On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 19:56:50 +1000, Andrew wrote in message
:
> On 09/06/18 15:49, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > There's something fishy about this story.
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44368813
> > It was first published on June 5th and now dated June 6th, I first
> > read the story on
On 09/06/18 15:49, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> There's something fishy about this story.
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44368813
> It was first published on June 5th and now dated June 6th, I first read
> the story on June 5th at the same link. Not recoverable, not repairable
> or so they
On 06/06/2018 09:28 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 01:57:14 -0700
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 06/04/2018 12:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
It's like the difference between a bad guy hacking your system
remotely and his having physical possession. In the former case, he
must come in using
On 2018-06-05 22:18, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days
before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been
trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you
just
On 2018-06-06 01:47, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
As you say it's just business. So Bill Gates is in pharmaceuticals
now and he's a humanitarian for curing disease some place out of the
usa in small poor foreign countries, what a guy! Truth be told, he
could not get permission to test the drug here
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 01:57:14 -0700
Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> On 06/04/2018 12:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > It's like the difference between a bad guy hacking your system
> > remotely and his having physical possession. In the former case, he
> > must come in using specific protocols, and on a
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 05:52:57 +0100
Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> > I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your
> > post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux,
> > yesterday and today.
>
> There is considerable
On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:27:16 +0200, Arnt wrote in message
<20180606112716.7b592585@d44>:
> ...as all the really good and expensive lobbyists do. ;o)
..he's getting there: http://www.lfg.co/tda/strip/225/ ;o)
--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 23:47:51 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message
:
> On 06/05/2018 09:52 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
> > On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> >> I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your
> >> post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux,
>
On 06/04/2018 12:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:46:54 +0100
Mark Rousell wrote:
On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool
projects, and owning it means profiling the free software community
with an unprecedented accuracy.
On 06/05/2018 09:52 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your
post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux,
yesterday and today.
There is considerable venomous hatred from some here for
On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your
> post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux,
> yesterday and today.
There is considerable venomous hatred from some here for Microsoft, too.
Note that it is entirely
On 06/05/2018 08:18 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days
before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been
trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you
just
On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>
> Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days
> before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been
> trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you
> just hear the bluebirds and smell the
On 05/06/2018 19:18, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Mark Rousell:
>> [...]
>> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it
>> is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable
>> future, that is to be friendly to open
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 09:22:46 +0300, Lars wrote in message
<26f8aa1d-718c-5cdf-7fda-3afbb0fbe...@gmail.com>:
> On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> >> KatolaZ wrote:
> >>
> >>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb Mark Rousell:
> [...]
> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it
> is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable
> future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux.
M$ killed my business twice. Should I
Am Dienstag, 5. Juni 2018 schrieb goli...@dyne.org:
> On 2018-06-05 07:57, KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> >
> > [cut]
> >
> >>
> >> This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major
> >> corporate Linux company. It would
On 2018-06-05 07:57, KatolaZ wrote:
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
[cut]
This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major
corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new
business
model under Nadella.
In short, Microsoft
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 03:57:12PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> Is Miguel De Icaza an "ex" open source evangelist? As far as I know he's
> working at the NET Foundation on open source projects (or so it says on
> Wikipedia). Xamarin is open source right now. It's a key part of
> Microsoft's
On 05/06/2018 13:57, KatolaZ wrote:
> I don't believe in fairy tales any more. For me Microsoft remains the
> same rabid dog we have seen so far, and there is nothing you or
> Microsoft can say to convince me otherwise. You said it above:
> Microsoft is in business, and business has nothing to do
On 05/06/2018 13:59, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
>
> Mark you seem like a smart likeable guy, just like the guys I have met
> who work for microsoft and is the reason why I have not replied to
> your post.
:-)
> What I'm saying is simple fact, what I've seen with my own eyes and
> what you're saying is
On 06/05/2018 05:15 AM, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 05/06/2018 12:18, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions
in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to
kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 01:15:30PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
[cut]
>
> This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major
> corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new business
> model under Nadella.
>
> In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a
On 05/06/2018 12:18, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions
> in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to
> kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today
> microsoft wants to kill linux period. A
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:48:19AM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote:
>
> However, as long as Devuan is able to self-host, M$ destruction of
> GitHub is only a side problem and not directly in the way of progress.
To *really* self-host, would it not have to have its own copy of
Debian's source package
On 06/04/2018 10:04 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2018-06-04 11:56, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> and owning it means profiling the free
On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 at 10:06, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 05/06/2018 à 08:48, Lars Noodén a écrit :
> > Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and
> > M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy
> > but Canonical is not in good shape and like
Le 05/06/2018 à 08:48, Lars Noodén a écrit :
Of the the targets for purchase, I'd say that Canonical is weakest and
M$ always goes after the weak and crappy products. Ubuntu is not crappy
but Canonical is not in good shape and like Red Hat it has been
infiltrated at the executive level by
On 06/04/2018 09:10 PM, Mark Rousell wrote:
[snip]
> I chose the name 'Microsoft Enterprise Linux' deliberately. ;-)
[snip]
It's called "Azure Sphere OS" and it is 100% dependent on M$ products.
You cannot use it without M$ Azure and you cannot develop for it without
both M$ Windows and M$ Visual
On 06/04/2018 08:27 PM, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
[snip]
> Unfortunately TTL for societal knowledge seems to be about 6 years;
> i.e., 6 years after introduction, it'll generally be seen as having
> always been there.
>
> Ralph.
Good point but I'd say that's only if it's knowledge in an area near
On 06/04/2018 11:45 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
>>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
>>> stole DOS.
>>
>> While
On 04/06/2018 at 12:44, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly
>>> emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO.
>>
>>
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:32:32PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
[cut]
>
> I do not have strong opinions about Microsoft buying Github. Just the
> notion that paying such amount of money means some strategic move which
> will not necessarily means it is in the best interest of
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:38:16PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:45:56 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message
> <20180604204556.xhljswr4dfxui...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> > > KatolaZ wrote:
> > >
> > > >
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:45:56 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20180604204556.xhljswr4dfxui...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> > KatolaZ wrote:
> >
> > > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and
> > > never will.
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 22:36:39 +0200, Adam wrote in message
<20180604203639.cp7x6wnnaywnq...@angband.pl>:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 09:50:26PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > I also bet for RHEL because
> > > 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will
> > > be placed in
On 04-06-18 22:45, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
>> KatolaZ wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
>>> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
>>> stole DOS.
>> While I am no
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 08:47:36PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
> > will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
> > stole DOS.
>
> While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 09:50:26PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > I also bet for RHEL because
> > 1) it has much more derivatives than Suse and these will be
> > placed in front of a BIG dilemma - what a fun for MS!
> > 2) RHEL is already working to make this happen, by
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 21:07:24 +0200, Didier wrote in message
:
> Le 04/06/2018 à 20:10, Mark Rousell a écrit :
> > On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >> On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
> >> Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
> >> NO WAY!
KatolaZ wrote:
> Whatever people say on twitter, Microsoft has never changed and never
> will. It's the same company that stole BASIC. The same company that
> stole DOS.
While I am no fan of MS and it's tactics, they didn't steal DOS. They bought it
outright for what the person selling it
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 19:10:42 +0100, Mark wrote in message
<5b1580a2.8000...@signal100.com>:
> On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >
> > On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
> > Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
> > NO WAY! It's bad enough with
On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:46:54 +0100
Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool
> > projects, and owning it means profiling the free software community
> > with an unprecedented accuracy.
>
> But if most of those
Le 04/06/2018 à 20:10, Mark Rousell a écrit :
On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
brand of Linux, I
On 04/06/2018 18:18, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
> On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
> Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
> NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
> brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very
On 04/06/2018 18:36, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 06:06:33PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
>> I don't want to get into an argument about this as I am not exactly a
>> fan of Microsoft but...
>>
>> My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes
>> from
On 2018-06-04 12:06, Mark Rousell wrote:
Source: http://businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9
'Microsoft just edged out Facebook and proved that it's changed in an
important way'.
OT: This site wouldn't let me view content with an adblocker enabled.
I made a quick exit
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 06:06:33PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
[cut]
>
> I don't want to get into an argument about this as I am not exactly a
> fan of Microsoft but...
>
> My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes
> from GitHub's own statistics specifically for
Andrew McGlashan wrote on 05/06/18 03:18:
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold
On 05/06/18 03:06, Mark Rousell wrote:
> My statement that MS were the largest single contributor on GitHub comes
> from GitHub's own statistics specifically for *open source*
> contributions (admittedly dating from 2016).
>
> Source:
On 05/06/18 02:46, Mark Rousell wrote:> Anyway, I look forward to
Microsoft Enterprise Linux in due course. ;-)
NO WAY! It's bad enough with RHEL and it's competitors; if I need that
brand of Linux, I would go CentOS... but it will be a very cold day in
hell before I opted for a Microsoft
On 04/06/2018 17:52, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:40:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
>>
>> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open source.
>>
>> Aren't they the largest single contributor on GitHub?
>>
> No, they just own the largest corporate account on
On 2018-06-04 11:56, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> and owning it means profiling the free software community with an
> unprecedented
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> > and owning it means profiling the free software community with an
> > unprecedented accuracy.
>
> But if most of those
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:40:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 17:02, salsa-...@tut.by wrote:
> > Personally I see this as a part of "embrace open source" strategy to
> > kill open source.
> >
> > # Serge
> >
>
> I can't see that it would be in Microsoft's interest to kill open
On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote:
> Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects,
> and owning it means profiling the free software community with an
> unprecedented accuracy.
But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or
anyone else) would have
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 02:07:04PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote:
> On 04/06/2018 02:01, Rick Moen wrote:
> > For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source
> > projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider
> > outsourcing your entire source code
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> The main limit of Gitlab is the fact that it depends on rails. And
> rails is not meant for scalability, IMHO.
Yes, that really is a serious limitation. The Wikipedia page about the
GitHub codebase mentions only that it's written in Ruby (and some bits
On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 11:55:57AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 at 11:49:47 +0200
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > The most probable outcome is that a new alternative will possibly
> > emerge. And no, gitlab is not the one, IMHO.
>
> Why not?
>
> I do think a more modern
60 matches
Mail list logo
