27;t necessarily work all that
well - things like dynamic address assignment don't work all that well
in a server environment (the cause of more than one all-nighter, in the
early days of udev, trying to figure out things like why a server
wouldn't talk to the net, after updgrading a n
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 10:56:22 -0400
Ricardo Larrañaga wrote:
Take a look at the third page and see what Lennart compares systemd to
Since the beginning of this systemd thing, it has been my instinctive feeling that
"We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile".
On
to the authors) Linux will be
compelled to adopt systemd, without any possibility of staying out.
We are the Borg. You will be absorbed. Resistance is futile.
Combines well with the Cuckoo's egg analogy. We are the Borg... here,
could you watch this egg for us..
Clarke Sideroad wrote:
On 02/02/15 08:06, Aldemir Akpinar wrote:
I was going to have a rude reply here until I read this at the bottom:
a new secure boot implementation: this is a work-in-progress, to have
more validation of the boot process that it hasn't been tampered
with. It will integra
How about dental plaque? Love that analogy.
Gravis wrote:
please, let's not include terrorists or their ideologies in our conversations.
--Gravis
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:30 PM, hellekin wrote:
On 02/04/2015 03:03 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Is not ISIL a better analogy?
But no
it taking over your machine" (obviously this
needs work, or we'd it would eliminate things like the kernel, file
system, etc.).
Miles Fidelman
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quot;alt sysreq"
Too few people know that this even exists in Linux.
Too true. I have the magic list written on sticky, underneath my
keyboard - for those eventualities where things go really South on one
of our servers.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference between the
r you get about systemd
compatibility issues is "it's not our problem. We won't fix it". I
also have my personal (conspiracy) theory about why it is like that,
which I am sure you don't want to hear
Don't you mean "we should live WITHOUT it?"
Miles Fi
KatolaZ wrote:
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 03:53:55PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
[cut]
Unfortunately, systemd has been *designed* to be unpluggable, and to
munch as much as possible of the low-level userspace. We should live
with it, especially because the typical answer you get about systemd
Gentoo is another reasonable choice. Or one of the BSDs.
Personally, I'm looking more and more at building our next server update
on either LSF (Linux from Scratch), and using GUIX to generate
replicable packages. Or, migrating to BSD.
Miles Fidelman
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-dependent code in a container or a virtual machine w/
systemd
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Let's not get carried away here. The poll has a rather small sample
size, and probably not representative of the full universe of *nix
users. Then again, distrowatch visitors are probably more knowledgeable
users - and are probably more likely to be looking for a new distribution.
s the government.
Actually, not true. ADA seems to have a major following in the
real-time control systems community, for mission/life-critical systems
like avionics and SCADA. Not surprising, actually - it was designed for
that kind of thing.
Miles Fidelman
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In theory, there is no diffe
ainly easier to install and maintain via apt - but
key production packages, hell no.)
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Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Alexey Rochev wrote
*Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400
*To: *dng
*Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian developers refused to support several init
systems. So
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Alexey Rochev wrote
*Date: *2015-08-05 07:29 -400
*To: *dng
*Subject: *[DNG] Init scripts in packages
Currently Debian packages contains both systemd units and init scripts.
However, Debian
T.J. Duchene wrote:
On 08/07/2015 09:31 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Trivial as in, somebody has to do it. The whole point of packaging
is to automate a lot of the routine things involved in installation.
And, because Debian (and presumeably Devuan) don't put stuff in
default loca
But now we're back into having to have a completely separate package
repository, along with a full set of package maintainers. Sigh.
T.J. Duchene wrote:
You could always lift scripts from Wheezy and use them as a template.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:28 AM, Miles Fidelman
mailto:m
Jaromil wrote:
On 8 August 2015 09:28:42 CEST, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
If, instead, they start removing the sysv scripts, and including
homebrew systemd units - then we're in for a mess of rework.
both me, Franco and other VUAs are literally aiming to a fork, either after
Jessie or Asc
used
to swallow all these years.
on the mid - long term it won't be just systemd to make the
difference between Devuan and Debian.
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015, Miles Fidelman wrote:
But now we get into the question of can Devuan really attract a full
set of package maintainers?
IF what we do
's easy to remove
without breaking anything,
and after installing pm-utils XFCE works perfectly on my computer!
Wait, what
I thought a primary motivation for Devuan was to NOT install systemd by
default.
Miles Fidelman
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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practi
Nextime wrote:
On August 8, 2015 4:12:23 PM CEST, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
Riccardo Boninsegna wrote:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Dave Turner
wrote:
various XFCE irritations for normal people made me do a full debian
jessie install with systemd and all. I s wish I hadn't!
d to a lesser
or greater degree automatically displaying message threads and/or
putting list mail into folders
If you're not happy with the gmail web interface, I'd suggest playing
with different clients that can support "IMAP" access to your mailbox
Miles Fidelman
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In
y, it's been a long time since I've seen any system that takes
more than 30 seconds to boot.
Boot time better NOT be critical for high availability situations. Any
reasonable systems designer uses hot sparing & failover to achieve high
uptime. Everything had better already b
zen servers on three continents, providing a
user-facing service, using something like zk or etcd to coordinate the
servers.
Not for nothing, but if you're coordinating distributed servers, your
system design is WAY too closely coupled if boot time effects anything.
Miles Fidelman
On 11/7/15 12:47 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Not for nothing, but if you're coordinating distributed servers, your
system design is WAY too closely coupled if boot time effects anything.
Boot time is just a kind of downtime. If downtime lasts too long, the
h
#x27;s a mark of distinction, and a
credential that's jealously guarded. (I'm also 61, and just remember,
60 is the new 40. Never had a problem getting hired - as I say,
greybeard is a respected credential.)
Miles Fidelman
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In theory, there is no difference between theory and
Somehow, I think this is something we need to be concerned about for
Devuan; but that also seems of concern to the broader Linux (and Unix?)
ecosystem.
Comments, thoughts?
Miles Fidelman
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In practice, there is. Yogi Berra
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Follow-on question at the bottom
On 12/31/15 3:10 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
I guess I'm an "upstream", being the originator of the VimOutliner
project (probably a few thousand users), the UMENU project (probably
about 10 users), the Amounter project (2 confirmed users), and several
less-used pie
On 12/31/15 2:05 PM, Simon Hobson wrote:
Mitt Green wrote:
I reckon as long as his Fedora boots, he doesn't care.
I think that's the key reason.
Linus is concerned with the kernel - and while I suspect he has personal preferences about what is
run on top of that, he's "detached" enough to
Yup - COBOL is a really good niche market for programmers.
On 8/3/16 3:50 PM, Simon Hobson wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
At first I almost vomited when reading this sentence:
The Social Security Administration, for instance, has more than 60
milli
e of the key perpetrators of systemd.
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On 3/14/17 9:05 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
On 03/15/2017 12:00 AM, メット wrote:
On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
on it please.
sense of
the world.
Anybody have a better sense of where things are going.
Miles Fidelman
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he area, but I'm currently in AZ for an extended
period, helping my 96-year-old Dad settle into a new house - not sure if
I'll be back in time.
Hopefully someone from the Devuan team will be there, and can organize
something.
Miles Fidelman
--
In theory, there is no difference betw
Hi Folks,
I didn't see any reaction to this - which makes me wonder.. is anybody
here going to libreplanet? For that matter, is anybody in the Greater
Boston area?
forwarded message
Author: Miles Fidelman
Date: 2017-03-15 21:49 -700
To: dng
Subject: Re: [DNG] We ne
G-compliant means that the terms of a license meet a specific set of
criteria set by the Debian Project - which later became the basis for
certification by the Open Source Initiative. It happens that they
pretty much define FOSS (Free AND Open Source).
Miles Fidelman
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On 4/25/17 9:03 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 08:27:16PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Free Software means just that: You don't have to pay anything to use it.
There's all kinds of stuff out there where object code is free to download
and use, but source is not
mail list, at the annual
conference, etc.
It might also be of interest to Eric Raymond (Cathedral & The Bazaar).
It might be time to make systemd-free a "campaign" (in the same sense as
"anybrowser").
Miles Fidelman
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In theory, there is no difference between theory
slight addition at the end
On 7/10/17 4:07 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
On 7/10/17 3:23 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 01:53:09PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2017 10 Jul 12:45 -0500, mdn wrote:
Le 10/07/2017 19:29, zap a écrit :
I hope linus does something about it. I Really
On 7/10/17 4:17 PM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 04:07:48PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
[cut]
Systemd may be free, but it's approach to agglomerating function after
function, and becoming a requirement for more and more other software - is
an affront to software freedom.
On 7/10/17 4:37 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2017-07-10 15:25, Miles Fidelman wrote:
We are the community. We need to act for ourselves.
So far, that's not working all that well.
Miles Fidelman
Miles, I just have to ask If you think think it's not working too
well who i
On 7/11/17 7:55 AM, Simon Hobson wrote:
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote:
We don't need to fight anything. Just concentrate on the stuff *we*
need (seriously, does anybobdy here need gnome3 ?) and patch out the
crap when neccessary.
And just not caring about that lennartware crap at
e:
1. An actual technical overview, including a definition of terms.
2. A comparison chart listing all of the various supervisors available.
As it is, it's just a waste of time.
Miles Fidelman
On 8/8/17 9:02 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
I had a look at the text and was not impressed at
It's a joke, son.
On 10/29/18 6:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the
wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will
affect community based Linux and everyone who jumped on the systemd
bandwagon:
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There's also Sieve. Not a drop-in replacement to procmail, but pretty
powerful.
On 12/12/18 5:08 PM, Joel Roth via Dng wrote:
Jim Jackson wrote:
Just an aside - what are the alternatives to procmail?
so far I've only found _maildrop_ as an in-line delivery filter.
I filter my incoming mail
dly don't honor DMARC p=reject
on incoming mail.)
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On 12/27/18 11:07 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Miles Fidelman (mfidel...@meetinghouse.net):
Speaking as someone who hosts a couple of dozen email lists, I
really don't understand what the fuss is about here.
The fuss involved people having paid no attention to the announcement of
Dng&#x
P and all that.)
We could learn from the way the aerospace industry responds to plane
crashes, though. And, maybe, trash "agile" and go back to design
processes that got us to the Moon (you know, serious, step-by-step,
design, document, review, test).
Miles Fidelman
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In theory
Nice!
Any chance of postings presentation slides as well as videos?
Miles Fidelman
On 4/11/19 2:16 PM, Jaromil wrote:
dear dng'ers
all those of you who weren't there: you were missed!
this is a first report about our first conference
https://www.dyne.org/the-first-devuan-confere
On 5/23/19 7:52 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
Radicale does look good.
The one thing I haven't found is sync with Google calendar. It's
mentioned over and over that Google doesn't talk CalDAV.
Talk about "not doing evil."
They USED to talk CalDAV. Mi
ive's lights flash a lot
(if the drive has a light).
Miles Fidelman
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