Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

Brian, > On 08/17/2022 7:56 PM EDT Brian Dickson wrote: > > (Dots between and after names are moot and meaningless, only relevant in the > “presentation” format. The specification _is_ in the presentation format so those dots and their location are relevant here. Thank you for

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

Brian Dickson wrote on 2022-08-17 16:56: On Aug 17, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: ... More importantly this proposal now sounds like an non-DNS un-restricted naming scope which puts it out the DNSOP charter right? It is the boundary between DNS and non-DNS, both

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: > >  >>> On 08/17/2022 2:14 PM EDT Paul Hoffman wrote: >>> >>> The Intro says" the rightmost label, to signify that the name is NOT rooted >>> in the DNS, and that it should NOT be resolved using the DNS protocol.

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

Ray Bellis wrote on 2022-08-17 08:01: On 17/08/2022 15:56, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: ... I believe the intention was that the DNSSEC nsec records in the root zone would deny that .alt exists, helping to enforce separation from the "DNS protocol namespace" and anything under .alt. +1.

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

> On 08/17/2022 3:24 PM EDT Paul Hoffman wrote: > > > The last bullet in feels like > this draft is part of the DNSOP charter. That's why the WG adopted the draft > and it made it to WG Last Call. I read that as the second sentence of #6 is

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

> On Aug 17, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: > > >> On 08/17/2022 2:14 PM EDT Paul Hoffman wrote: >> >>> The Intro says" the rightmost label, to signify that the name is NOT rooted >>> in the DNS, and that it should NOT be resolved using the DNS protocol. >>> Isn't that a new

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

> On 08/17/2022 2:14 PM EDT Paul Hoffman wrote: > > > The Intro says" the rightmost label, to signify that the name is NOT rooted > > in the DNS, and that it should NOT be resolved using the DNS protocol. > > Isn't that a new root called Alt? > > It might or might not be, depending on what

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

On Aug 17, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: > The Abstract says "a TLD label in non-DNS contexts". > Non-dns is outside the root right? Pedantic use of terminology is kinda important here. In this case, a name that ends in ".alt" is never part of the global DNS because .alt will not

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

On 8/17/22 10:20, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Aug 17, 2022, at 6:19 AM, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: Are you proposing dot Alt, or are you proposing dot Alt dot.? Please see , the draft in question. It has already gone through WG Last

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

On 17/08/2022 15:56, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: But this part is super-genius "These ".alt" names are defined by protocol specification to be nonexistent" I had no idea you could specify non-existance. I'm going to have to try that! I believe the intention was that the DNSSEC nsec records

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

Paul, The Abstract says "a TLD label in non-DNS contexts". Non-dns is outside the root right? The Intro says" the rightmost label, to signify that the name is NOT rooted in the DNS, and that it should NOT be resolved using the DNS protocol. Isn't that a new root called Alt? Maybe it was the

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

On 17.08.22 16:20, Paul Hoffman wrote: The discussion with the Independent Submissions Editor appears to be about whether they are interested in using a TLD that would different TLD or pseudo-TLD in order to make their naming system more stable. The authors of draft-schanzen-gns have shown

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

On Aug 17, 2022, at 6:19 AM, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: > Are you proposing dot Alt, or are you proposing dot Alt dot.? Please see , the draft in question. It has already gone through WG Last Call, but has been held there for

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

On Aug 13, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > I've no particular fondness for .alt, nor do I know if > the GNU people could live with gnu.alt but I think the > IETF (and not ICANN) really ought be able to, and should, > carve out something like .alt for folk who want to not > use the DNS

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

Paul Hoffman wrote on 2022-08-13 15:42: On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:32 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: i suggest that we adopt the technology "domain names (which is a concept that precedes DNS itself)" whenever we are trying to talk about the name space as distinct from the protocol. The term

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] On ALT-TLD, GNS, and namespaces...

On Aug 13, 2022, at 3:32 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: > i suggest that we adopt the technology "domain names (which is a concept that > precedes DNS itself)" whenever we are trying to talk about the name space as > distinct from the protocol. > The term "domain name" is already defined in RFC 8499.