Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-19 Thread Y Plentyn
Hi. (Hope the hacked threading works - please keep the address in Cc: there or in To) On 2017-08-12 16:52, Michael Siegel wrote: > There is a pretty big (2500-3000 visitors) Linux/FOSS event taking place > in Chemnitz (Germany) in March. It's called Chemnitzer Linux Tage > (Chemnitz Linux Days)

[DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Another advice is to avoid making analogies. Instead stick to plain facts. An analogy may help but given the audience is receptive. Remember, you will have a mixture of people with many of them convinced users of systemd. ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread Narcis Garcia
It's better to defend Init systems than focusing on the Systemd software. Dedicated hours against Systemd are lost hours for Init systems. How to defend init systems (ans supervisors)? Analyzing, documenting, comparing and explaining them to the detail. El 16/08/17 a les 14:39, Simon Hobson ha

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread golinux
On 2017-08-16 07:39, Simon Hobson wrote: Also, have a link ready to the analysis someone did showing that in fact "going SystemD" was a minority vote once you look at the options carefully and exclude the ones that didn't really vote for SystemD but were counted as such. Sorry, don't have the

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread Simon Hobson
Edward Bartolo wrote: > Keep in mind that someone from the audience may tell you that > fine control requires the knowledge of complicated shell scripting and > the knowledge of how diverse programs are configured in their > configuration files. Just like Windows, with

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread Lars Noodén
On 08/16/2017 02:34 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: [snip] > I would prepare such a lecture by making a great effort to be as > objective as possible. Therefore, my advice is to stick to facts. [snip] Definitely stay focused exclusively on documented facts. The presentation will be to easy to derail

[DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread Edward Bartolo
Quote: << "Why I Hate systemd" >> Since systemd has been adopted by most distributions, "Hate" is probably going to derail any objective discussion. A better title would be, "Why init freedom offers more flexibility" or something similar. As others said, it is absolutely not wise to use any

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 16/08/17 a les 09:17, Erik Christiansen ha escrit: > On 15.08.17 21:49, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:42:50AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> >>> ..I agree "hate" is a little too loaded and a little too warranted. ;o) >> >> Exactly my point. But it's better to present the

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-16 Thread Narcis Garcia
El 16/08/17 a les 03:49, Hendrik Boom ha escrit: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:42:50AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:27:13 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message >> <20170815012713.ga7...@topoi.pooq.com>: >> >>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote: >>>

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-15 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:42:50AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:27:13 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > <20170815012713.ga7...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd recommend taking a look at this: > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:27:13 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20170815012713.ga7...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote: > > > > > I'd recommend taking a look at this: > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote: > > I'd recommend taking a look at this: > https://www.slideshare.net/opennebula/opennebulaconf2015-112-the-status-of-devuan-project-alberto-zuin The slide "Why I Hate systemd" is likely to derail discussion because of the loaded word

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Jaromil
I also hope you find inspiration from this talk I've given at FSCONS in occasion of our two years anniversary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo I've uploaded here the slides' I've made for the occasion https://transfer.sh/TqJGe/devuan_fscons.odp stats may need some updating. I

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Evilham
Salut Narcís! Good to see you here (we've crossed emails on debian's CA user list). Am 14/08/2017 um 12:59 schrieb Narcis Garcia: > I suggest to put effort on explaining what are and how are init systems > with stages, supervision, freedom, etc. > Sounds like a good idea. > El 14/08/17 a les

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Narcis Garcia
I suggest to put effort on explaining what are and how are init systems with stages, supervision, freedom, etc. El 14/08/17 a les 11:49, Michael Siegel ha escrit: > Am 12.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Evilham: > >>> * Giving a talk of about 30 to 45 minutes and answering questions >>> from the

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-14 Thread Michael Siegel
Am 12.08.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Evilham: >> * Giving a talk of about 30 to 45 minutes and answering questions >> from the audience for another 30 or 15 minutes respectively >> >> * Having a booth in the exhibition area of the building where >> people can come by, inform themselves, ask questions,

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-13 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 12.08.2017 22:16, Evilham wrote: As mentioned on IRC, I'm quite near and could lend a hand; where exactly are you located ? --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-12 Thread Evilham
Thank you for posting it here Michael :). Am 12/08/2017 um 18:52 schrieb Michael Siegel: > There is a pretty big (2500-3000 visitors) Linux/FOSS event taking place > in Chemnitz (Germany) in March. It's called Chemnitzer Linux Tage > (Chemnitz Linux Days) and has been held annually since 1999.

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-12 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 12.08.2017 18:52, Michael Siegel wrote: There is a pretty big (2500-3000 visitors) Linux/FOSS event taking place in Chemnitz (Germany) in March. It's called Chemnitzer Linux Tage (Chemnitz Linux Days) and has been held annually since 1999. The project's website can be found at

[DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

2017-08-12 Thread Michael Siegel
There is a pretty big (2500-3000 visitors) Linux/FOSS event taking place in Chemnitz (Germany) in March. It's called Chemnitzer Linux Tage (Chemnitz Linux Days) and has been held annually since 1999. The project's website can be found at https://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de. The "About Us"