Re: [DNG] Red Hat ends KDE support
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:40:56 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I bounced to Mandrake briefly then Suse for an even shorter time before > > realizing that apt was better than rpm and became a Debian user. > It was the janitor at my local church that told me to switch form Mandrake > to Debian. Good advice! I did the same, then to Devuan, but now am considering PCLinuxOS; I do miss all the Drake* tools ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- There is no branch of mathematics, however abstract, which may not some day be applied to phenomena of the real world. -- Nikolai Lobatchevski -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Repent! [Re: No spaces between menus in XFCE terminal.]
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 03:59:47 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> Thou shalt be flogged for uttering this blasphemy! > > De gustibus non est disputanum. > Thou shalt have no other theme than DarkPurpy! And me thinking Linux was all about user's freedom of choice... Cheers, Ron. -- Aimer, c'est donner raison à l'être aimé qui a tort. -- Charles Péguy -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unbound details: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:04:36 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: > Ouch - like I said, the message is clear that they don't want to support and > promote it. Given that one of the main reasons for people to run OS X Server > is for the "easy to use GUI", I'd say that it pretty well removes most of the > reasons for using it rather than the "harder to use"* Linux/BSD/Whatever > alternatives. If you are looking for a distro with easy-to-use GUI interface, and without systemd, you might consider PCLinuxOS, and its suite of Drak* configuration apps inherited from Mandrake / Mandriva / Mageia. Cheers, Ron. -- The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 23:07:46 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > 1. If you have alsamixer installed, see if anything is muted. Or in pavucontrol Cheers, Ron. -- The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end. -- Benjamin Disraeli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I'm not going to respond to messages like that.
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 23:06:59 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > 'The failure mode of clever is "asshole."' This is a family list; so: 'The failure mode of clever is "orifice".' Cheers, Ron. -- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but That's funny ? -- Isaac Asimov -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] An eudev oddity ?
Given a USB pendrive that was one used to hold a Linux install .iso (dd ... of:/dev/sdi...) then formatted and used as /dev/sdi1 to store data. When plugged in, I see it appear in the PCManFM "Places" as both sdi and LABEL; either can be mounted, and its content browsed, opened, etc. Is the normal ? How can I format it so it is no longer "seen" as /dev/sdi ? Cheers, Ron. -- The business of the law was not the discovery of the truth, but the imposition of the power of the state upon its citizens. -- Commissario Brunetti -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Web browser needed
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 16:13:46 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Begging your pardon, but I suspect you are proposing a solution before > making sure you understand what the problem is. Very possibly > In your shoes, I would attempt a manual connection using the openssl > command line utility, and note carefully what cipher gets negotiated and > any problems observed. https://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/ has a basic > guide. Thank you for the advice. Cheers, Ron. -- When you come to a fork in the road, take it. --Yogi Berra -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Web browser needed
I would welcome advice on what browser to use, given that Mozilla Firefox now refuses to connect to my IPCop firewall box at 192.168.127.254:8022 making the administration of the firewall impossible. It claims that it cannot let me connect: "The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified." Tried others, Dillo will not do https, Arora complains that: "Received finished signal while progress is still: 10 Url: QUrl( "https://192.168.127.254:8022/; ) " Vivaldi complains that: "This site can’t provide a secure connection 192.168.1.254 sent an invalid response. ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR" Even tried the venerable links in a terminal, ssl error. Any other idea ? If the developpers are worried about users wandering into unsafe sites, I would understand a warning, but why the complete blockage ? And is there a way around it ? Cheers, Ron. -- True friends stab you in the front. -- Oscar Wilde -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] vivivi
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:34:35 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > So the only inequivocally remaining received gospel is that Emacs is the > Only True and Holy Editor. Heretic ! True Believers worship at the Shrine of VI... Cheers, Ron. -- La marine est un art, une science, et un snobisme. -- Roger Glachant -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:19:40 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > Thank $deity for that. Whoever He or She is, should not we accord Him or Her the civility of an upper-wase variable name as $DEITY ? ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- A good question is never answered. It is not a bolt to be tightened into place but a seed to be planted and to bear more seed toward the hope of greening the landscape of idea. -- John Ciardi -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 20:38:11 -0400 Clarke Sideroad wrote: > Linux is a big brave step into the unknown, especially if you have no > clue as to what hardware is doing the magic. Perhaps some icon that can > be clicked to give a hint of the optimum selection as previously > suggested would help. A warning message at boot time, that the computer is 64-capable and the user might want to change his choice of iso ? Cheers, Ron. -- Il faut se garder de donner un nom aux choses: Tant qu'elles n'en ont pas, elles n'existent pas, ou elles existent à peine. -- Jean Dutourd -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?
On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:16:10 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Bunsenlab has also a GUI program for adjusting fonts for Gtk. Where can one find it ? Cheers, Ron. -- Gli nomini si debbano o vezzeggiate o peguere; perche' si vendiciano delle leggieri offese, delle gravi non possono. -- Niccolo Machiavelli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points
On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 12:45:36 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > Just have to keep a post-it on the monitor, to remind you which HD has > > what ;-3) > I actually keep a small sticky label on the drive itself. ;) Might not be very useful at boot time ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Television has proved that people will look at anything rather than each other. -- Ann Landers -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points
On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 10:48:28 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > A work-around for your problem: > > Install each OS individually on a HD (disconnecting the other bootable > > ones if need be) and install Grub on the mbr of that HD. > > When booting, press F8 (or whichever your BIOS uses) to bring up the > > Boot Menu, and choose there the HD you want to boot from. > I have done exactly that more than once. No chance of an 'oops' when > only one disk is available for install. Just make sure it's the disk > you want to write to. Just have to keep a post-it on the monitor, to remind you which HD has what ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Dieu créa l'homme, et ne le trouvant pas assez seul, il lui donna une compagne pour lui faire mieux sentir sa solitude. -- Paul Valéry -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points
A work-around for your problem: Install each OS individually on a HD (disconnecting the other bootable ones if need be) and install Grub on the mbr of that HD. When booting, press F8 (or whichever your BIOS uses) to bring up the Boot Menu, and choose there the HD you want to boot from. Cheers, Ron. -- All true wisdom is found in sig-files. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] broken PDF display
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:09:02 + KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > Just to say: no problems over here with either zathura, xpdf, or mupdf > on ASCII. But my pdf files are not that fancy, TBH :) Here under Jessie, mupdf displays correctly, but xpdf does not. Cheers, Ron. -- La révolution, c’est faire tout de suite avec coups, plaies, bosses et sang, ce qui de toute façon serait arrivé tout seul par la force des choses. -- Henri Vincenot -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] broken PDF display
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:14:47 -0400 Haines Brown <hai...@histomat.net> wrote: > Recently and not in association with any system changes, atril and xpdf > no longer displays the content of perhaps half my PDF files. They see > all the pages, but they are blank. An exception is that sometimes a > cover page, TOC, download notice at bottom of pages, or the graphics are > displayed, but not the text. This is consistent: a failure or success > repeats on subsequent tries. > > This happens whether the PDF is version 1.4, 1.5, and 1.6. It happens > on my desktop machine whether using atril or xpdf. It does not happen if > I copy a problematic PDF to USB key and display it with xpdf on a laptop > that has the same version of Devuan Jessie, kernel and xpdf. However, > that same file on key fails to be displayed by my desktop machine. > > The desktop has auto-upgrades, but not the laptop. However both machines > running Devuan Jessie with 3.16.0-4-amd64, The version of xpdf the same > on both desktop and laptop. > > I've got 32 Gb RAM on this machine and no other PDFs are being > displayed. I tried to reboot to clean things out, but that didn't help. > > The xpdf Find utility can find words in the body of a text, but displays > them only as black rectangle. So the problem seems to be the display of > the font. > $ xpdf -fg black Abrams1995.pdf > error: "black" file not found > Printing the PDF has same result as its display. I have noticed the same behaviour in recent days, but while the .pdf files do not display properly in evince or pdfshuffler, they do in gv. Cheers, Ron. -- The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell. -- Augustine, bishop of Hippo -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] firmware missing in live iso
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:46:43 + KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > if the firwmare is not pulled in by the firmware-linux-nonfree package > (i.e., if it is not in firmware-misc-nonfree), then it's not there. Grovelling apologies. Stupid mistake, mislabelled USB drive, was trying with a Debian iso. And the Debian logo did not register, as I see it under Devuan every time I log in... Cheers, Ron. -- Here is to the Council of Trent who put fasting on the meat, and not on the drink. -- Irish toast -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] firmware missing in live iso
Been toying with the jessie_1.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso. The box I am playing with uses a rather common Ralink RT2870 USB wifi dongle which works out without problem with a PCLinuxOS live iso on this same box, or with Rasvuan on my Raspberry-Pi. Here with the Devuan-live iso, I get no wireless network, with the indication "device not ready (firmware missing)". And of course, I cannot get the firmware without a network connection. An oversight ? Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] udev completely F-e'd up ?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:02:57 + KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > Just throwing a random comment: are you sure the device does not > contain a gpt? If that is the case, the correct partition table would > be seen only via gdisk, not via fdisk. You are spot on, thank you: it did hold a gpt, which I got rid of with the g option in gdisk (expert mode). Is there a way to banish gpt from my box, to avoid future annoyance ? Cheers, Ron. -- Eschew Eschaton Immanentization. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] udev completely F-e'd up ?
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:17:43 -0300 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > Since upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie, I have been having > problems with USB drives, unable to mount them unless as root, and seeing > strange things in Pcmanfm, like when connecting a drive that has been used as > and installation medium (dd if=xxx.iso of=/dev/sdi) later re-formatted with > gparted, I get two entries in the places list of Pcmanfm, one as sdi which, > when clicked on, shows me the former content of the drive, and when I choose > sdi1 shows me the new content. > > Lates madness is as follows: > > root@ron:/home/ron # df > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/sdi1 7.3G 207M 6.7G 3% > /media/773613f4-0e37-4c4b-9a6c-4facc813fbcc > > root@ron:/home/ron # fdisk -l /dev/sdi > Disk /dev/sdi: 10 MiB, 10485760 bytes, 20480 sectors > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disklabel type: dos > Disk identifier: 0x4857f764 > > Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type > /dev/sdi12048 20479 18432 9M 83 Linux > > why would fdisk show a (wrong) value different from that (correct) given by > df ? > > If as I suspect that is linked to udev being buggered up, is there a way to > delete all the data udev has accumulated over the years about all the units > that were connected to the box, and start clean again ? More info: Plugged in another box (running a fresh install of PCLinuxOS, another systemd-free distro) I get df and fdisk to give me the proper size value. While there I reformatted the drive to fat32; plugged it back in the Devuan box, fdisk still gives the wrong size, and still tells me it is ext4... Cheers, Ron. -- Toute loi qui viole les droits imprescriptibles de l'homme, est essentiellement injuste et tyrannique; elle n'est point une loi. -- Maximilien Robespierre -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] udev completely F-e'd up ?
Since upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie, I have been having problems with USB drives, unable to mount them unless as root, and seeing strange things in Pcmanfm, like when connecting a drive that has been used as and installation medium (dd if=xxx.iso of=/dev/sdi) later re-formatted with gparted, I get two entries in the places list of Pcmanfm, one as sdi which, when clicked on, shows me the former content of the drive, and when I choose sdi1 shows me the new content. Lates madness is as follows: root@ron:/home/ron # df Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sdi1 7.3G 207M 6.7G 3% /media/773613f4-0e37-4c4b-9a6c-4facc813fbcc root@ron:/home/ron # fdisk -l /dev/sdi Disk /dev/sdi: 10 MiB, 10485760 bytes, 20480 sectors Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disklabel type: dos Disk identifier: 0x4857f764 Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type /dev/sdi12048 20479 18432 9M 83 Linux why would fdisk show a (wrong) value different from that (correct) given by df ? If as I suspect that is linked to udev being buggered up, is there a way to delete all the data udev has accumulated over the years about all the units that were connected to the box, and start clean again ? Cheers, Ron. -- E Pluribus Unix -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:54:35 + KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading > ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org > > The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting > for ASCII to come out. Here is a snaphot of the MRTG from one of > Devuan's servers in the last 20 hours: > > http://katolaz.homeunix.net/tmp/ascii_beta_release.png > > We have served iso downloads to several thousands unique IPs, and at > the moment we have several hundred parallel active connections. OVH > has kindly increased the upload bw on our servers, and we are > currently working to make additional servers available. > > Well, it seems that they are right in saying that love can be > "suffocating", at times :D > > In the meanwhile, the best way to get ASCII beta images as soon as > possible is to back off for a few hours, let the (many) mirrors use > the availale bandwidth to sync as fast as they can, and then download > the images from one of the mirrors listed at http://www.devuan.org Why not offer a BittTrrent download ? Cheers, Ron. -- America, you may call this an election, but the rest of the world is viewing this as your I.Q. test. And it is not looking good. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Log-out instead of screen-saver ?
Would it be possible to configure the system so that after a set time of inactivity, it logs-out the user instead of activating a screen saver ? Cheers, Ron. -- Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. -- H. L. Mencken -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Any idea
when ASCII will be declared stable ? Is it a question of weeks ? months ? Cheers, Ron. -- To our sweethearts and wives: May they never meet. -- 19th century toast -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Meltdown and linux kernel KPTI patch
On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:52:48 +0100 viverna <vive...@inventati.org> wrote: > When the KPTI patch will be in ascii and jessie? > With AMD processor is possible to ignore patch? > > According with: > https://meltdownattack.com/ > "it is unclear whether ARM and AMD processors are > also affected by Meltdown." > and AMD wrote: > https://www.amd.com/en/corporate/speculative-execution > "Zero AMD vulnerability due to AMD architecture differences." ISTR that AMDs are not affected by Meltdown, but affected by Spectre Cheers, Ron. -- When we can't dream any longer we die. -- Emma Goldman -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Happy New Year!
On Mon, 1 Jan 2018 13:50:51 +0100 aitor_czr <aitor_...@gnuinos.org> wrote: > Without being too pedantic [*], *devuanita* is the right term. A > debianita is to debian, like a devuanita to devuan. With due respect, your Worship, "Devuanita" would be a term of endearment for a young (female) Devuana... Cheers, Ron. -- Hearts will never be practical until they can be made unbreakable. -- The Wizard of Oz -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan
On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:50:56 +0100 Antony Stone <antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote: > > Oh, come on. Have some sense of humour! Didn't you see the sarcasm in > > my comment? > > Email is a notoriously bad medium for conveying tone of voice. so next time use a tag. Cheers, Ron. -- The people who run the media are humanities graduates with little understanding of science, who wear their ignorance as a badge of honour. -- Dr. Ben Goldacre -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Text editor ?
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 04:43:30 -0300 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > Thank you; sadly this is not offered in Devuan Jessie ;-3( Please ignore: Synaptic could not find it, but apt-get did. Cheers, Ron. -- The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out. --Thomas Babington Macaulay -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Text editor ?
On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:04:34 +0100 "J. Fahrner" <j...@fahrner.name> wrote: > > Thanks, I should have been more precise: one with a GUI. > > My favourite GUI text editor is Geany. Thank you; sadly this is not offered in Devuan Jessie ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out. --Thomas Babington Macaulay -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Text editor ?
On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:16:18 + ael <adrian.lawre...@physics.oxon.org> wrote: > > Is there in Devuan a text editor that will do find/replace on a regexp ? > Almost every non trivial editor will do that: my favorite is vim. Thanks, I should have been more precise: one with a GUI. Cheers, Ron. -- This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. -- Abraham Lincoln -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Text editor ?
Is there in Devuan a text editor that will do find/replace on a regexp ? Cheers, Ron. -- This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. -- Abraham Lincoln -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Cron / Anacron
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 15:25:06 +0100 Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > > I notice that since I upgraded from Bebian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie my box > > runs periodic jobs through anacron instead of cron. > > This sometimes causes heavy jobs to run at inconvenient times. > > Given my box runs 24/7, is there a simple way to banish Anacron, and run > > Cron at fixed times, in the wee hours of the night for instance ? > You can run as root: update-rc.d anacron disable > Or you can disable the unwanted anacron jobs in /etc/anacrontab. I dont want to remove the jobs presently done by Anacron, but have them done by Cron at a suitable time. Will that happen if I disable Anacron ? Cheers, Ron. -- Distrust all those who love you extremely upon a very slight acquaintance and without any visible reason. -- Lord Chesterfield -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Cron / Anacron
On Wed, 06 Dec 2017 14:37:04 +0100 Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote: > > Given my box runs 24/7, is there a simple way to banish Anacron, and run > > Cron at fixed times, in the wee hours of the night for instance ? > > Just remove anacron by removing the anacron package. Thanks. Cheers, Ron. -- We are drowning in information but starved for knowledge. -- John Naisbitt -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Cron / Anacron
I notice that since I upgraded from Bebian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie my box runs periodic jobs through anacron instead of cron. This sometimes causes heavy jobs to run at inconvenient times. Given my box runs 24/7, is there a simple way to banish Anacron, and run Cron at fixed times, in the wee hours of the night for instance ? Cheers, Ron. -- Auntie Em: Hate you. Hate Kansas. Taking the dog. Dorothy -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Decent GUI FTP client for linux (not filezilla)
On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 03:31:09 -0500 "taii...@gmx.com" <taii...@gmx.com> wrote: > After noticing that filezilla has added adware to the windows client I > am nervous about using it for linux due to their loose morals and I am > curious about alternatives. > > I am looking for one with a decent gui, ideas? Thanks Have you tried gFTP ? Cheers, Ron. -- Kilroe hic erat! -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] netiquette Was: Re: Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.
On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 09:17:36 + Arnt Gulbrandsen <a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no> wrote: > Svante Signell writes: > > This is not the first posting from Eduardo to this list. He still has > > not learned netiquette, a very sad story. Sorry for raising this issue > > now, I just couldn't wait any longer. Regarding technicalities we are > > speaking about he is fully aware. > > Fix your own mail reader before you complain about how others quote. It > still doesn't generate RFC 3676-compliant quotations. How about taking that discussion to the Hair-splitting group in Yahoo... Cheers, Ron. -- Anarchy: a perfect state where no government is needed -- 1929 OED -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Different philosophies (OT)
On Fri, 10 Nov 2017 12:17:21 -0800 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > It's a heap-based buffer overflow Nevder understood how buffer overflows were not catered for at compilation time. Many moons ago ISTR that attempting something that could result in a buffer overflow would cause the compil to abend with a 0C7, 0CA or 0CC Exception code... Cheers, Ron. -- If you can tell the difference between good advice and bad advice, you really don't need advice. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 13:51:02 +0100 Simon Hobson <li...@thehobsons.co.uk> wrote: > The topic was discussed to death not long ago and the consensus seemed to be > that "there is no solution that works for everyone" ! As Jochen says, for > "simple" machines with no more than one ethernet and one wifi, nothing needs > to be done. For everything else then there is a problem that needs solving. > > I think the only thing we did all agree on was that systemd's latest screw > around with device names was the worst option of all ! What about the possibility of having somewhere a config option: "Do you want fixed NIC names or do you want them renamed whenever changed/moved ?" Cheers, Ron. -- Do not trust atoms: They make up everything ! -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.
Since I updated my Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie I am unable to access USB drives to store data. - I cannot mount them as user under Pcmanfm or Thunar "Error opening directory '/media/Mageia-4.1-x86_64': Permission denied" - As root, I can read the content under Pcmanfm, but not write; Gparted will create a partition table, when trying to create a partition gives me first an error "Daemon is inhibited", then fails to create the new FAT32 ffile system. Is there a way to move from Devuan Jessie to Debian Jessie without catching the systemd pox ? Cheers, Ron. -- Do not trust atoms: They make up everything ! -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 21:45:04 +0200 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > And you forbid yourself to use su or ssh from the command line, > because this doesn't change the color scheme of the terminal. ? ? ? ? Changing PS1 in the relevant .bashrc changes colours both in XFCE-console and in tty Cheers, Ron. -- Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined. -- Samuel Goldwyn -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 07:59:31 -0400 fsmithred <fsmith...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch > > a prog as root from the CLI.. > > Why did the configuration change ? > > How can I restore it ? > You're not the only one who has run into this. Here are a couple of > discussions that might have some useful information: > [Solved] Removable media unaccessible as normal user (PCManFM/Thunar) > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=128 Thank you; I tried the they gave, and created /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/10-udisks.pkla with [udisks2] Identity=unix-group:storage Action=org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount;org.freedesktop.udisks2.encrypted-unlock;org.freedesktop.udisks2.eject-media;org.freedesktop.udisks2.power-off-drive ResultAny=yes in it, and added the user to the plugdev group. Sadly, no change after a reboot... Cheers, Ron. -- If God didn't want women to be looked at, He would have made 'em ugly. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 13:50:31 + Miroslav Rovis <miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr> wrote: > Useful. But in which file do you stick it, you didn't say? ~/.bashrc ? I stick the root ones in the relevant /root/.bashrc, and in ~/.bashrc for the user. Cheers, Ron. -- If God didn't want women to be looked at, He would have made 'em ugly. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 06:28:30 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > > If the '#' and "root@hostname" escape the attention of a person > > entrusted with root privileges, then why not make the root prompt bright > > red: > > > > root@ratatosk:/home/erik# export PS1="\[\033[1;31m\]\u@\h:\W\$ > > \[\033[0;0m\]" > > It's a very good idea -- or, as Arnt says, set the background colour > (which you can do with X11 resources if launching root shell directly > from the window manager). Do both; that way you get a warning when you log in as root in an X session, and also when you log in in a tty. Cheers, Ron. -- When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. -- Mark Twain -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 23:35:37 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root > authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt ending > character changing from "$" to "#". > > It could work. Somebody should try it, some time. I run xfce-console with five tabs open; two logged-in as user, the sprompts are black; one logged in as root, the prompt is red; two others logged in as root on remote boxes, their prompts are green and blue. It is simple enough to change PS1='\n\[\033[1;34m\]\u@\h:\w \$ \[\033[0m\]' in the various .ashrc to the colour you want/need. Been using that for years, never had a problem. Cheers, Ron. -- A real patriot is the fellow who gets a parking ticket and rejoices that the system works. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:09:21 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Did you log out and back in after making the change? I did, no change. Cheers, Ron. -- Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -and claims a halo for his dishonesty. -- R.A. Heinlein -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 16:52:56 -0400 "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > > groups did not help; alas > > Thanks, butt adding my user to the plugdev Read: Thanks, but adding my user to the plugdev group did not help; alas Cheers, Ron. -- One way to make your old car run better is to look up the price of a new model. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 06:29:52 +0100 KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble > > under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a > > Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch > > a prog as root from the CLI.. > > Why did the configuration change ? > > How can I restore it ? > I think it might just be associations of your user to groups, e.g., > groups did not help; alas.... Thanks, butt adding my user to the plugdev Cheers, Ron. -- One way to make your old car run better is to look up the price of a new model. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:51:53 -0500 Hector Gonzalez <ca...@genac.org> wrote: > You can also do this, assuming your original user is "user": > XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority > export XAUTHORITY > DISPLAY=:0.0 > export DISPLAY > and use x with that. You don't add permissions, and there is no need to > use ssh to forward localhost connections. If XAUTHORITY is missing, you > need xauth installed, but that should already be there if you have ssh > and X anyway. root should have permission to read ~user/.Xauthority > unless you are using a non local home directory. OTOH, having done nothing to configure ssh, I have ssh -X working perfectly, allowing me to run on my desktop a pcmanfm to manage files on the remote box. Cheers, Ron. -- One way to make your old car run better is to look up the price of a new model. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 13:52:50 +0200 info at smallinnovations dot nl <i...@smallinnovations.nl> wrote: > >>> My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without > >>> trouble under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to > >>> launch a Pcmanfm as root to access them. > >> I had similar issues some time ago and switched to spacefm with udevil. > >> That solved it for me. > > This is a serious problem: how can I sell Devuan to users if they cannot > > access their pendrives after a Debian==>Devuan upgrade ? > So far it does work in one of my VM's when I connect a pendrive to the > VM it is automounted. What is your exact configuration? May be i can > find the reason by building a VM for it. No in a VM, just a recent upgrade from Debian Wheezy LTS to Devuan, and now no USB peripheral mounts unless I do it as root. Cheers, Ron. -- There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. -- Will Rogers -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 08:09:50 +0200 "J. Fahrner" <j...@fahrner.name> wrote: > > My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without > > trouble under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to > > launch a Pcmanfm as root to access them. > I had similar issues some time ago and switched to spacefm with udevil. > That solved it for me. This is a serious problem: how can I sell Devuan to users if they cannot access their pendrives after a Debian==>Devuan upgrade ? Cheers, Ron. -- A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. -- Edward R. Murrow -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 12:19:51 +0200 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > However, for at least a decade, the launcher of Synaptic, in > Debian, has been invoking gksu. Certainly some other sysadmin commands > were using it also, but synaptic is the one I mostly use. When you launch it from the GUI, maybe, but not when launched from the CLI. Cheers, Ron. -- A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. -- Edward R. Murrow -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 11:37:14 +0200 Didier Kryn <k...@in2p3.fr> wrote: > > Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the > > CLI. > This could never work. su does not transmit the X connection I have no idea whether it _could_ work. But I know it _did_ work. For many years.. Cheers, Ron. -- You must realize that the computer has it in for you. The irrefutable proof of this is that the computer always does what you tell it to do. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] And another new behaviour under Devuan.
My camera, cell phone and USB pendrives that used to mount without trouble under Debian now give an error "Not authorized" and I have to launch a Pcmanfm as root to access them. Lucky I learned this morning how to launch a prog as root from the CLI.. Why did the configuration change ? How can I restore it ? Cheers, Ron. -- It is inexcusable for scientists to torture animals; let them make their experiments on journalists and politicians. -- Henrik Ibsen -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 19:43:54 +0100 Dave Turner <dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk> wrote: > Also, 'su' is just wrong, don't use it, always use sudo, If I wanted to always use sudo I would be running *ubuntu... Cheers, Ron. -- No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. -- Eleanor Roosevelt -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:33:23 +0100 KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > you probably just need to `xhost +` from the "regular" user account > before su-ing. By default the current display is not accessible by any > user except the one who launched it. root is not an exception. Anything against having `xhost +` in ~/.bashrc ? Cheers, Ron. -- Any stigma, as the old saying is, will serve to beat a dogma. -- Philip Guedalla -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017 10:39:13 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > There was an issue opened up about this 9 months ago: > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/issues/14 > Devuan alternatives were created specifically for xdm but never > transferred to the project and repackaged. OK ta, I'll look for a different one. Cheers, Ron. -- Any stigma, as the old saying is, will serve to beat a dogma. -- Philip Guedalla -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.
Under Debian, I could su to root in a console, and launch gparted from the CLI. Now, I get: ron@ron:~/Desktop $ su Password: No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' No protocol specified xmodmap: unable to open display ':0.0' root@ron:/home/ron/Desktop # gparted No protocol specified (gpartedbin:4721): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 What did I do wrong ? And by the way, logging in under xdm (?) I had a shock when the Debian name and loogo appeared on the login screen... Cheers, Ron. -- As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] GUIs font sizes
Since upgrading from Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie, I have a font size problem in several programs, like flpsed, imagemagick, timidity: the font size used in the GUIs of those programs is so small I cannot read them. I suspect it might be a Qt/Gtk problem ? Any idea where to dig for making those prog fonts great again ? Cheers, Ron. -- Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. -- A.H. Weiler -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome?
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting... I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox... Cheers, Ron. -- Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship. -- Bruce Coville -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100 KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > > > Have you tried to install any of them? > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick > You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake How do you know a priori that the snake is toothless ? Cheers, Ron. -- Sodd's Second Law: Sooner or later, the worst possible set of circumstances is bound to occur. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome?
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200 Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: > I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome. Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted diseases... Cheers, Ron. -- Sodd's Second Law: Sooner or later, the worst possible set of circumstances is bound to occur. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100 KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > Have you tried to install any of them? No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick Cheers, Ron. -- In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us. -- Thich Nhat Hanh -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200 Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: > Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? > I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages related to Gnome, 303 of which have Gnome in their name. So go ahead, install Gnome, and go in peace... Cheers, Ron. -- In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us. -- Thich Nhat Hanh -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?
After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list of instalable packages. Why are there so many ? My source list: deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main dh-systemd/stable 1.24+devuan1.0 all golang-go-systemd-dev/stable 2-1 all libghc-libsystemd-journal-dev/stable 1.1.0-2 amd64 libghc-libsystemd-journal-doc/stable 1.1.0-2 all libghc-libsystemd-journal-prof/stable 1.1.0-2 amd64 libpam-systemd/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-daemon-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-daemon0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 [residual-config] libsystemd-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-id128-0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-id128-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-journal-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-journal0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-login-dev/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 libsystemd-login0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 [residual-config] libsystemd0/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 live-config-systemd/stable 4.0.4-1 all python3-systemd/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 systemd-cron/stable 1.3.1+ds1-2 all systemd-dbg/stable 215-17+deb8u7 amd64 systemd-gui/stable 1:3-2 all systemd-shim/stable 9-1 amd64 systemd-ui/stable 3-2 amd64 Cheers, Ron. -- In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us. -- Thich Nhat Hanh -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome?
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200 Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: > I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd. > But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was > for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area. What does Gnome offer, that XFCE lacks ? Cheers, Ron. -- Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses. -- H. L. Mencken -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome?
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:00:22 +0200 Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: > 3. Why not? Because all recent versions of Gnome are infected with the systemd pox. Cheers, Ron. -- A society that puts equality over freedom will not get any of those things. A society that puts freedom above equality will get a high degree of both." -- Milton Friedman -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Upgrade to Devuan done.
Two niggles: Is there a way to get rid of, or disable, keyring ? could not find the package that provides it. When I launch EasyABC, which worked under Wheezy this morning, I now get: ron@ron:~/Desktop $ easyabc Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/easyabc/easy_abc.py", line 203, in import wx.media ImportError: No module named media Any idea where to dig ? Cheers, Ron. -- Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. -- Salvor Hardin -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What if...
Finally taking the plunge, and upgrading following Dev1fanboy's howto on https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan Cheers, Ron. -- My karma just ran over your dogma. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] What if...
...I upgrade my Debian Wheezy LTS to Devuan Jessie ? What happens then to those packages I need/use which are not in the Devuan repositories ? Will the older versions still run ? Or will the upgrade remove them ? Or, if they have no systemd dependencies, can I install the Debian Jessie versions ? Worried, on the banks of the Paraguay River -- Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think. -- Niels Bohr -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gnome?
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200 Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> wrote: > Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ? > > I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu. For a recent version of Gnome: 1- Install systemd ...... Cheers, Ron. -- Whenever one person is found adequate to the discharge of a duty by close application thereto, it is worse executed by two persons and scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein. -- George Washington -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?
On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:53:56 -0400 Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: > Bear in mind that with a Window Manager, you can only adjust fonts for > the windows, not the applications in side the windows. Those > applications are adjustable via the adjuster program for their library: > Qt or Gtk. So you have to run the adjuster program from the command > line instead of from a magical sequence of mouse clicks, but the result > is the same, a great font size for your eyes. Would your kindness extend to giving us the names of the adjuster program, so we know what to run from the CLI ? Cheers, Ron. -- America may be unique in being a country which has leapt from barbarism to decadence without touching civilization. -- John O'Hara -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new behaviour of /dev
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:48:02 +0200 Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > >> People were happy even before the steam engine was invented. > > 'solitary, > Do you think so? > > poor, > It depends; when the wealthiest individuals where those who could afford a > horse, wealth was more evently distributed than today. Or do you think they > felt poor because they could not have a PC? > > nasty, > Maybe, some of them. > > brutish, > Maybe, some of them. > > and short' come to mind > Oh dear, were they really *short*? Jeez, how happy I am not to have lived > in those awful times! All those adjectives, which come from a quote of Thomas Hobbes (1588 – 1679) refer not to people, but to their lives in preceding ages... Cheers, Ron. -- Gli nomini si debbano o vezzeggiate o peguere; perche' si vendiciano delle leggieri offese, delle gravi non possono. -- Niccolo Machiavelli -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] new behaviour of /dev
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:24:28 +0200 Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > > I really don't know why so many people think hotplugging is a major > > need, anyway. I happily used Linux for a very long time before it > > existed. > People were happy even before the steam engine was invented. 'solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short' come to mind Cheers, Ron. -- It is inexcusable for scientists to torture animals; let them make their experiments on journalists and politicians. -- Henrik Ibsen -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:26:04 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:30:00 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> > > wrote: > > > > > However_, even given that, in my experience any reshuffle USB would > > > add to the _existing_ devices' node assignments would occur only at > > > reboot time _if_ you left the USB device plugged in. > > > > Personal experience: I run an IPCop box as a firewall for my LAN, > > using three USBtoRJ45 interfaces in an attempt to reduce the > > motherboard damage from thunderstorms (I live in Darkest Paraguay). > > > > The local electricity system is not all that reliable, and even with a > > UPS the box gets rebooted several times a week. > > > > In around ten years of use I have never had the problem of USB/NIC > > assignment changing at reboot, except when I had to replace a > > burnt-out USBtoRJ45 ;-3( > > Interesting and thank you. At first, I thought you were going to post > Yet Another USB Flakiness Story, but it turns out that your NICs have > _not_ self-reassigned. Good to know. > > FWIW, when I wrote the above, I actually had in mind mass storage, e.g., > a system has /dev/sda on one HBA and /dev/sdb on another, mounts a USB > mass storage device as /dev/sdc, and then reboots with the USB mass > storage device plugged in and now finds that the USB device is /dev/sdb > in-between the two persistent devices with the result that /etc/fstab is > wrong. (Probably, the admin curses a blue streak and switches to UUID > referencing or disk labels.) > > One thing that people definitely _do_ bitch about is USB casual storage > being (say) /dev/sdc upon one insertion and then later /dev/sdd at the > next insertin (without a reboot between). From my perspective, I never > saw this as a problem. You just observe the inserted device's node by > looking at dmesg | tail, su to root, mount device, done. But the > new-user people don't like that, and want the process to be automagic. > Greg Kroah-Hartman justified the whole udev thing to me, claiming it > needed to be on all Linux systems, on grounds that he wanted his > daughter to be able to use USB devices without needing to be root. I > replied that happily he could do anything for his daughter he wished on > his _own_ systems, but that his daughter wouldn't be plugging USB > devices into my servers, so I wasn't especially interested in helping > her there. I forgot to precise that the three USBtoRJ45 are the same model, TrendNet TU2-ET100. Cheers, Ron. -- Like some infernal monster, still venomous in death, a war can go on killing people for a long time after it’s all over. -- Nevil Shute Norway -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 21:30:00 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > However_, even given that, in my experience any reshuffle > USB would add to the _existing_ devices' node assignments would occur > only at reboot time _if_ you left the USB device plugged in. Personal experience: I run an IPCop box as a firewall for my LAN, using three USBtoRJ45 interfaces in an attempt to reduce the motherboard damage from thunderstorms (I live in Darkest Paraguay). The local electricity system is not all that reliable, and even with a UPS the box gets rebooted several times a week. In around ten years of use I have never had the problem of USB/NIC assignment changing at reboot, except when I had to replace a burnt-out USBtoRJ45 ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- To succeed, planning alone is insufficient. One must improvise as well. -- Salvor Hardin -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal
On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 16:38:18 +0100 Rowland Penny <rpe...@samba.org> wrote: > As far as I am aware, each network device should have a different MAC, > couldn't this be used to identify which device is which ? Could, but whenever you have to change a NIC after a thunderstorm you are buggered... Cheers, Ron. -- All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph is for enough good men to do nothing. -- Edmund Burke -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames logic reversing proposal
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 01:38:00 +1200 Daniel Reurich <dan...@centurion.net.nz> wrote: > It implies > having "net.ifnames=1" in the kernel cmdline to get the "enp0s3"-like > scheme and not touching anything to get the "eth0" scheme. +1 Cheers, Ron. -- Those of you who think you know everything are very annoying those of us who do. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] GNOME usability "improvements" (OT)
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 19:35:55 +0200 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > And they had no souls even late in Gnome2 days, > before systemd was even a glimmer in Lennart's eye. which probably made it easier for the Evil One to take them under his thrall... Cheers, Ron. -- To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition. -- Woody Allen -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] GNOME usability "improvements"
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 18:24:31 +0200 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > It really makes me wonder why any distribution still even ships Gnome, much > less has it as the default. Could it be because Gnome have sold their immortal souls to Systemd ? Cheers, Ron. -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true. -- James Branch Cabell -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens
On Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:44:13 +0100 Rowland Penny <rpe...@samba.org> wrote: > > Explain exactly how I was "wasting" your time. You responded with > > derision and mockery when I brought up laches; as if it was no issue. > ARRRGGG is this guy for real, can he not take a hint ? The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. -- Wm. Shakespeare Cheers, Ron. -- Linux: want to know why my computer works. Macs: don't want to know why my computer works. DOS: want to know why my computer doesn't work. Windows: don't want to know why my computer doesn't work. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] High level language primitives [ was Please keep 32-bits alive]
On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:41:01 +0900 Olaf Meeuwissen <paddy-h...@member.fsf.org> wrote: > > In an ideal word, software would have > > > > - maximum performance > > - minimum resource usage > > - minimum of dangerous bugs > > In an ideal world, software would have *no* bugs ;-) > > > - easy maintainability > > - fast development > > - what else? > > Software would be Free as in freedom. Documentation ? Cheers, Ron. -- The difference between science and the fuzzy subject is that science requires reasoning while those other subjects merely require scholarship. -- Robert A. Heinlein -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 16:44:40 +0200 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > Current parts you get from electronish rubbish are some i5 models, or Core > Duo if your rubbish pool is that old. Remember, I live in Darkest Paraguay, our technorubbish is not all that advanced... Cheers, Ron. -- Spacetime tells matter how to move; matter tells spacetime how to curve. -- John Wheeler -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:57:55 +0200 Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > Restoring old gear is an expensive hobby. Poor kids in Africa can't afford > that. Putting together working gear by assembling disparate parts you get from electronic rubbish is free. I did it for a time for a school here in Paraguay, producing one working machine out of the wrecks of three or four old PCs given to the school by commercial businesses that had been upgrading their HW. And installing Linux (Mandrake 6.2 at the time) so the little dears could not bugger the installed OS... Cost: my time... Cheers, Ron. -- You can make it illegal, but you can't make it unpopular. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:03:32 -0700 Gregory Nowak <g...@gregn.net> wrote: > Guess in that case we should point that out also to the people who > still own and use historic cars from the last century for example. I still use when travelling (Email and Web browsing) a 2008 vintage EeePC, an the firewall for the house LAN is a Pentium II running IPCop. Is it a coincidence that my three cars are a 1997 Citroën Berlingo, a 1979 Mercedes W123 300D, and a 1971 Cotroën 2CV, not to mention a 1981 250ES MZ m/c ? Cheers, Ron. -- When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only of how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong. -- Richard Buckminster Fuller -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society
People, Please stop replying, just apply the Del key. Because unless the list gnomes apply the cluestick (or worse), nothing will stop those who want to continue with their OT rants, self-righteously claiming they can do so because someone else also did. Cheers, Ron. -- Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:18:13 -0400 Fungi4All <fungil...@protonmail.com> wrote: > I am relatively new here, I've only seen a few messages and all I can say it > is > "this is not what I expected". I am an opponent of all censorship and an > advocate of the freedom to use a delete button. My experience on other highly technical lists (Model Engineering, Steam railways, etc is that we get those OT threads from time to time, mainly when a list is slow-moving, and they resolve themselves very quickly when on-topic posts come back in higher numbers. Cheers, Ron. -- Death is not bad; it just comes badly, sometimes. -- Cordwainer Smith -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:59:35 + Miroslav Rovis <miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr> wrote: > Can't trust modern translations of Bible, actually so much undeserving > of trust that they verge on disgusting... yet modern translations often are from better ancient texts, which helps in the accuracy. Sad to say, but why would you read a translation into Latin when you can read one int French or English ? Cheers, Ron. -- News is the mother of opinion, opinion the cause of mass-delusion, delusion the source of war. -- Dr Jean-Jacques Vomact -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:52:42 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > (Apologies to any Latinists for the .signature block. It's a sly > reference to current domestic affairs designed to be in good enough > dog-Latin that it can be deciphered by English-speakers. Unfortunately, > the same sentiment in _good_ Latin is opaque to my countrymen who aren't > Latin-proficient, which would impair the joke.) Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... ;-3) Ave atque vale, Ron. -- -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 18:36:40 -0500 Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> wrote: > > > fate accompli > > "Fate" > > is very apposite in the circumstance > One misspell and a person's reputation is shot forever! > :-) And me thinking it was purposefully done ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations ? -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!
On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 10:25:20 -0500 Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> wrote: > fate accompli "Fate" is very apposite in the circumstance Cheers, Ron. -- It is a typically Hohenzollern idea to believe that it is a crime for a country to defend itself after its army has been destroyed. -- Karl Marx -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!
On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:07:46 +0200 Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float > by. > - Sun Tzu I'm afraid he never wrote that: See for instance https://shibumimanagementcanada.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/invented-sun-tzu-art-of-war-quotes/ Cheers, Ron. -- An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out. -- Will Rogers -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:32:52 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote: > > 08/15 is a common german expression for "plain vanilla". > Reference to the 08/15 rifle still in use during the second world war; > re-read Hans Hellmut Kirst. Sorry, machine gun, not rifle. Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:21:17 + rain...@wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de wrote: > 08/15 is a common german expression for "plain vanilla". Reference to the 08/15 rifle still in use during the second world war; re-read Hans Hellmut Kirst. Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:25:59 + Bruce Perens <br...@perens.com> wrote: > Can we be a little more focused, please? Gnome went for systemd. While I > don't think it was a good decision, it should not cause you to write off > the entirety of Gnome for their lack of philososophical purity. Debuan is > built to protect your choices, not to rule some of them out for political > rather than technical causes. The only interesting information would be: "Is it possible to install and run Gnome without having installed systemd ?" Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sat, 27 May 2017 23:04:13 +0200 info at smallinnovations dot nl <i...@smallinnovations.nl> wrote: > Nice if you missed it otherwise annoying. Thunar puts deleted files > there, at least on my system with XFCE4 it does. One more reason to drop Thunar and use Pcmanfm ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- If I had better tools, I could more effectively demonstrate my total incompetence. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:17:05 -0400 Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > The only one I have an idea what it's for is sane-utils. Presumably > access to scanners. I believe that one is for accessing the scanner over a network. Cheers, Ron. -- If I had better tools, I could more effectively demonstrate my total incompetence. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sat, 27 May 2017 19:48:32 -0500 goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On Xfce here, when I right click on a file/directory, I have two > options: Move to Trash and Delete. In Pcmanfm I have the option, in Edit => Preferences which lets me choose whether Delete sends to Trash, or delete. Cheers, Ron. -- If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] trash
On Sat, 27 May 2017 14:11:17 -0700 Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > > Personally, I find that bash makes a fabulous file manager, along with > > its friends find, awk, sed, cut, etc. > > Oh, and, just in case some other program with DE disease (like k3b) > decides to move a file there when you say to delete it): > > $ chmod 000 ~/.local/share/Trash > > (If that doesn't work, get a bigger hammer and set it immutable. ;-> ) Or ln to /dev/null Cheers, Ron. -- What really flatters a man is that you think him worth flattering. -- George Bernard Shaw -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute
On Mon, 24 Apr 2017 23:11:11 +0200 richard lucassen <mailingli...@lucassen.org> wrote: > > My buddy told me there's an idiot born every minute. > > We live in an idiocracy nowadays. Given there are 135 million births a year worldwide, out of which 2.2% are more than 2 standard deviations away from the mean, this gives us 5.6 idiots born every minute ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
