Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer 6.0 Guide published
Le 03/08/2018 à 20:43, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : Order placed at Lulu's :) Order received. Juste a 1st comment about the cover: the title "Writer Guide" is way too small wrt the big "6.0" underneath. I'd appreciate the title to be in a bigger font size (and, perhaps, in bold) while the "6.0" should be reduced a little. My 2 €-cents. Best regards, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer 6.0 Guide published
Le 01/08/2018 à 03:00, Jean Weber a écrit : Writer 6.0 Guide published. ODTs and cover files are on ODFAuthors, except for the full book ODT which is too large: https://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/writer-guide/published-lo-6.0 PDFs and ODTs of full book and individual chapters are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Writer_Guide Printed copy (for purchase) is here: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/libreoffice-60-writer-guide/23199200 \o/ Order placed at Lulu's :) Thanks a (big) lot for the hard work, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Macros primitives in Basic
Hello Drew! Le 15/06/2018 à 18:42, Drew Jensen a écrit : Howdy Jean Francois, The wiki is one solution, for sure. Have you considered distributing them through the extension site? It's fairly easy to generate an extension file which installs a basic library. If I'm not mistaken the basic add-on builder works with LibreOffice up to the current version and makes it really simple to do. Going the extension route would bring some benefits with regards to notifying users when updates are made to the routines. Yes, this is certainly a route I didn't think of in the first place. I can create extensions so this is a valid option. Anyway, the document I uploaded will have a working button to "install" (copy the libraries to MyMacros) which seems simple enough to me for the time being (the button is there but not yet connected to the install macro which I haven't finished). The extension suggestion is still a suggestion I'll keep in mind. Thanks! All the best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Macros primitives in Basic
Hello Ilmari! Le 15/06/2018 à 19:45, Ilmari Lauhakangas a écrit : Our infra dude Guilhem sorted the thing out. He commented "looks like the email wasn't in ldap". This refers to the single sign-on setup that users can manage at https://user.documentfoundation.org/ Many thanks to Guilhem! I can reach the wiki pages now! All the best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Macros primitives in Basic
Hello Olivier, Le 14/06/2018 à 21:56, Olivier Hallot a écrit : Hello Jean François Yes, very kind to make these macros available to the community. Could you please open a wiki page, fill with instructions and upload the macros files? I'd like to examine them. thanks a lot! I've created and validated an account but can't seem to connect :( In fact, the connexion is made but I can't go any further. This seems to be a cookie thing as I've read on the login help page but I don't understand where the glitch is: Firefox is set to accept site cookies forever, I've disabled the cookies manager so that they are accepted, I've also disabled https-everywhere so that http can be used, to no avail: I get a "user couldn't be identified" message and a captcha, then a "connect using pluggableauth" button (whats that?) and... nothing. This is very frustrating. Even disabling all security tools (adblock, ghostery), I'm still locked out. Any idea? Best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Macros primitives in Basic
Hello Andrew, yes, I know and appreciate the resources you've given to the community :) I've learnt much reading OOME and your Andrew Macros collection. And no, I haven't go any personal website where I can store the document. Thanks for your very kind offer, but I'd first accept Olivier's proposal to post the document on the LibreOffice documentation wiki. All the best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Macros primitives in Basic
Hi! I don't know to whom to apply, so let's go for documentation ;) Thanks to redirect me to the correct address if needed. I've been developping LibreOffice macros in Basic (mainly for Calc, a little for Writer) for quite a while now. During the development of my own macros I've built a corpus of what I call "primitives". It's a set of subs and functions that I use over and over again within the tools I produce. Thus many (but not all) are tested IRL for real projects. This primitive set is bound into a single document, in a structured library tree and with an accompanying description text (as comments and as Writer documentation). All code and documentation is in English. While those primitives are mostly my own work, I've collected a few in fora or on various web sites where people kindly show their own discoveries (authors and sources are always cited in this case). Though this is a permanent work-in-progress, as you can imagine, I'm willing to give it to the community for examination and to attract more contributions. The current license is CC-BY but I'm not sure CC is appropriate for code. Of course, there's much to do to improve things as they are currently: a more extensive documentation, more usage examples, etc. I always take care that such developments be as professional as possible, so I've adopted a standard coding style and take great care to items naming. The said Writer document is still sparse at times, because I haven't got time enough to fill all the gaps... Any pointer to where/whom I could post this document in order to check it and give it away? Thanks for reading so far. All the best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] NextCloud + LibreOffice Online for ODFAuthors: Is it a good idea?
Le 14/06/2018 à 18:56, sophi a écrit : I mean if LibreOffice on line has been localized by the l10n community and is made available in your language :) :) thanks! -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] NextCloud + LibreOffice Online for ODFAuthors: Is it a good idea?
Hi Sophie! Le 14/06/2018 à 10:37, sophi a écrit : I would like to add a side note for those not working in English, NextCloud support a lot of languages and LibreOffice will open in the language you chose if you have localized it. What do you mean by "if you have localized it"? Do you mean non-English speakers should first localize (translate) something into their own language? Best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Basic Macros RefCards
Thanks all! I had to travel for my job, so couldn't answer more rapidly. I've settled things with Olivier who's taking care of them now. Best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Basic Macros RefCards
Hello, for my professional needs (giving away RefCards during training sessions), I have created a set of 8 refcards/cheatsheets related to LibreOffice macros in Basic. Here's the list: 1 - IDE 2 - Basic - Overview 3 - Calc 4 - Events 5 - Runtime Library 6 - Dialogs 7 - Files 8 - Execution parameters I've placed them under a CC-BY-SA 4 license. Each comes as a single A4 document written using Writer of course (I usually print them on 170g paper). "Unfortunately" (sigh), these documents are written in French. At "lost" time, I've translated the first two of them, though (a third one is on the workbench, dunno when it is done). Should these documents be of interest, where could I upload them? All the best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [fr-discuss] Traduction Designing With LibreOffice (DWL)
Bonsoir Pierre, merci de te joindre aux traducteurs. -> Attention, la "bonne" liste est d...@fr.libreoffice.org, à laquelle je fais copie ; sur documentation@global.libreoffice.org on spike l'English uniquement. Bon, c'est ma faute, je m'as gouraté le premier. Le 20/04/2016 19:40, Pierre van Male a écrit : Excellente initiative. Je m'y mets... Et je me rends compte que c'est long un chapitre... ;-) :-) Petite question pour laquelle je ne me souviens pas avoir vu de réponse: Il y a souvent des dénominations en anglais qui seraient traduisibles, bien que le terme anglais soit généralement utilisé dans les autres langues. Je pense au nom des polices de caractères par exemple. Les noms des polices sont clairement à ne pas traduire car ce sont des marques. Pour la version française, quelle convention adopte-t-on? 1. On "francise" tout (tant que possible, parce que tous les termes ne sont pas traduisibles)? 2. On traduit le plus possible et on laisse le terme anglais comme référence à côté (entre parenthèses)? 3. Ou l'inverse: on laisse tout en anglais et on met la traduction en français à côté quand cela a du sens? Personnellement, j'opterais pour la dernière option, même si ce n'est pas la plus francophile... Aussi, je laisse en jaune les passages pour lesquels j'ai un doute sérieux sur ma traduction... En ce qui me concerne, il m'arrive d'avoir des pbs de traduction. Dans ce cas, je laisse entre [] la phrase en anglais et j'ajoute un commentaire dans le document pour discussion ultérieure. Bon, je n'ai pas vraiment répondu ni choisi entre 1 2 et 3. Mais de toutes façons en cas de difficulté, tu peux poser la question à la liste. Merci pour ta participation et à bientôt, Amicalement, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [fr-discuss] Traduction Designing With LibreOffice (DWL)
Le 08/04/2016 22:04, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : Pour le reste... oups... wrong list :( -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [fr-discuss] Traduction Designing With LibreOffice (DWL)
Le 08/04/2016 22:00, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : Je suggère que la suite se passe sur la liste [documentation]. À tout de suite... j'ai traduit les annexes, le chap.16 et qq bricoles périphériques. Notez que : -- la seule modif que je fasse en terme de styles est de passer la langue des paragraphes en Français (France). -- le titre reste à traduire -- les puces ne me plaisent qu'à moitié (pas typographiquement orthodoxes en français) Pour le reste... -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Traduction Designing With LibreOffice (DWL)
Bonjour, pour ceux que ça intéresse de traduire le livre de Bruce Byfield "Designing with LibreOffice" [1], j'ai mis en place l'infrastructure sur le wiki (les fichiers des chapitres à traduire et quelques instructions) [2]. Je suggère que la suite se passe sur la liste [documentation]. À tout de suite... [1] http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/download-buy/ [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FR/Doc#Traduction_en_fran.C3.A7ais_du_livre_de_Bruce_Byfield_.22Designing_with_LibreOffice.22 Amicalement, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New book: Designing with LibreOffice
Hi Bruce! Le 02/04/2016 19:18, Bruce Byfield a écrit : Any questions, please contact me. I'll be pleased to help. I had sent you an email a few days ago. Didn't you receive it? -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice books discount price
Hi, Le 03/12/2013 09:14, Marina Latini a écrit : I've used the specified coupon from Italy but it seems to be invalid. :( same here :(( -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: WooooHooo!! :) Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide (full book) now available
Le 26/11/2013 15:06, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) Congrats PeterS!! Nicely done!! :))) Also thanks to Jean and anyone else who helped out +1 I'm looking forward to finding this book at Lulu's. Cheers, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Reviewed draft how-to on creating ad posters using Draw
Le 11/10/2013 23:07, Jean Weber a écrit : I don't think it's our business to be educating people about image copyright or telling them where to look for free images, but I have no objection if you want to add a brief (one-two sentence?) note, because I realise that many people are clueless on this topic. Well, this was just a suggestion. The document is fine as-is but I thought about a very frequent question/problem we meet during trainings where people think they are entitled to just download anything from the web. If this is far too convoluted to explain in this how-to, no problem for me. And it's not my decision what you put in. I guess this the author's. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Reviewed draft how-to on creating ad posters using Draw
Le 09/10/2013 10:41, Jean Weber a écrit : I have published David's first how-to, Creating Ad Poster using Draw. Very nice! Thanks to both of you! As a side note, don't you think that, in the chapter about image insertion, a paragraph about the image origin would be of use? This to avoid people insert copyrighted material from the web without being aware of the consequences. My 2 euro-cents. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.6 Base Handbook published
Le 05/06/2013 07:28, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : Ordered by Lulu :) and received today! Nice job Lulu! And my thanks again to the doc team :) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 3.6 Base Handbook published
Le 05/06/2013 10:07, Tom Davies a écrit : More thanks This is currently the only way I can help with the doc team, so I do it (and I then may learn things without having the 'puter at hand). Sorry not to be more prolific with written matter as I committed when subscribing to this list, but my schedule is highly filled and won't get empty until some time. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Book on Styles Templates in LibreOffice
Hi Jean! Le 13/04/2013 07:39, Jean Weber a écrit : Friends of OpenDocument, Inc. has signed a contract with Bruce Byfield to write a book that I and some other members of the Docs team have talked about for years but no one has come forth to write. (Despite announcing a year or two ago that I had started work on it, I never found the time to continue.) See Bruce's blog entry for more information. http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/I-ve-signed-to-write-an-advanced-book-on-LibreOffice I am now looking for people to review individual chapters or the whole book as they are written over the next six months or so. Please contact me if you're interested. We need both technical reviewers (people who know enough to tell whether Bruce has got it right) as well as non-technical reviewers (who can tell whether Bruce's explanations make sense to the uninitiated). Yay! Styles are the cornerstone of text processing. The software itself should emphasize that. Dunno where it comes from, but I like this sentence which says it all: If you don't use styles, the text processor sees the characters. When using styles, the software understands the document. (cited from the top of my mind) I'm eager to see that book come to daylight as the lack of information in that matter bugs me for a very long time. BTW, a few years ago, I'd written a 50 pages doc about this very topic for the FR OOo documentation [1]. Though my time is still very sparse, I'd be more than happy to have a glance at Bruce's book. [1] http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Documentation/Guides/StylesModeles.pdf (in French) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Print edition of Getting Started with LO4.0
Le 07/03/2013 20:18, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit : I've ordered one copy, too. Thanks to all who gave their energy and time! Received today! The book is great, thanks again for the good job. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Print edition of Getting Started with LO4.0
Le 06/03/2013 21:13, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I finally managed to convince one of my bosses to buy a couple of copies! It's been like struggling uphill while wading through treacle. The dedication to MS is somewhat shocking given the nature of 'my' company's work and it's position and has been very depressing. So, it's good to see some movement here! Many thanks all for an excellent product (again) I've ordered one copy, too. Thanks to all who gave their energy and time! -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Shortcut key combination
Le 17/02/2013 15:26, Daniel A. Rodriguez a écrit : In previous version by pressing Ctrl + Shift + Delete in bottom right table cell, the paragraph bellow the table will be deleted. Using 4.0.0.3 this particular combination is not recognized any more, for mentioned task at least. Only works if a table row is selected, and if so that row will be deleted. Argh! Xubuntu 12.04, LibO4 from TDF. I confirm that behaviour change. And I do regret that change which, to me, is a regression. Is there an alternative to delete a paragraph situated under a table? Not that I know of. I have tried several key combinations including the Del key, without success. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Font Sizes
Le 13/02/2013 10:54, PeeWee a écrit : This use of percentages does not look right when you are trying build paragraph styles. To me and with my publishing experience, point sizes are used for fonts and not percentages. You've got the how-to answer in msgs from Jean and Tom. For the percentage vs point value, here's the point: a percentage value allows to change the parent style font size and all children styles fonts are updated with the same proportion. A point value is just a fixed value which makes much more difficult to adjust the children fonts sizes. This is why I'd encourage anyone using paragraph styles to keep the percentage thingies :) Just my 2 (euro-)cents, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Maths revamp? Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Documentation in Local Libraries Project
Le 10/02/2013 20:58, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I thought i remembered someone saying they had found a Math Guide written in German that had quite a few separate chapters and that some of that was going to be moved into the English guide? I could easily be wrong but i just wondered if i had got it right? or some froggie? -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO set-up options - View options
Le 04/02/2013 13:19, John Smith a écrit : Could someone with a Linux set-up please confirm, or otherwise, that the Automatic icon style is KDE or Gnome as stated in the documentation. In Windows it is Automatic(Tango). I'm just after confirmation of the Automatic setting. Xubuntu 12.04 : Automatic = Tango -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Revised template for user guides
Le 05/11/2012 20:54, Jean Weber a écrit : When do you think you might have this completed? Well... I had no time to look into that more than what is in the files. I'll do my best to add more information. I guess this doesn't precludes a discussion, anyway. Second, I can't seem to connect using the credentials you had sent me at that time... doh... do I feel stupid... -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Forums Proposal
Le 07/10/2012 14:26, Mark Stanton a écrit : In the discussions with your members section, my two penneth worth is that, for me, I use forums for when I have a problem that I need to solve *now*. Mailing lists are general reading and background. The upshot is I would read a forum much less often than a mailing list. 2c well spent? Think so. Like Mark, I think there are two uses of internet questionning: 1. One-shot questions John Doe often has a question s-he wants to solve right now. In this POV, mailing lists are often bothering the casual questionner: necessity to subscribe, overflooded mailbox because of a lack of knowledge of what a mailing list is, difficulty to unsubscribe, etc. 2. Long-term discussions A mailing list brings the messages directly to the personnal mailer, where they can be read and kept for as long as necessary for future reference. Moreover, the mailer software allows for sorting and organizing the threads. To jump on Mark's shoulders (if he doesn't mind ;), and WRT this *documentation* list, I see two uses: -- the casual questions is there a doc about Base? which resorts to a forum. The question at hand being: do we need a forum for that alone? IOW, would a general purpose forum not fit the bill? Side note: shouldn't this be clearly answered on the web pages? -- the long run discussions about a doc in progress, which, IMO, better belongs to a mailing list such as this one. So, as you guessed, my opinion *about documentation* is to keep the list as it is now and not have a forum at all. My 2 euro-cents. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles for list styles
Le 10/05/2012 10:28, Gary Schnabl a écrit : These styles make up the set of paragraph styles for ordered and unordered lists that date way back to version 1.x, but which never were really explained much outside of the OOo/LO user guides. Also, the factory-default formatting for these styles is not in general agreement throughout the Ns (worse in OOo than in LO). They appear to be much unlike the human appendix--somewhat useless in its original form but which can be made useful. Also, the typographic rules change across countries. EG: in France, we (should) *never* use dots for lists, only dashes. Now, because of inaccurately set software, many a frenchman uses incorrect typography. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph styles for list styles
Le 10/05/2012 23:43, Dan Lewis a écrit : IMO, the list paragraph styles need to be studied very carefully. I find duplication of styles that unnecessarily makes understanding them very complex. The complexity comes from the Next Style setting, which many people ignore completely. For example among the factory-default styles, the Indents Spacing parameters of Numbering 1 and Numbering 1 Cont. are identical. Why should the next style for Numbering 1 Start be Numbering 1? Why is it not Numbering 1 Cont.? Why does Numbering 1 Start have a 2 line space above it, and Numbering 1 End have a two line space below it? So that the starting and ending list items are visually separated from the surrounding body. In our chapter template we have a similar situation: OOoNum 123 Start and OOoNum 123 Cont. have identical parameters in the Indents Spacing tab. Why is this? The important setting here is the Next Style definition, such as we may have: List 1 Start - List 1 Cont. - List 1 End ^ | --- The question remains, though: should we keep this list style chain or should we adopt a simpler one-style-fits-all option? The latter is simpler but can't bring all the power of the chaining, ie, paragraph spacing, as you mention. The former is more complex and very few people would use that. the others wouldn't understand the actual benefits for using it. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation template
Le 09/05/2012 00:04, Gary Schnabl a écrit : FrameMaker can easily handle all those conditional texts, though--at least much easier than OOo/LO ever could. I've never used FrameMaker, though I hear many positive comments about it on the LibO lists. Any way, I started drafting some general-purpose conditional-text templates a few weeks ago, whereby various conditions would be covered--print docs, online docs, MS Word migrations (using similar terminology for style names that Word users would typically use), among others. To save my time, I based them upon OOo/LO templates that I had a hand in drafting since 2006. Great! Of course, all that OOo/Libo prefix nonsense for style naming was dispensed with. :) I reckon that your dual-template approach would employ LO conditional text? Or did you plan on making separate templates for each conditional usage? Yes, this is the primary option. In any case, the target is to minimize the style change when changing target. For the same reason, I always prefer relative font sizes (%) over absolute values (pt). Lastly, I would test how their ODT outputs would convert into EPUB files by calibre (lowercase, as some on LO believe it is Calibre...). Also, I am working on a style guide (US English emphasis, with examples), adapting from various style guides in use at various US universities, etc. When I achieve more critical mass with what I got, they will be posted on my website, and anybody can use them or not, as they wish. Thanks for sharing. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation template
Hi, I've uploaded (some of) the documents I've been working with to the drafts in the resource repository. In all, 3 docs: -- the styles catalog (Calc sheet), created from the SG 3.4 http://alfresco.libreoffice.org/share/page/document-details?nodeRef=workspace://SpacesStore/8fe99883-714e-480f-bfd3-d87e4e9f6f81 -- a map of the paragraphs styles, children of Default (there are some with no parent for which I also have the map I can upload later) in 2 versions: the .mm (freemind) source version and a .png version for those who don't want to install FreeMind. http://alfresco.libreoffice.org/share/page/document-details?nodeRef=workspace://SpacesStore/ba5f0a98-4763-47ae-8743-4acb89f75313 Here's the structure of the catalog sheet: -- one sheet per style type, with the following columns -- CurStyle: the style name, as declared/used in the reference document -- LinkedWith: the parent style, if any or applicable -- NextStyle: the next style, if any or applicable. -- Type: C=Custom; S=Stock -- Settings: the style settings *if and only if* they differ from the parent -- UseCase: use cases, from the documentation available (tbd) -- Questions: some questions that raised while cataloging. Many are pending. -- NewStyle: a new style alternative, if available now (tbd) I'll go on entering information in the catalog (ie, use cases, questions). In the meantime we could start discussing. IMO, the first points to be discussed: -- do we need a naming convention (see also previous Dan's message: Some suggestions for those beginning work on an updated chapter template)? If yes, which? -- global styles family: should we adopt an Object-Oriented mind and first set a bunch of abstract styles from which the actual styles would be derived? If so, arrange the styles into families/branches. Then define the abstract styles. -- should we keep in mind a dual template approach: display-only and printed matter templates? Best regards, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Some suggestions for those beginning work on an updated chapter template
Le 07/05/2012 04:04, Dan Lewis a écrit : Bottom of page 8 of the LO 3.4 chapter template: Could you pls point me to where that document lies? Couldn't find it (yet). This is why I've been working with the Starting Guide (SG) 3.4. which I found rich enough for a starter (pun intended). Anyway, thanks for your remarks. They add to the little stock of mine. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Some suggestions for those beginning work on an updated chapter template
WRT that subjet, where could I upload the files on which I've been working when they are ready? (ie, soon ;) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Some suggestions for those beginning work on an updated chapter template
Le 07/05/2012 15:45, Dan Lewis a écrit : The latest tweaks by Jean and the version to which I referred: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/resources-for-contributers/template-for-v3.4-chapters/view. Thanks! -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Some suggestions for those beginning work on an updated chapter template
Le 07/05/2012 17:12, Dan Lewis a écrit : This sounds like a project for Tom: create a place on Alfresco where we can do this. (I wonder where he is when we need him. Well, as I write this it is only a little after 4 PM where he lives.) I would prefer to have a place where we can list the proposed styles and let each have his or her say as to why particular styles are needed. We could use some input from Jean on this as well. We could as well devise a wiki page (ie some whiteboard) to discuss that matter with all who'd like to. WRT Alfresco: I had an account which blew away in the crash. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Some suggestions for those beginning work on an updated chapter template
Le 08/05/2012 01:01, Jean Weber a écrit : Actually, no, that account was gone. I have created another and sent Jean-Francois the login details. Thanks Jean! Got it. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I have resigned from Apache OpenOffice
Le 06/05/2012 00:06, Sophie Gautier a écrit : Hi Jean, I'm just a translator here, but I really appreciate the quality of your work and also the way you manage this project. Thanks for your great work :) Just my +1 to say I'm glad the LibO project have people like you, Jean (and Sophie all.) onboard. So, Jean, go ahead! All the best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Printed copies of LibreOffice 3.4 Getting Started
Le 06/05/2012 07:35, Gary Schnabl a écrit : Your observation is what is typically used in practice--using serif typefaces for body text in print docs and sans serif for onscreen viewing. Some editors will switch typefaces used for headings, though: sans serif for print docs and serif in an online doc. Why not try creating your own print version by simply altering the typeface for the body-text paragraph styles that were employed the source docs--a very simple task. Then just port out your own PDF. I do share the OP comments about printed matter vs screen display and your idea seems very interesting to me, Gary. Perhaps we could keep that need in mind while re-designing the documentation templates? BTW, the styles cataloging is on my workbench for a few days now. I hope that, as a first step, I can get a styles dependencies map by to-morrow. (I'll open a new thread on due time) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide corrections
Hi Jean all. I've been silent for a while but jump in about this template topic that really bugs me for a long while. Le 26/04/2012 23:24, Jean Weber a écrit : I'm sure it will require starting from scratch, with a totally new and clean template (not modified from an existing template) and files, pasting in everything in unformatted text, reformatting, the works... just to find out if it's a bug in our files (which I'm convinced it is) or a bug in LO itself. We've talked a bit about creating a new template, dropping the custom styles in favour of using the built-in styles, and doing other clean-up stuff, which could be part of the same exercise. But the prospect of the work involved is daunting, and it will take away so much time that could be spent keeping info up to date... even though I know that, if it works, it should make compiling and debugging a book so much less time-consuming. Could we first establish a table summarizing the guides styles? We could list: current style, parent style, stock style replacement (if any), style settings, notes I'm willing to help into creating that list. Best regards, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide corrections
Hi All, Le 01/05/2012 16:24, Nino Novak a écrit : Maybe you can find a Macro which does exactly this? Perhaps Andrew can help? Well... I'm doing this by hand :) I assume, the styles reside all in the Document Template. So what you propose is cleaning up the Document template, I'd say. I didn't remember of the existence of that template (and dunno where it template lies), so I'm using the Getting Started Guide for LibO 3.4. (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/0/00/GS3400-GettingStartedLibO.odt). I think/hope that document has most if not all the styles needed. If someone can point me in the right direction, I'll happily get my hands on the template. Go ahead! Doing so ;) I'm currently working on a Calc spreadsheet that summarizes the styles and their settings (when different from the defaults). -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide corrections
Le 01/05/2012 17:22, Nino Novak a écrit : On Tuesday 01 May 2012, 16:42:05 Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 01/05/2012 16:24, Nino Novak a écrit : Maybe you can find a Macro which does exactly this? Perhaps Andrew can help? Well... I'm doing this by hand :) :-) That's ok for one document. But remember, there are lots of template based documents in the Documentation area! E.g. the German translations are based on somewhat different styles with completely different names. With a macro one could quickly list all the styles used in that particular document, so comparison would be a lot quicker/easier. Yes, sure (I have a zero-knowledge wrt to macros and don't want to put my toes into that; some kind of an allergy I'd say). I also know the FR community have their own styles when they translate the guides (eg, they convert OOoXxxx into LibOXxxx). Anyway, we have to start somewhere and, to me, the basis is the international documentation. I can see the documentation styles and templates workflow as: 1. Create a catalog of the styles present in the documentation There are (a) stock styles (very few) (b) custom styles (many) 2. Analyse the naming (a) collisions-like (b) names too close between categories (c) ambiguous names (d) non-fonctional names 3. Analyse the uses for styles 4. Propose a move (a) Styles that would go from custom to stock (b) Custom styles to rename for better understanding (c) Custom styles to leave alone 5. Document the move So that documentation writers know what's up. 6. Do the move. (a) Create the new template-s (b) Convert the guides Ouch. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide 3.4
Le 01/05/2012 21:45, John Smith a écrit : Hi Chapter 3 of the guide has been uploaded to ODF Calc Drafts. Chapter 4 now in progress. The apostrophe! Just curious here, but ... Doing a search or a search and replace looking for the apostrophe used in 'contractions' like 'we'll', returns no hits, even when I'm sitting three lines above one. It finds the 'we', and it finds the 'll', but not the whole word, nor the apostrophe alone. Over-typing the apostrophe and doing the search finds it ok. So I was just curious about what character is used for the apostrophe in the documents, if it's not U+0027. As I said, just curious. FYI, during the documentation styles cataloging I've started a few hours ago, I've noticed that not all paragraph styles have the same language defined. Some have EN (USA) while others have EN (Aus). Could this language thingy play the trick you're noticing? Note also, that the FR apostrophe, for instance, is not U+0027 but U+2019. BTW, this can be (un)set in Tools / Autocorrect options / Localized Options, Single quotes. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Styles naming and usage in LibO manuals
Hi, apart from Gary, this topic doesn't seem to attract masses... Jean? The Authors? To all: I am willing to participate to any effort into a styles adaptation within the guides documents according to my first message suggestions. Though, this effort is not worth right now, because of the new features that should be introduced into LibO v.3.5 wrt styles. When this version is out, I'm ok for some work into that matter. Thanks for your attention, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Styles naming and usage in LibO manuals
Hi, (copy to the FR discuss list where it all started) I'm at a loss about the styles names and use in LibO docs (I'm referring here to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/f/f5/0101GS3-IntroducingLibO.odt, but the same goes to others) I'm wondering why the styles used are OOoSomeNewStyle while predefined styles already exist for the same purpose in the software (eg: OOoTextBody vs pre-defined TextBody) I think the current naming scheme is faulty and that this important drawback should be addressed. The problem I see here is interoperability. This pilar of Free Software is very welcome into our office automation tools. This way, our documents can be transferred everywhere and used by anyone, the style name being translated and meaningful to the reader (eg: the paragraph style Heading 1 in English is Titre 1 in French). - Any non-standard expression is a source of misunderstanding. - Any non-standard naming can't be easily translated. The second drawback is much worse. If I want to display documents using my own style sheets, I can configure any pre-defined style to fit my needs or desires and create my own templates (this is basic styles and templates use). This way, when I get a document from anywhere, I can be sure it will look the way *I* want. - Any non-standard naming defeats in-house rules. I'm sure there's some reason why the obscure OOoSomeNewStyle scheme has been adopted but I can't see any explanation that would overrule the two problems above. Also, we must be aware that the documents we produce here are to be used as good practice examples by our audience. Anytime I teach Writer, I emphasize on styles and good practices about them. Having official documents (well, there's the TDF logo somewhere, right?) that don't actually apply such good practices is bad teaching. Can anyone with a long experience explain this naming thingy? Because of the problems listed above, I think we should review the documents styles and adopt the predefined styles wherever they are concerned, additional styles being introduced very sparingly. Best regards, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Printed copy of Writer Guide now available
Le 01/05/2011 12:34, Jean Hollis Weber a écrit : The printed edition of the LibreOffice Writer Guide is now available from Friends of OpenDocument, Inc. The direct link is http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/libreoffice-3-writer-guide/15593313 (sorry to jump in lately: I've been very busy lately...) This is good news! Just a comment about what I think is the front cover: the big fat black borders are really, but really awful. I know this mimics the LibO icon but, well, printed matter is not screen rendition, is it? The black borders make me feel like it is a death notice of some sort. IMO it should be replaced with some lighter colour, a light grey could do, I think. Just my 2 (euro)cents. Keep up the good job, team! -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki
Le 26/03/2011 13:12, Sophie Gautier a écrit : You can't change the help content in the wiki currently. Curious, isn't it? Isn't a wiki aimed at everyone's involvement? Does currently mean that this policy could change in the future? IMO, it should, and quickly. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide status question re angle brackets in paths
Le 26/03/2011 02:37, Barbara Duprey a écrit : Besides being arrows, they're also in OOoComputerCode style (Liberation Sans Mono), and they'd be better back in OOoMenuPath. That would take longer than the simple FR, right? The AltSearch extension might be of help here. Thus, IMO, these Find and replace operations are non-issues. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffcie help wiki
Hello Sophie, Le 26/03/2011 13:57, Sophie Gautier a écrit : I don't know how to maintain a localization on a wiki and in the product at the same time, so if you know any ways to achieve it, please, just tell us and we will use it. Just to make things clear: I do know how much work it is to manage such a software as LibO. Precisely, don't you think that opening to the masses by unlocking the wiki might help? My 2 euro-cents. All the best, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Use of Euro Euros euro euros and thousand separator and decimal point
Le 19/02/2011 12:34, Marc Paré a écrit : Some of us on the marketing and USmarketing teams are having a discussion on usage and I thought that perhaps someone on the documentation team could help us. 1. Use of Euro. It was pointed out that the European Community had issued its verdict saying that Euro should not be pluralized (i.e. Euros) in any situation. So, should we then standardize our use of Euro to this for all documentation, website and marketing materials? The question holds its answer: yes just because it is the *standard* There was also a discussion, with no decision about the treatment of the word Euro. Would we write: 50 000 euro or 50 000 Euro or should we rather write Euro 50 000 or euro 50 000 or EU50 000? It depends. I'd write either 50.000 Euro (for plain text, as stated in 1.) or EUR 50.000 (banking standard) The decimal separator here is the froggies' one 2. The setting of the the thousand separator and the decimal point. There seems to be multiple acceptable usages. For example all of the following seem to be correct: 50 000.05 50,000.05 EN 50.000,05 FR 50 000.05 50.000,05 FR again Just my two (Euro-)cents -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation
Hi Barb and Rogerio, Le 06/02/2011 13:25, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit : I really like your outline, and I'd say your English is *more* than adequate to get the points across. I'd be glad to edit for smoothing it out if that's needed. Exactly the same here ... go for it Jean ... if you are willing do please try to write it in english, we can give it a uplift if you can send our way even a bad translation (because I will put your french version through a Google-Translate if you don't have the time ... and take it from there) besides you underestimate your english, it is quite good for tech writing. Thanks to both for your kind words. Writing on a message board is a thing, writing a comprehensive document is really a whole other matter. Anyway, I'll do my best and provide something in my English asap :) so that the folks lurking here may review, correct and rephrase. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation
Le 06/02/2011 16:40, David Nelson a écrit : Sure, whatever. Anyway, the offer remains open if you change your mind. ;-) Thanks Dave. Note is well taken, would the job be out of my reach :) -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation
Hi Rogerio, thanks for your interest. Le 05/02/2011 15:48, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit : Jean I think if you manage to do something like this it would be grand, and I surely would translate it to Portuguese if you manage a English version :) This is currently on my plate... The very beginning (part 1 to the Calc and text import thingy) is already written (in French :( but needs some rethinking and/or rewording. As for an English version... well, as you might guess English is not my mother language which means I can write some sentences but the wording won't be on par with what a true native would express. All this to say there's a lot to be done. Also, I'm ok to share what I've got so far (in French!) and go on with anyone interested. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: General question about translation of documentation and organisation within Alfresco
Le 30/01/2011 14:10, Rogerio Luz Coelho a écrit : My 2cents as a pt-br translator is that we let the subdivisions as they are, so if we get a team that posts as PT and ANOTHER as PT-BR we let them both exist in the main tree something like: /pt /pt-br My opinion as well. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation
Le 27/01/2011 00:37, Andy Brown a écrit : The Mid Level Base tutorial [1] is a very good beginners document as well. It contains three parts, the first two cover what a database is and how to design it. The third covers Base using SQL command to build a database. I find this to be a *very* good tutorial. A little too deep for a general intro but could be an excellent start to make one (by pruning and grafting... well, more pruning than grafting). As of a Base tutorial for beginners, here's the outline I'm thinking of: Part 1 -- What a RDBMS is (principles, tables, relations, queries) -- How to devise a database -- Introduction to Base -- Creating a DB with Base -- Importing data from Calc and delimited text files -- Querying a DB in interactive mode (not so sure about the English wording here as I've got the French version installed) -- Using a DB for mailmerge Part 2 -- Introduction to SQL -- Querying a DB using SQL -- Useful tools (Sun/Oracle Report Builder, MySQLworkbench) -- Reporting with S/ORB -- Using Base as a front-end for MySQL (MySQLconnector extension) and PostgreSQL (SDBC) This contents is what I currently intend to stuff into a series of in-house training I'm planning. I reckon this outline to be quite progressive and, from my experience, seems to be what newcomers want. HTH, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco Alfresco Alfresco
Hi! Le 22/01/2011 19:27, David Nelson a écrit : Maybe the problem was that you did not have a user account. ahah! Good catch Jeremy and Dave! I've got the credentials now, thanks. I should be able to get there, but, well... I'm feeling dumber and dumber... Where's the account login thingy? -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco Alfresco Alfresco
Le 22/01/2011 19:53, Jeremy Cartwright a écrit : My apologies sir! No problem sir ;) In the upper right hand corner, next to the search box, on the page https://documentation.traduction.biz/alfresco/faces/jsp/browse/browse.jsp Now, we're almost there... The credentials I'm entering aren't valid... FWIW, I'm trying to connect using the credentials Dave sent me, IOW: my email address as user id and a password. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Alfresco Alfresco Alfresco
Le 22/01/2011 20:47, Jeremy Cartwright a écrit : Try jeanfrancoisnifenecker as your user id. That ought to do the job. :) Yipiiie! Thanks to both of you for your patience, Jeremy and Dave. -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Quick reference cards
Hi, Le 09/01/2011 12:55, Marc Paré a écrit : This looks great as well. Would you be interested in working this up again for LibreOffice3.3? Of course, otherwise I would have kept my mouth shut :) I have printed a copy on US lettre and of course it doesn't fit properly, but, it looks like p.1 could be squeezed a bit to make that side p. 5,6,1 work both in A4 and US letter. T Side 2 looks more problematic, I don't know if all 3 pages could be squeezed enough to fit a US letter size properly. It may have to be reworked. If your proof of concept could be printed out on both A4/US letter, this would also be a clear winner. From this page: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216 (in French) it appears the landscape use should be kept within a printed zone of 237 x 174 mm to be A4 and US letter compliant. I'll rework the QRC starting from these recommendations and keep the group posted. If you work this out in Français, I could test it out here on US letter (Canada). OK. Where should I upload the drafts? At this moment, I can't give any timeframe but I'll do my best to be as fast as possible :) IMO, we should all switch to A4 the world over. (sigh) A4 rulez! ;-) Cheers, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
