Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

Enrico Weigelt: > On 01.07.2016 12:13, Adam Borowski wrote: ... > > There's a bug in evdev: normally, when a process listens to cooked events > > (keyboard, etc), they get delivered only when the right VT is active. Not > > so much with raw events: once a process gets hold of such a device, it

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On 01.07.2016 12:13, Adam Borowski wrote: > Turns out this remark was important: some more clue here would be nice. > Tobias Hunger just shown me a nasty issue (he's banned from dng). Why is he banned ? > There's a bug in evdev: normally, when a process listens to cooked events > (keyboard,

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 06:00:03AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 09:09:17PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult > wrote: > > Does anyone know what these pieces of code *actually* do ? > > As no one more knowledgeable responded, here's my understanding: Turns out this

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On 28.01.2016 17:16, Adam Borowski wrote: Does anyone know what these pieces of code *actually* do ? --mtx -- mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consulting +49-151-27565287 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On 29/01/16 23:07, richard lucassen wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 + > I'm very pleased to see that someone is building a libsystemdfree > xorg. > But what about security updates? We will track debians security updates and where an update to a package that we maintain comes out, we

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

> From: Clarke Sideroad <clarke.sider...@gmail.com> > To: "dng@lists.dyne.org" <dng@lists.dyne.org> > Subject: Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires > libsystemd0 > Message-ID: <56ac51e1.6020...@gmail.com> > Content-Ty

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:46:20 + KatolaZ wrote: > And what is exactly your plan to have Devuan somehow merged "into > Debian", given that any attempt to criticise, even in a constructive > manner, any systemd-related stuff is immediately labelled as > "trolling" in

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 01:21:07PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > richard lucassen writes: > > Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > >> > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and > >> > this marks another stage of being unable

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 02:45:34PM +0100, richard lucassen wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:46:20 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > And what is exactly your plan to have Devuan somehow merged "into > > Debian", given that any attempt to criticise, even in a constructive > >

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 09:15:18AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:16:04PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > I just uploaded deinfested xserver-xorg packages, but I don't have the time > > right now to test on diverse setups. All I tested is my home desktop, with > > nvidia

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:16:04PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: > > Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without > > libsystemd0? > > libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:09:53 -0500 Hendrik Boom wrote: > There are many Debian developers who maintain packages that have > nothing to do with systemd, and who do not entangle their packages > with systemd. They may not be working for systemd specifically, but > they

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:07:42 +0100, richard wrote in message <20160129110742.d8df6c714fb85bdb6e197...@lucassen.org>: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > >> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to > > >> systemd

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

richard lucassen wrote: > I'm very pleased to see that someone is building a libsystemdfree xorg. > But what about security updates? And what about future versions? Who is > going to do that? What about the robustness of Devuan? Don't get me > wrong, I really like the

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:23:14 -0300 Marlon Nunes wrote: > This was already discussed, Devuan is a new project with their own > ideas. Please look at the mailing list archives. The Devuan is moving > forward to put in practice their own ideas. So forget about Debian. I

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

This was already discussed, Devuan is a new project with their own ideas. Please look at the mailing list archives. The Devuan is moving forward to put in practice their own ideas. So forget about Debian. On 2016-01-29 07:07, richard lucassen wrote: On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 + Rainer

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:16:42PM +0100, richard lucassen wrote: [cut] > > I think Devuan will be much more succesfull as a part of Debian than as > a stand alone distro. We will be number 2067 on the list of > "NeverHeardOf" distro's. The time ROI is very low if Devuan is staying > alone

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

Hi Adam, On 29/01/16 05:16, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: >> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without >> libsystemd0? > > libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as it > actually

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd > >> that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name. > > > > Ah, I didn't know that. Thnx :) > > Considering that

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

Hendrik Boom writes: [...] >> Until Debian formally ejects it's non-Linux sub-projects, any such >> attempts are restricted to being more-or-less elaborate nuisances >> created by people with too much time on their hands. > > Do you mean "ejects its non-systemd

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

richard lucassen writes: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:54:22 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> >> The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd >> >> that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name.

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 03:36:42PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: [cut] > > Conspiracy theory for general entertainment: At some point in time, the > usual suspects will start making noises about how badly the (pitiful) > state of the Hurd and FreeBSD ports reflect "on Debian" and/or how much >

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:05:15 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Devuan's unique. There are several sans-systemd alternatives, but > Devuan is the only one I would recommend to someone not intimately > familiar with the internals of Linux and POSIX. My preceding assertion is

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:08:15PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > I believe your conspiracy theory is not too far from reality, > indeed. As a matter of fact, the support for the FreeBSD port has > never been official Incorrect, kfreebsd _was_ an official supported architecture, in squeeze and wheezy.

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:12:12 + Simon Hobson wrote: > > I fear many people won't agree with me, but I think it's better to > > cooperate with Debian than to fight Debian. Peace is always my default policy, but what if those you cooperate with have a pattern and

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

richard lucassen wrote: > I'd rather go for a, like Tobias suggested, a libsystemd telling > the package that is linked against, that it runs on a non-systemd > system. > But maybe that solution is too simple, clear and wrong. I think it's a *possible* solution and

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

richard lucassen writes: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:09:53 -0500 Hendrik Boom > wrote: [...] > A thing that remains, as you pointed out in your other post: was > systemd inserted by Debian or by the original developers? That's another question

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:41:05 +0100, richard wrote in message <20160129154105.527b4f678a0b1d58ea7af...@lucassen.org>: > And yes, there is "systemd" in the name. Sorry for that ;-) ..the important thing is what it does when it strikes, not its name, nor what it pretends to do in the mean time.

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

Adam Borowski wrote on 29/01/16 02:46: On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without libsystemd0? ... I just uploaded deinfested xserver-xorg packages, but I don't have the time right now to test on

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: > Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without > libsystemd0? libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as it actually breaks things if systemd is absent. On the other hand,

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

Adam Borowski writes: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote: >> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without >> libsystemd0? > > libsystemd0 is benign. libsystemd0 is a library implementation of (some parts of) the systemd

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:17:37 +0100 Tobias Hunger wrote: > Actually libsystemd0 is a compatibility library: It does whatever the > user wanted it to do if systemd is up and running and falls back to > doing nothing if systemd is not in use. It was written to allow >

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

Le 28/01/2016 18:11, richard lucassen a écrit : The issue is that many people in devuan are so allergic to systemd >that they will not tolerate a library with that string in its name. You might as well write paranoid instead of allergic. Because many on this list expect that libsystemd0

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

richard lucassen writes: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:17:37 +0100 > Tobias Hunger wrote: > >> Actually libsystemd0 is a compatibility library: It does whatever the >> user wanted it to do if systemd is up and running and falls back to >> doing

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 00:34:02 +1300 Daniel Reurich wrote: > > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and > > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in > > Debian. > > Not yet, but it's noted and I'll work on that next week

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

richard lucassen writes: > Daniel Reurich wrote: > >> > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and >> > this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in >> > Debian. >> >> Not yet, but it's noted and I'll

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

Daniel Reurich wrote on 28/01/16 22:04: On 29/01/16 00:03, Arthur Marsh wrote: Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without libsystemd0? I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in

Re: [DNG] xserver-xorg-core in Debian unstable now requires libsystemd0

On 29/01/16 00:03, Arthur Marsh wrote: > Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without > libsystemd0? > > I'm still running Debian but with the angband.pl repositories and this > marks another stage of being unable to avoid libsystemd0 in Debian. > > Arthur. Not yet,