am 2019-01-08 12:45, schrieb Simon Walter: >> Did it work on a fresh install? Or did you have to configure anything? > > Yes. The only thing you have to note: the interfaces it should manage > must not be listed in /etc/network/int

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/8/19 9:29 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > Simon Walter wrote: > >> Maybe there is some kind of conflict with another package. I have no DNS >> resolution. I do not have the full dnsmasq package installed - just the >> dnsmasq-base. > > I think you need to take

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/9/19 2:54 AM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 08-01-19 13:59, Simon Walter wrote: >> >> Many thanks for the help. >> >> Yes, wireless LAN works from all my other computers. The Internet is >> accessible from them. I have a router that does the PPPO

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/9/19 4:47 PM, Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 09.01.19 13:48, Simon Walter wrote: >> This still did not work. So after learning about connman, I decided to >> try that. I removed NetworkManager and reinstalled connman and the >> "systray" app cmst "just wor

Re: [DNG] Is NetworkManager supposed to work?

2019-01-13 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/11/19 12:24 PM, Simon Walter wrote: > On 1/9/19 4:47 PM, Erik Christiansen wrote: >> On 09.01.19 13:48, Simon Walter wrote: >>> This still did not work. So after learning about connman, I decided to >>> try that. I removed NetworkManager and reinstalled connman and

Re: [DNG] ..alsa+apulse and torbrowser... rpath is /usr/lib/apulse and is too long???

2019-01-21 Thread Simon Walter
IMCO, If a piece of software requires PulseAudio, it deserves to be silent. I run a studio and muck around with "pro" linux audio apps from time to time but mostly xwax. That is why I knew Systemd would be no good. I want to hear the excuses for wasting CPU cycles and damaging ears from you-know-w

Re: [DNG] ..alsa+apulse and torbrowser... rpath is /usr/lib/apulse and is too long???

2019-01-22 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/22/19 4:38 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2019-01-22 01:12, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 14:04:02 +0900, Simon wrote in message >> <24516662-997c-fa54-ab14-d12437192...@gikaku.com>: >> >>> IMCO, If a piece of software requires PulseAudio, it deserves to be >>> silent. >> >> ..a

Re: [DNG] ..alsa+apulse and torbrowser... rpath is /usr/lib/apulse and is too long???

2019-01-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 1/23/19 6:48 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 22/01/19 at 18:28, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 01:37:17AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: >>> I don't see what sound has to do with that. Gotta have that video stream? >> If you're a video journalist,

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

2019-04-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 4/2/19 6:14 PM, hal wrote: > > > On 4/1/19 1:30 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > >> >> There was no attack. There was no security incident. It was an April >> fool. We have clarified that several times. I have apologised for >> that. I am very sorry for the distress caused :\ > > I think it's noteworthy

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-26 Thread Simon Walter
I heard them talking about this on Jupiter Broadcasting. I think it was in a previous episode they mentioned Devuan too and talked about how some maintainers of Debian are having second thoughts. As with PulseAudio and Systemd, it might be a good idea, but the way Mr. Pottering goes about things i

Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSH login

2019-09-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/27/19 7:25 AM, Steve Litt wrote: ... > > Basically, Kmail became dependent on a huge database called Akonadi and > an always dragging lookup facility called Nepomuk, to the point that > you couldn't fix things by moving files around or changing a config. I > bailed out of Kmail, and six month

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-09-30 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/29/19 12:36 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a tactical > error that could have very real, unintended consequences. So that the ignorant among us can understand learn, do you mind telling us why? Thanks, Simon __

Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM

2019-10-01 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/1/19 12:57 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2019-09-30 09:27, Simon Walter wrote: >> On 9/29/19 12:36 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: >>> Sorry Steve . . . I think this idea is naive, ill-advised and a tactical >>> error that could have very real, unintended cons

Re: [DNG] OT: KVM/QEMU incremental backups?

2019-12-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 11/19/19 8:21 PM, hal wrote: > Is anyone doing QEMU/KVM incremental backups of a running VM? I'm trying > to find some info on how best to accomplish the backup as well as a > restore. I have not done it with a VM, but I suppose it should work fine: LVM snapshot. I take one every 30 minutes on

[DNG] Hidden "Chrome Web Store Payments" menu entry...

2019-12-08 Thread Simon Walter
...in at least KDE in Jessie. /usr/lib/chromium/chromium "--profile-directory=Profile 1" --app-id=XXX I use Chromium for development testing. # dpkg --get-selections | grep chromium chromiuminstall I have never installed Chrome. I suppose this is from ups

Re: [DNG] Hidden "Chrome Web Store Payments" menu entry...

2019-12-09 Thread Simon Walter
On 12/9/19 8:56 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 15:24:05 +0900, Simon wrote in message > <6d01ab17-3ab2-bc52-cbb2-f838087fe...@gikaku.com>: >> I suppose this is from upstream. Does anyone about this? I thought >> maybe other privacy conscious users would like to know. It seems like >>

Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-03-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 3/16/20 1:22 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: ...  - Note that firefox-esr no longer requires pulseaudio. You can easily    remove pulseaudio and just use alsa. Oh yeah! I can watch Youtube now with Firefox now! Thanks for the news and for the for Devuan!

Re: [DNG] ibus

2020-03-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 3/18/20 7:12 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:59:41 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: Anno domini 2020 Tue, 17 Mar 10:27:11 +0100 Didier Kryn scripsit: ...     There's now a fashion of doing all innovations in a complicated way. It seems developpers have become unable to th

Re: [DNG] AMD Ryzen? -> AMD bashing

2020-03-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 3/21/20 12:15 PM, terryc wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:24:27 +0100 Antony Stone wrote: Hi. Does anyone here have experience of running Devuan on AMD Ryzen CPUs? Aps, a bit slow. We had a pair of these; processor : 3 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 23 model

Re: [DNG] OT: mpv drops GNOME support

2020-07-20 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-07-09 03:57, Jim Jackson wrote: > > https://linuxreviews.org/Mpv_drops_GNOME_support > I love the poetry a commenter left. He knows how I feel. "Fuck GNOME devs coming straight from tha underground A young hacker got it bad cos he's out of other FOSS choices so devs think They have the

Re: [DNG] my experience upgrading to NFT

2020-08-02 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-08-03 07:36, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-08-02 17:00, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> What is NFT? > > nftables, the slowly arriving successor to iptables. > https://wiki.debian.org/nftables I've been using Shorewall for years. I only just now learned that: https://sourceforge.net/p/shorewall

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/4/20 3:50 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: Well . . . I decided to run an fsck on the misbehaving harddrive. It started off by identifying the errors and rewriting them and then went through Free block counts, Inode bitmap differences and Free inodes and directory count. Some snippets of the

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/5/20 1:34 AM, Andreas Messer wrote: Hi golinux, On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 01:50:07AM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2020-09-01 00:07, goli...@devuan.org wrote: [...] I have no idea how reliable the repaired drive is after this radical surgery. Can it be written to or files deleted? Shou

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/5/20 11:19 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2020-09-04 20:46, Simon Walter wrote: On 9/5/20 1:34 AM, Andreas Messer wrote: Hi golinux, On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 01:50:07AM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2020-09-01 00:07, goli...@devuan.org wrote: [...] I have no idea how reliable the

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/5/20 3:34 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: ... Yes we do! I checked a log I had saved from before I did the e2fsck and those values are identical to the post-e2fsck log. If they are identical, then it would seem that the fsck did not trigger the reallocation. However, what caused the corrupt

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/5/20 3:21 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: My board doesn't have an eSATA port. Neither does the new dock but at least it is USB 3.0.  Current enclosures are 2.0 . . . ... If you are a data hoarder and like disks, I'd suggest getting your hands on some hardware that has a SATA controller.

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 9/5/20 12:50 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Sat, Sep 05, 2020 at 12:26:21PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: Reallocation, to my knowledge, should happen in the background. It's *possible* that the reallocation event and the FS corruption are unrelated. My understanding is that the drive

Re: [DNG] Can this drive be saved?

2020-09-09 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-09-09 15:53, Brad Campbell via Dng wrote: > On 5/9/20 10:38 pm, Simon Walter wrote: >> On 9/5/20 12:50 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 05, 2020 at 12:26:21PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: >>>> Reallocation, to my knowledge, should happen in the backgro

Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too

2020-10-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-09-28 19:48, g4sra via Dng wrote: > On 28/09/2020 02:29, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 01:35:55AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: >>> On 27/9/20 13:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: I have reservations about where QT5 is going, despite any issue with pulseaudio, now might be a go

Re: [DNG] problem with KDE/plasma on Beowulf / pulseaudio too

2020-10-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-09-27 19:25, . via Dng wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a thinkpad laptop with a separate numeric keypad.  I was using > devuan ascii with KDE happily on this machine, but when I upgraded to > beowulf  I lost the use of the numeric keypad.  It appears to be > KDE/plasma that's at fault, so I

Re: [DNG] Any parties interested in lxc ?

2020-10-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-10-05 11:23, tom wrote: ... > > I would appreciate if we kept this on-board unless needed. Never know > when someone in the future might find it useful. > I would appreciate that too! I use it mainly on servers, but also some dev env. I used the LXC and Debian documentation to get start

Re: [DNG] Any parties interested in lxc ?

2020-10-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-10-08 21:08, g4sra via Dng wrote: > On 08/10/2020 04:30, Simon Walter wrote: >> On 2020-10-05 11:23, tom wrote: >> ... >>> >>> I would appreciate if we kept this on-board unless needed. Never know >>> when someone in the future might find it use

Re: [DNG] Any parties interested in lxc ?

2020-10-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-10-11 08:10, g4sra via Dng wrote: > On 10/10/2020 21:47, Simon Walter wrote: >> On 2020-10-08 21:08, g4sra via Dng wrote: >> -- snip -- >>> >>> Anybody enlighten me about the meaning of the phrase... >>> >>> 'The controller see

[DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-10-22 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, Yes, I use TB. Please excuse me for living. I am wondering how other TB and GPG users are dealing with: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:OpenPGP:Migration-From-Enigmail From what I understand, I now have to maintain two copies of my key rings: the regular one and the one *inside* T

Re: [DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-10-24 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/23/20 7:27 PM, Dimitris via Dng wrote: On 10/23/20 10:04 AM, Simon Walter wrote: Has any of you TB users (assuming there are any here} done this migration? How is the new shiny? Is it fine? Shall I forget about TB? Any suggestions of what could replace it? yes it works, but not

Re: [DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-10-24 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/24/20 7:03 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..heh, I've used Claws for over 18 years now, ever since it was known as Sylpheed version 0.7.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-pc-linux-gnu), never really looked back, it's email the way email was meant to be. :o) Oh it's Sylpheed. I used that at one time when I ha

Re: [DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-10-24 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/25/20 7:20 AM, Mark Rousell wrote: On 23/10/2020 08:04, Simon Walter wrote: Has any of you TB users (assuming there are any here} done this migration? How is the new shiny? Is it fine? Shall I forget about TB? Any suggestions of what could replace it? I'm not in a hurry to do

Re: [DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-10-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/26/20 5:07 AM, Dimitris via Dng wrote: forgot to mention seamonkey (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/). -- also these days, webmail/nextcloud can be used as groupware too, with calendars/contacts included.. webmail gpg support is very rare (for a pretty good reason imo), but mailpile ca

Re: [DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-10-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-10-28 07:47, Rick Moen wrote: ... > I continue to like projects that are limited in feature scope enough to > not live or die by corporate underwriting. E.g., mutt continues to be > maintainable by a small group of motivated developers. When I want it > to be graphical, I run it in an xte

Re: [DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-10-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-10-28 08:20, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Dimitris T. via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > >> still recommending TB to clients/people though... > > In case it's useful, I keep a list of all known MUAs for Linux, here: > http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Mail/muas.html > Necessary disclaimer: As anyone

Re: [DNG] the email universe

2020-10-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-10-29 20:12, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > Found the list of MUA useful. > > The last time I went looking though - - - it seemed to me anyway that > much more than just a MUA is needed for a complete system. > > Would someone be able to outline for the unknowing what all actu

Re: [DNG] Clarification please

2020-10-30 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/30/20 3:19 AM, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: That said, I've stopped using unbound and I'm using straight BIND as my local resolver lately. It's pleasant. From what we discovered about unbound during one of the meetings, I clearly do not trust that technology. What meetings? Is it pos

Re: [DNG] Clarification please

2020-10-30 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/30/20 7:29 AM, Rick Moen wrote: ... FWIW, I am no longer comfortable with the idea of a combined authoritative/recursive server on a publicly exposed static IP. That has been deprecated for long decades as bad security, particularly because it increases the risk of cache poisoning of the re

Re: [DNG] Clarification please

2020-11-02 Thread Simon Walter
On 10/31/20 11:18 AM, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: On 31 Oct 2020, at 10:52, Simon Walter wrote: On 10/30/20 3:19 AM, Bernard Rosset via Dng wrote: That said, I've stopped using unbound and I'm using straight BIND as my local resolver lately. It's pleasant. From what we d

Re: [DNG] TB and Enigmail

2020-11-05 Thread Simon Walter
I updated another field/site laptop yesterday and noticed (again) that TB was not updated passed 68. My heart was glad. I want to thank the Devuan maintainers for making these kind of sane choices. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! ___ Dng mailing lis

Re: [DNG] Clarification please

2020-11-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 11/3/20 4:36 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 31 Oct 2020 09:08:50 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 10/30/20 7:29 AM, Rick Moen wrote: ... FWIW, I am no longer comfortable with the idea of a combined authoritative/recursive server on a publicly exposed static IP. That has been deprecated for

Re: [DNG] Clarification please

2020-11-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 11/3/20 8:44 PM, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: Hi Rick, Rick Moen writes: Quoting g4sra via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): Can anybody suggest a suitable authoritative/recursive DNSSEC supporting name server for SOHO domain use on embedded systems. What I am looking for is something like dns

[DNG] cdist real-world

2020-11-20 Thread Simon Walter
I just now had time to update cdist and saw this gem in docs/src/cdist-real-world.rst: case "$os" in devuan) : ;; *) echo "OS $os currently not supported" >&2 exit 1 ;; esac _

Re: [DNG] What I learned at Distrowatch

2020-12-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-12-01 23:59, Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2020 at 03:33:41PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > >> What, specifically, gets installed as part of Devuan which you don't want to >> see there? > > As an exercise, try doing a minimal install via debootstrap, which is > arguably the

Re: [DNG] Anybody successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with Devuan?

2020-12-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-11-29 21:26, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone successfully worked with an Nvidia GeForce gt 710 with > Devuan? As a bonus, has anyone gotten it to work without Pulseaudio? I set up an old Dell XPS desktop for a friend's son with Manjaro. I chose this because it was the only dist

Re: [DNG] Firefox and its forks are losing the power of add-ons.

2020-12-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-12-04 08:59, John Crisp via Dng wrote: > On 3 December 2020 09:12:07 CET, Edward Bartolo via Dng > wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> If you have other solutions which I did not think of, please suggest >> them. Thanks for taking the time to reply. >> > > "Firefox" has lost it. Hey ho. > That t

Re: [DNG] samba/NAS box problem

2020-12-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2020-12-02 02:18, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: ... > > You can 'nmap --script smb-protocols ' for a list of supported > versions. > > libre Grüße, > Florian Hi Florian, What package holds said "smb-protocols" script? I regularly troubleshoot in MS shops and that looks useful. Vielen Dan

[DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?

2020-12-03 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, First of all, sorry if I missed this in the docs somewhere. I had a look around the website and particularly https://www.devuan.org/os/releases has no info. When can I expect oldstable to move to archived? I suppose I should keep an eye out for a Chimaera BETA announcement and then change

Re: [DNG] Oldstable and Archive timing expectations?

2020-12-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 12/4/20 10:47 AM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2020-12-03 19:39, Simon Walter wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> First of all, sorry if I missed this in the docs somewhere. I had a look >> around the website and particularly https://www.devuan.org/os/releases >> has

Re: [DNG] samba/NAS box problem

2020-12-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 12/4/20 11:47 AM, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: > Am 4. Dezember 2020 02:19:42 MEZ schrieb Simon Walter : >> On 2020-12-02 02:18, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: >> ... >>> You can 'nmap --script smb-protocols ' for a list of supported >>> versi

[DNG] Mental Outlaw does Devuan

2020-12-04 Thread Simon Walter
He has a lot of good videos - not so accurate, but I love his enthusiasm. He reminds me of myself when I was 15. He just put this out: Devuan 3.0 Beowulf Install & Review - The Best Entry to Freedom from SystemD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDwiEaehrQ&t=0 -- Sent from my mobile device. Plea

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