Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-13 Thread Lanlan Pan
Christian Huitema 于2018年4月10日周二 上午2:44写道: > On 4/9/2018 11:00 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:53 PM Christian Huitema > wrote: > >> At first sight, it seems that this moves the logging hole from the DNS >> recursive to the ODNS

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-10 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:05 AM, Tony Finch wrote: > Willem Toorop wrote: > > > > ODNS queries could be nested. I.e. > > > > {{{www.foo.bar}k.odns.google.com}k.odns.quad9.net}k.odns.cloudflare.com > > OnionDNS :-) > Yeah, that would make it look

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-10 Thread Tony Finch
Willem Toorop wrote: > > ODNS queries could be nested. I.e. > > {{{www.foo.bar}k.odns.google.com}k.odns.quad9.net}k.odns.cloudflare.com OnionDNS :-) Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finch http://dotat.at/ West Fitzroy: Northwesterly 7 to severe gale 9, veering

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-10 Thread Willem Toorop
Op 09-04-18 om 20:16 schreef Bill Woodcock: >> On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: >> The ODNS server can still easily collude with recursive server operators to >> unmask the clients though, so I'm not sure how much privacy we've really >> gained. At some point,

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Hugo Connery
Hi, Many interesting points, and +1 to "Yes, please clarify your threat modeling in the i-d which you develop". ODNS looks interesting, and the more ideas in the pot the better. However, lets not forget that we've just "approved" the re-charter. As I said, years ago, without attacking the

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: > On 4/9/2018 11:00 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:53 PM Christian Huitema > wrote: >> >> At first sight, it seems that this moves the logging hole from the DNS >> recursive

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > > > On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: > > The ODNS server can still easily collude with recursive server operators > to unmask the clients though, so I'm not sure how much privacy we've

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Shumon Huque wrote: > The ODNS server can still easily collude with recursive server operators to > unmask the clients though, so I'm not sure how much privacy we've really > gained. At some point, it may be reasonable to ask why aren't clients

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:53 PM Christian Huitema wrote: > At first sight, it seems that this moves the logging hole from the DNS > recursive to the ODNS recursive, and that's a meh. > > Also, instead of using a complicated tunneling through the recursive > resolver via name

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: > At first sight, it seems that this moves the logging hole from the DNS > recursive to the ODNS recursive, and that's a meh. > > Also, instead of using a complicated tunneling through the recursive > resolver via name

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Christian Huitema
At first sight, it seems that this moves the logging hole from the DNS recursive to the ODNS recursive, and that's a meh. Also, instead of using a complicated tunneling through the recursive resolver via name obfuscation, why not establish a secure connection to the ODNS server in the first

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Allison Mankin
Annie, Nick and Paul all plan to be at the Hackathon and the IETF in Montreal. This is work I'm also involved in, and we are working on an i-d for DPRIVE, to come soon. Allison On 9 April 2018 at 18:20, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > hey DPRIVE folks-- > > People on this

Re: [dns-privacy] Oblivious DNS

2018-04-09 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Mon 2018-04-09 13:20:28 -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > People on this list might be interested in the recent "Oblivious DNS" > work from Annie Edmundson, Paul Schmitt, and Nick Feamster gah, i left off Jennifer Rexford from the list of researchers -- no slight was intended by the