Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
On 02.08.22 10:35, Joe Abley wrote: Had I wanted to do so, I would not have approached dnsop in the first place. Had you wanted to which? I'm confused. I came to this group because of concerns that Warren raised, and because the draft sits before me.  I have reviewed what discussion I

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Vladimír Čunát
Interesting bit: the current -gns draft even uses the .pet TLD in an example, which is a TLD that actually exists in the official global DNS.___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Martin Schanzenbach
Hi, Excerpts from Peter Thomassen's message of 2022-08-01 16:57:45 -0400: > > On 8/1/22 12:01, Paul Vixie wrote: > >> > >> I agree and I think publication of these drafts would be a good idea > >> (may be with status Experimental since, as Joe Abley said, there is > >> clearly no IETF

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Eliot, On Aug 2, 2022, at 07:59, Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) wrote: > But what is not reasonable to expect researchers to attempt to enter the > ICANN arena in order to facilitate a the safe use of a new naming system that > doesn't require use of the DNS. This argument

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Joe Abley
On Aug 2, 2022, at 10:26, Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) wrote: > On 02.08.22 09:56, Joe Abley wrote: >> >> If the position of the ISE is to ignore the prior discussion and publish one >> set of opinions regardless then perhaps it would be more straightforward >> just to say so.

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Martin Schanzenbach
This is not an oversight (altough I have to admin it did not occur to me that this a valid DNS TLD at the time of writing). You can see in Section 7.1 that we also use "www.example.org" in the draft. We address the namespace topic in Section 9.9. As mentioned, the draft currently goes all-in with

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
Aaaagain On 02.08.22 09:56, Joe Abley wrote: If the position of the ISE is to ignore the prior discussion and publish one set of opinions regardless then perhaps it would be more straightforward just to say so. Had I wanted to do so, I would not have approached dnsop in the first

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Working Group Last Call for aft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp

2022-08-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 2, 2022, at 7:57 AM, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > > Hello. > > This line is misleading, I believe: > > >> - RFC8198 describes how a validating resolver can emit fewer queries in >> signed zones that >> use NSEC for negative caching. > > That RFC describes aggressive caching also for

[DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7065)

2022-08-02 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7065

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Geoff Huston
> On 2 Aug 2022, at 2:15 am, Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) > wrote: > > > On 02.08.22 10:35, Joe Abley wrote: >> >>> Had I wanted to do so, I would not have approached dnsop in the first place. >> Had you wanted to which? I'm confused. > > I came to this group because of

[DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7068)

2022-08-02 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7068

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for aft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp

2022-08-02 Thread Vladimír Čunát
Hello. This line is misleading, I believe: - RFC8198 describes how a validating resolver can emit fewer queries in signed zones that use NSEC for negative caching. That RFC describes aggressive caching also for NSEC3 and (positive) wildcards.  (Of course, opt-out NSEC3 records are

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 02/08/2022 13.53, Martin Schanzenbach wrote: This is not an oversight (altough I have to admin it did not occur to me that this a valid DNS TLD at the time of writing). [...] Oh, I understood that this DNSOP thread - notably the first post - originated as an attempt to reduce collisions

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 2. Aug 2022, at 14:39, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > > On 02/08/2022 13.53, Martin Schanzenbach wrote: >> This is not an oversight (altough I have to admin it did not occur to me >> that this a valid DNS TLD at the time of writing). [...] >> > Oh, I understood that this DNSOP thread - notably

[DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7064)

2022-08-02 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7064

[DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7066)

2022-08-02 Thread RFC Errata System
The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7066

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
The ISE started this thread with a discussion that included "Whether that means using TLD labels that begin with _ or whether that means suffixing them with ".ALT", I leave to you experts to sort." There is another forthcoming option that could be used in draft-schanzen-gns, namely the

Re: [DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7064)

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine
This looks correct to me. The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report below and at:

Re: [DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7067)

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine
This should also be RFC 7553 since SCTP is a transport. On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, RFC Errata System wrote: The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves".

Re: [DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7065)

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine
This looks correct, too. On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, RFC Errata System wrote: The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On Aug 2, 2022, at 8:00 AM, Geoff Huston wrote: >> I came to this group because of concerns that Warren raised, and because the >> draft sits before me. I have reviewed what discussion I could find in the >> logs relating to Warren's draft, which amounts to either (a) this is ICANN's >>

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Working Group Last Call for aft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp

2022-08-02 Thread Edward Lewis
On 8/2/22, 11:02 AM, "DNSOP on behalf of Paul Hoffman" wrote: >I would rather mention NSEC/NSEC3 so the reader gets an idea for the mechanism >in RFC 8198. I left off NSEC3 because I thought that basically all use of >NSEC3 was with opt-out, but if I'm wrong, I could put it in the text. Just

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Disclaimer: I work for the Internet Society but I am not speaking for them. On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 07:11:38PM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: recommends that the ICANN board to pick a string that will never be put into the DNS root, and thus is usable for systems like GNS. This was, of course,

Re: [DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7065)

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine
This also looke correct. On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, RFC Errata System wrote: The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Martin Schanzenbach
I just read it and on page 5 it specifically excludes .onion and .gnu as those do not use the DNS protocol (citing also the alt draft here). So this is equivalent to the .alt draft only if the private-use TLD is not limited to private-use DNS queries as investigated in the document. I find this to

Re: [DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7066)

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine
I believe the correct reference is RFC 7553, where section 4.1 says the name of a URI record is _service._transport, just like SRV, and DCCP is a transport. On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, RFC Errata System wrote: The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine
On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 07:11:38PM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: recommends that the ICANN board to pick a string that will never be put into the DNS root, and thus is usable for systems like GNS. This was, of course, the whole point of the .alt draft in the first place, at least when I was

Re: [DNSOP] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8552 (7068)

2022-08-02 Thread John R. Levine
Again RFC 7553 since they're transportts. The following errata report has been submitted for RFC8552, "Scoped Interpretation of DNS Resource Records through "Underscored" Naming of Attribute Leaves". -- You may review the report below and at:

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Working Group Last Call for aft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp

2022-08-02 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 2, 2022, at 1:29 PM, Edward Lewis wrote: > > On 8/2/22, 11:02 AM, "DNSOP on behalf of Paul Hoffman" > wrote: >> I would rather mention NSEC/NSEC3 so the reader gets an idea for the >> mechanism in RFC 8198. I left off NSEC3 because I thought that basically all >> use of NSEC3 was with

Re: [DNSOP] draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

2022-08-02 Thread Paul Vixie
John Levine wrote on 2022-08-01 15:22: It appears that Paul Vixie said: i'm particularly interested in whether the root zone should have an NS for the private-label tld(s) (.alt or ._alt or whatever) with an NS of "localhost" and a dnssec "opt out" indicator so that these private tlds can