Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-03 Thread David Conrad
Patrik, Also note that there are ccTLDs allocated for codes that are not registered in ISO3166 (UK, EU etc). IIUC these two are on the 3166 list as exceptionally reserved codes. Yes, but not REGISTERED, and that difference is something that created more than just a little bit of

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-03 Thread David Conrad
Hi, From the point of view of the DNS, there is no difference between a ccTLD and a gTLD. This distinction is relevant only for policies. Not quite true. From the perspective of the protocol, a TLD is a TLD. From the point of view of the system, a ccTLD is different than a gTLD, e.g., the

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-03 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 4 May 2015, at 3:22, David Conrad wrote: Patrik, Also note that there are ccTLDs allocated for codes that are not registered in ISO3166 (UK, EU etc). IIUC these two are on the 3166 list as exceptionally reserved codes. Yes, but not REGISTERED, and that difference is something that

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-02 Thread manning
again, this is where the document tries to cover terminology for both the DNS protocol and the DNS policy/operations (as seen through the lens of today). I don’t see any reason to define anything other than TLD. manning bmann...@karoshi.com PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 30 Apr 2015, at 16:40, George Michaelson wrote: economy and economycode is a useful concept sometimes. it avoids the CN/TW issue. and encompasses HK. state or territory can be useful. covers some of the intermediate things. eg much of the CIS is a 'transitional state' according to the

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
On May 1, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Marc Blanchet marc.blanc...@viagenie.ca wrote: From the point of view of the DNS, there is no difference between a ccTLD and a gTLD. This distinction is relevant only for policies. right. I completly agree and I was going to write almost the same thing. suggest

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Marc Blanchet
Le 2015-05-01 à 15:27, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org a écrit : On May 1, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Marc Blanchet marc.blanc...@viagenie.ca wrote: From the point of view of the DNS, there is no difference between a ccTLD and a gTLD. This distinction is relevant only for policies. right. I

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 09:31:11AM +0200, Patrik Fältström p...@frobbit.se wrote a message of 189 lines which said: Suggested new text: ccTLD -- A TLD that is allocated to distinct economies. Historically, these were two-letter TLDs, and were allocated to economies using the two letter

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Marc Blanchet
Le 2015-05-01 à 14:47, Stephane Bortzmeyer bortzme...@nic.fr a écrit : On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 09:31:11AM +0200, Patrik Fältström p...@frobbit.se wrote a message of 189 lines which said: Suggested new text: ccTLD -- A TLD that is allocated to distinct economies. Historically, these

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Jim Reid
On 1 May 2015, at 08:31, Patrik Fältström p...@frobbit.se wrote: Also note that there are ccTLDs allocated for codes that are not registered in ISO3166 (UK, EU etc). IIUC these two are on the 3166 list as exceptionally reserved codes. Suggested new text: ccTLD -- A TLD that is allocated

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 30 Apr 2015, at 18:34, Kim Davies wrote: If an allusion to the purpose is useful, then: A TLD that is allocated for use based on an entry in the ISO 3166-1 standard [ISO 3166-1]. The ISO 3166 standard provides codings of countries and their subdivisions. A TLD that is allocated for use

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 1 May 2015, at 12:00, Jim Reid wrote: On 1 May 2015, at 08:31, Patrik Fältström p...@frobbit.se wrote: Also note that there are ccTLDs allocated for codes that are not registered in ISO3166 (UK, EU etc). IIUC these two are on the 3166 list as exceptionally reserved codes. Yes, but not

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-05-01 Thread Paul Vixie
Tony Finch wrote: Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: NXDOMAIN -- A colloquial expression for RCODE 3, also commonly written as 'NXDomain' or 'Non-Existent Domain' NXDOMAIN etc. are not colloquialisms, they come from the 4.3BSD resolver API. (Spelling them in lower case is weird if not

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-30 Thread Kim Davies
Quoting Andrew Sullivan on Thursday April 30, 2015: | | Country is a loaded term. I don't have a better suggestion in mind but | there are many instances where a ccTLD is a territory, etc. I don't mean | to open a rathole, just point this out. | | If we changed this to say, A TLD that is

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 04:34:15PM +, Kim Davies wrote: Also note that not all ccTLDs are two-letter codes pulled from the standard. With the advent of IDN ccTLDs, the domain itself is not derived from the ISO 3166-1 standard, only whether a particular geographic entity has standing to

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: First off - thanks for writing this. I personally *hate* writing terminology sections in drafts; that someone is willing to write an entire terminology draft, especially one on DNS fills me with awe... Anyway, Section 3:

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Edward Lewis
Somewhere I saw domaine in the doc - can't find it now - and that started me trying to mark this up. (I hadn't read the document in full before, so this is a first review for me.) On 4/29/15, 14:13, internet-dra...@ietf.org internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Warren Kumari
First off - thanks for writing this. I personally *hate* writing terminology sections in drafts; that someone is willing to write an entire terminology draft, especially one on DNS fills me with awe... Anyway, Section 3: Some of response codes that are defined in [RFC1035] have gotten their

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
Thanks for the comments. On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Edward Lewis edward.le...@icann.org wrote: Somewhere I saw domaine in the doc - can't find it now - and that started me trying to mark this up. (I hadn't read the document in full before, so this is a first review for me.) sigh Found it.

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : DNS Terminology Authors : Paul Hoffman Andrew Sullivan

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 29, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Jaap Akkerhuis j...@nlnetlabs.nl wrote: Paul Hoffman writes: Country is a term of art in politics. There are definitions that most people agree to, at least when it suits them. RFC 1591 purposely does not define what a country is. ISO 3166-1 contains a

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Lawrence Conroy
On 29 Apr 2015, at 21:36, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: On Apr 29, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Jaap Akkerhuis j...@nlnetlabs.nl wrote: Paul Hoffman writes: Country is a term of art in politics. There are definitions that most people agree to, at least when it suits them. RFC 1591

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Edward Lewis
On 4/29/15, 16:02, Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org wrote: I think sTLD is a term used in ICANN, not in the DNS, whereas gTLD has definitely slipped into DNS language. This confuses me, given the definition in RFC 2308. Are you saying that a NODATA response might have an RCODE that is not 0?

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 29, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Edward Lewis edward.le...@icann.org wrote: The above responses give me a confused idea of what the guidelines of the draft is following. Yep. We have some guidelines at the front of the document, and we generally try to follow them. However, this is now an WG

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-terminology-01.txt

2015-04-29 Thread Tim Wicinski
On 4/29/15 7:56 PM, Edward Lewis wrote: I'll start with an observation that does not directly relate to the draft which does put me in an awkward position. The language used in the RFCs is not exactly the language used in operations. Yes, most words are the same but not all. If the draft is