Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-27 Thread Ray Bellis
On 23/08/2019 22:39, Joe Abley wrote: People have always been able to anchor their non-DNS naming schemes to domain names they control in the DNS as a way to avoid collisions, and nobody has seemed to think that's a good idea. Is it more likely that someone would anchor their ARTICHOKE

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-26 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 26, 2019, at 6:03 AM, Vittorio Bertola wrote: > This is also why not having a registry under .alt makes sense. Having one > would make .alt second-level domains almost a functional duplicate of special > use TLDs, raising the bar to get them and making special use TLDs only better > in

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-26 Thread Vittorio Bertola
> Il 24 agosto 2019 00:35 Warren Kumari ha scritto: > > There was also some discussions with Jacob (or perhaps Alec) saying > that if this had existed when they started, they probably would have > used onion.alt instead of .onion. > > Whether or not people would *actually* have used it is

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Christian Huitema
On 8/23/2019 2:18 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > [ No hats!] > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 2:29 PM John Levine wrote: >>> So it would be helpful to know if you think the recommendations are in fact >>> reasonable. >> I think they're reasonable but I would more clearly distinguish cases >> by where

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread John R Levine
2. Names handled through mutant DNS which can returns IP addresses (.local, .localhost, .homenet/.home.arpa) I think it's clear that nobody has ever shown signs of wanting to anchor anything like this under .ARPA if it's a name that a user might ever have to see. The reason we might imagine

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread John R Levine
I don't mean to channel Warren (it's unnecessary because even when he's asleep he's still reading mail) but I think the whole point of the ALT proposal is not to have a registry. A registry attracts policy and dispute resolution; an informal, decentralised understanding that anything goes,

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 23, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > There was also some discussions with Jacob (or perhaps Alec) saying > that if this had existed when they started, they probably would have > used onion.alt instead of .onion. This wouldn’t have solved the problem. Remember that the driving

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Rob Sayre
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 3:20 PM Joe Abley wrote: > > Anybody who was currently harbouring plans to apply for ALT in some future > round of new gTLD applications would therefore presumably feel harmed by a > decision to make it impossible for those plans to be executed. > That is a very clear

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Warren Kumari
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:39 PM Joe Abley wrote: > > Hi Warren, > > On 23 Aug 2019, at 17:18, Warren Kumari wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 2:29 PM John Levine wrote: > >> > >>> So it would be helpful to know if you think the recommendations are in > >>> fact reasonable. > >> > >> I think

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 23 Aug 2019, at 18:07, Rob Sayre wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:40 PM Joe Abley wrote: > >> I have never been very excited about your ALT proposal. However, I don't >> think it will do any harm beyond thwarting any secret plans anybody might >> have... > > What exactly do you mean?

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Ted, On 23 Aug 2019, at 18:05, Ted Lemon wrote: > I haven’t read the latest version in a few weeks, and I must have missed the > part about the “alt” TLD. (Actually, I just checked, and my memory was > correct—it isn’t there.) Warren is talking about a different document. > My problem

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Rob Sayre
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 2:40 PM Joe Abley wrote: > > I have never been very excited about your ALT proposal. However, I don't > think it will do any harm beyond thwarting any secret plans anybody might > have... What exactly do you mean? thanks, Rob

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Ted Lemon
I haven’t read the latest version in a few weeks, and I must have missed the part about the “alt” TLD. (Actually, I just checked, and my memory was correct—it isn’t there.) My problem with the “alt” TLD as originally proposed was that there was no registry. I think this is nearly useless.

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 18 Aug 2019, at 14:29, John Levine wrote: [...] > 2. Names handled through mutant DNS which can returns IP addresses (.local, > .localhost, .homenet/.home.arpa) [...] > For 2, we seem to agree that future reservations, if any, will go under .arpa. I think I know what you're getting out

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Warren, On 23 Aug 2019, at 17:18, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 2:29 PM John Levine wrote: >> >>> So it would be helpful to know if you think the recommendations are in fact >>> reasonable. >> >> I think they're reasonable but I would more clearly distinguish cases >> by

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-23 Thread Warren Kumari
[ No hats!] On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 2:29 PM John Levine wrote: > > >So it would be helpful to know if you think the recommendations are in fact > >reasonable. > > I think they're reasonable but I would more clearly distinguish cases > by where the protocol switch is, where I think these are the

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-18 Thread John Levine
>So it would be helpful to know if you think the recommendations are in fact >reasonable. I think they're reasonable but I would more clearly distinguish cases by where the protocol switch is, where I think these are the interesting ones: 1. Names handled totally unlike the DNS with nothing

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-12 Thread Suzanne Woolf
(Draft author hat here, not WG chair) > On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:36 AM, John Levine wrote: > > In article > you > write: >> Thank you Paul. >> >> As an incentive to everyone else -- there is an Easter Egg hidden in >> this document: if you judiciously choose letters from the text (and >>

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-10 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Thank you Paul. > >As an incentive to everyone else -- there is an Easter Egg hidden in >this document: if you judiciously choose letters from the text (and >reorder them) you can create a very rude word. I think that like everyone else I've read it, but I'm not sure

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Harold
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 3:44 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > Hi there, > > It's time again for everyone's favorite topic -- Special Use Domain Names! > > Back in October 2015 the IETF approved RFC7686 - 'The ".onion" > Special-Use Domain Name' -- those who were involved no doubt remember > that it was

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-09 Thread Warren Kumari
Thank you Paul. As an incentive to everyone else -- there is an Easter Egg hidden in this document: if you judiciously choose letters from the text (and reorder them) you can create a very rude word. W P.S: Hey, it's worth a try! On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:31 PM Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Tue,

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-06 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019, Warren Kumari wrote: [0]: There is lore that the IESG actually halted reservations under the 6761 process, but that doesn't seem to be the case, or, if it is, I cannot find a reference; if there is anything saying so, can someone please send a link? If this refers to my