Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Hello Jean, I will work on translating the French Math FAQs to English. By the way, I'm not sure how to notify the French team I'll be working on this. - Glen On 2013-11-17 13:05, Jean Weber wrote: On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:09:38 +1000 Jean Weberjeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. Which is more urgent, the Base Handbook or the Calc Wiki? I can do either but not both. Hazel Hard to choose; IMO both are high priority, so it's really up to you. Finishing the Calc FAQs is certainly a good thing to do. More general comment to other team members: there are other French FAQs and tutorials to be translated in English, if you feel comfortable doing that. Please coordinate on this list, so you don't duplicate effort by other team members, including in the French group. Original French FAQs are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FR/FAQ English FAQs are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Chapters 9, 10, 11 of Draw Guide v4.1 are now published. Peter, I made some minor changes, including to the chapter number on the title page and in the file name of Ch11, and several small edits to the Tip mentioned by Tim. I am hoping to compile the full guide soon. Meanwhile, if anyone spots any errors or has questions about the chapters, do speak up! --Jean On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, I plan to check and publish these last three chapters today or tomorrow and then compile the book. Great work! Are you going to work on Calc Guide updates for v4.1 now? I've got some of the later chapters in progress (should be finished soon), but quite a few have been done... enough to keep you busy for awhile anyway. --Jean On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 11 Advanced Draw Techniques is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch11-advanced-draw-techniques/view That is the last chapter and version 4.1 is now complete. Regards PeterS -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Thank you Jean I was going to get to Tim’s small edits later on today. You have saved me another job. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 23 Nov 2013, at 09:32, Jean Weber [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n408455...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Chapters 9, 10, 11 of Draw Guide v4.1 are now published. Peter, I made some minor changes, including to the chapter number on the title page and in the file name of Ch11, and several small edits to the Tip mentioned by Tim. I am hoping to compile the full guide soon. Meanwhile, if anyone spots any errors or has questions about the chapters, do speak up! --Jean On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Jean Weber [hidden email] wrote: Hi Peter, I plan to check and publish these last three chapters today or tomorrow and then compile the book. Great work! Are you going to work on Calc Guide updates for v4.1 now? I've got some of the later chapters in progress (should be finished soon), but quite a few have been done... enough to keep you busy for awhile anyway. --Jean On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM, PeeWee [hidden email] wrote: Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 11 Advanced Draw Techniques is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch11-advanced-draw-techniques/view That is the last chapter and version 4.1 is now complete. Regards PeterS -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4084553.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email ml-node+s969070n1645240...@n3.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4084559.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Jean Yes, I shall be checking the Calc Guide next. By the time that is finished, it will be time for the Impress Guide to upgraded to 4.2. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 21 Nov 2013, at 20:53, Jean Weber [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4084367...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Hi Peter, I plan to check and publish these last three chapters today or tomorrow and then compile the book. Great work! Are you going to work on Calc Guide updates for v4.1 now? I've got some of the later chapters in progress (should be finished soon), but quite a few have been done... enough to keep you busy for awhile anyway. --Jean On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM, PeeWee [hidden email] wrote: Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 11 Advanced Draw Techniques is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch11-advanced-draw-techniques/view That is the last chapter and version 4.1 is now complete. Regards PeterS -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4084367.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email ml-node+s969070n1645240...@n3.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4084417.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Hello Everyone, Just a heads up email. I will edit and update Calc Ch. 12 to 4.1. Please be on the lookout for an update sometime within the week. Best, Preston On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Martin Saffron martinsaff...@gmail.comwrote: Hello Jean, Thanks for the information. I'm interested in helping write the Base guide so would appreciate more information on that. In the meantime, I will take a look at chapter 5 (Using Graphics) of the Calc guide. If I have any spare time, I will identify and note any chapters that will need updating upon release of LO 4.2. Thanks, Martin On 16/11/13 22:09, Jean Weber wrote: On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: I have been upgrading the Draw (4.1) and will complete the remaining chapters fairly quickly. Then it will be onto the Calc Guide to bring up to 4.1. The Calc chapters are being upgraded to 4.0 by other volunteers. I shall then upgrade the chapters to 4.1 so that the Calc Guide has the same look and feel throughout the guide. After that I will be moving onto the Impress Guide which is now at 4.0 to upgrade to 4.1 maybe 4.2. Just have to wait and see. I think the best bet is to move onto the other LO modules because I think there is a shortage of volunteers to upgrade the remaining modules. I am sure Jean will advise which is the best to have a go at. On 16 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Martin Saffron [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4083478...@n3.nabble.com wrote: I've just taken another look at the publications page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications) and would like advice as to which area I can begin work on. Is the objective to bring all guides up to date (4.1.x branch) or are 4.0.x guides sufficient? Jean here. General comment to Martin: We've been tending to skip a point release for Getting Started and the Writer Guide, because we haven't been able to keep them updated fast enough while at the same time improving the content, not just updating it. Calc Guide is something of an orphan and, as you can see, hasn't been updated since v3.4. The objective at this point is to finish the Calc Guide to 4.1 and start updating GS and WG to v4.2. The first beta of LO 4.2 is due out next week (see Release Plan, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.2 and the Release Notes, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2 So, my suggestions to you are: 1) Go through Chapters 5, 6, 12, 13 of Calc Guide (currently listed as LO v4.0) to see if anything needs changing for v4.1 -- or if anything wasn't updated correctly from v3.4 to v 4.0. Also Appendix C hasn't been updated from v3.4; you could do that. Other chapters have already been updated to v4.1, but Peter hasn't been through all of them for look and feel updates. People are working on Ch14 and Appendixes A and B. I'm really hoping to get that book done by the end of November. 2) Start identifying which chapter of Getting Started and/or other books will need updating for v4.2. Add info to this page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/ UserGuideTasks Also would be useful to go through the existing GS book to see what else needs updating or improvement. PLEASE NOTE: Most chapters in this book cover material also included in other books, though topics and level of detail vary. Therefore, noting necessary updates changes in chapter lists for other books is very helpful. 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. 4) Work on Base Guide (different book, written from scratch in English). If you're interested in that, I'll provide more info. I'm in the middle of rationalizing chapters of that book following recent work by Dan Lewis (and earlier work that I've neglected to follow up on). --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- T h a n k s, Preston Bernstein プレストン バーンスタイン http://www.linkedin.com/in/prestonbernstein http://www.prestonbernstein.com Twitter: PMBernstein -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 11 Advanced Draw Techniques is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch11-advanced-draw-techniques/view That is the last chapter and version 4.1 is now complete. Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4084293.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, I plan to check and publish these last three chapters today or tomorrow and then compile the book. Great work! Are you going to work on Calc Guide updates for v4.1 now? I've got some of the later chapters in progress (should be finished soon), but quite a few have been done... enough to keep you busy for awhile anyway. --Jean On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:41 PM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 11 Advanced Draw Techniques is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch11-advanced-draw-techniques/view That is the last chapter and version 4.1 is now complete. Regards PeterS -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 10 Printing, Exporting E-mailing is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch10-printing-exporting-e-mailing/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4084139.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, being really picky there is a tip on page 18 just below figure 14 where I don't think the grammar is correct: create a numbered list with more than ten elements and making sure but that is the only mistake I can see Cheers On 19/11/13 22:56, PeeWee wrote: Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 9 Adding and Formatting Text is now the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch09-adding-and-formatting-text/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083957.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 9 Adding and Formatting Text is now the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch09-adding-and-formatting-text/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083957.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:09:38 +1000 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. Which is more urgent, the Base Handbook or the Calc Wiki? I can do either but not both. Hazel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Jean, I would also like to know what needs to be done. I'm ready to help in any way. Best, Preston On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:09:38 +1000 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. Which is more urgent, the Base Handbook or the Calc Wiki? I can do either but not both. Hazel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- T h a n k s, Preston Bernstein プレストン バーンスタイン http://www.linkedin.com/in/prestonbernstein http://www.prestonbernstein.com Twitter: PMBernstein -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Hi :) If i had a vote i would vote for the wiki. There is a previous iteration of the Handbook but the wiki doesn't have a previous version at all yet. Regards from Tom :) On 17 November 2013 12:26, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:09:38 +1000 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. Which is more urgent, the Base Handbook or the Calc Wiki? I can do either but not both. Hazel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Hi :) It might be worth sending a mail to the Users Mailing List to recruit new people for the specific task. A general shout-out grabs some people but others react better when they hear about a specific task that is likely to have an end-date (and then stick around afterwards for just one more) Regards from Tom :) On 17 November 2013 16:41, Preston Bernstein prestonbernst...@gmail.com wrote: Jean, I would also like to know what needs to be done. I'm ready to help in any way. Best, Preston On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:09:38 +1000 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. Which is more urgent, the Base Handbook or the Calc Wiki? I can do either but not both. Hazel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- T h a n k s, Preston Bernstein プレストン バーンスタイン http://www.linkedin.com/in/prestonbernstein http://www.prestonbernstein.com Twitter: PMBernstein -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:09:38 +1000 Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. Which is more urgent, the Base Handbook or the Calc Wiki? I can do either but not both. Hazel Hard to choose; IMO both are high priority, so it's really up to you. Finishing the Calc FAQs is certainly a good thing to do. More general comment to other team members: there are other French FAQs and tutorials to be translated in English, if you feel comfortable doing that. Please coordinate on this list, so you don't duplicate effort by other team members, including in the French group. Original French FAQs are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FR/FAQ English FAQs are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Preston, Can you do translations from either French or German? Otherwise, what interests you from the list in my earlier note in this thread? Some items on that list can be conveniently broken into smaller tasks that take less of a time commitment than others. --Jean On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Preston Bernstein prestonbernst...@gmail.com wrote: Jean, I would also like to know what needs to be done. I'm ready to help in any way. Best, Preston -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Hello Jean, Thanks for the information. I'm interested in helping write the Base guide so would appreciate more information on that. In the meantime, I will take a look at chapter 5 (Using Graphics) of the Calc guide. If I have any spare time, I will identify and note any chapters that will need updating upon release of LO 4.2. Thanks, Martin On 16/11/13 22:09, Jean Weber wrote: On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: I have been upgrading the Draw (4.1) and will complete the remaining chapters fairly quickly. Then it will be onto the Calc Guide to bring up to 4.1. The Calc chapters are being upgraded to 4.0 by other volunteers. I shall then upgrade the chapters to 4.1 so that the Calc Guide has the same look and feel throughout the guide. After that I will be moving onto the Impress Guide which is now at 4.0 to upgrade to 4.1 maybe 4.2. Just have to wait and see. I think the best bet is to move onto the other LO modules because I think there is a shortage of volunteers to upgrade the remaining modules. I am sure Jean will advise which is the best to have a go at. On 16 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Martin Saffron [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4083478...@n3.nabble.com wrote: I've just taken another look at the publications page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications) and would like advice as to which area I can begin work on. Is the objective to bring all guides up to date (4.1.x branch) or are 4.0.x guides sufficient? Jean here. General comment to Martin: We've been tending to skip a point release for Getting Started and the Writer Guide, because we haven't been able to keep them updated fast enough while at the same time improving the content, not just updating it. Calc Guide is something of an orphan and, as you can see, hasn't been updated since v3.4. The objective at this point is to finish the Calc Guide to 4.1 and start updating GS and WG to v4.2. The first beta of LO 4.2 is due out next week (see Release Plan, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.2 and the Release Notes, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2 So, my suggestions to you are: 1) Go through Chapters 5, 6, 12, 13 of Calc Guide (currently listed as LO v4.0) to see if anything needs changing for v4.1 -- or if anything wasn't updated correctly from v3.4 to v 4.0. Also Appendix C hasn't been updated from v3.4; you could do that. Other chapters have already been updated to v4.1, but Peter hasn't been through all of them for look and feel updates. People are working on Ch14 and Appendixes A and B. I'm really hoping to get that book done by the end of November. 2) Start identifying which chapter of Getting Started and/or other books will need updating for v4.2. Add info to this page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks Also would be useful to go through the existing GS book to see what else needs updating or improvement. PLEASE NOTE: Most chapters in this book cover material also included in other books, though topics and level of detail vary. Therefore, noting necessary updates changes in chapter lists for other books is very helpful. 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. 4) Work on Base Guide (different book, written from scratch in English). If you're interested in that, I'll provide more info. I'm in the middle of rationalizing chapters of that book following recent work by Dan Lewis (and earlier work that I've neglected to follow up on). --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Hello Peter I'm terribly sorry; I should have checked before I started. I've just taken another look at the publications page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications) and would like advice as to which area I can begin work on. Is the objective to bring all guides up to date (4.1.x branch) or are 4.0.x guides sufficient? Thanks, Martin On 16/11/13 07:36, PeeWee wrote: Hello Martin We are at cross purposes here. I am updating the Draw Guide to Version 4.1 which means two of us were working on the same chapter. I shall now use your version to complete Chapter 9 and reissue onto the ODF Authors website. This will mean that Chapter 10 11 will follow very quickly. With regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 15 Nov 2013, at 19:58, Martin Saffron [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4083378...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Hello I recently joined the LibreOffice documentation mailing list and decided to begin my contribution by updating Chapter 9 of the Draw guide (Adding And Formatting Text) to version 4.1. It has now been uploaded to the ODF Authors website for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/chapter-9-adding-and-formatting-text/view Whilst there was not a great deal that needed to be updated, there is one screen shot that will need replacing. The Special Characters dialogue box (Figure 8, on page 9) in the version I am using (LibreOffice 4.1.3.2 on Windows 8.1) is re-organised, with clickable action boxes now found at the bottom of window, along with a new 'Delete Last' box added. I recall reading in the instructional documentation that screen shots from Mac or Linux operating systems are preferable to those from Windows. As such, I hope that someone will be able to update the screen shot on my behalf. I also wonder whether the slightly different placement of tabs in the Graphic Styles dialogue box (Figure 10, on page 12) would necessitate replacement of the screen shot. The 'Text' and 'Text Animation' tabs are on the second row in the version I am using but this seems a minor detail. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083378.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email ml-node+s969070n1645240...@n3.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083444.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Not a problem Martin. Your work has helped me greatly and I am now going through Chap 9, mainly the screenshots need changing. It will be on the ODF Authors website Monday or Tuesday. I have been upgrading the Draw (4.1) and will complete the remaining chapters fairly quickly. Then it will be onto the Calc Guide to bring up to 4.1. The Calc chapters are being upgraded to 4.0 by other volunteers. I shall then upgrade the chapters to 4.1 so that the Calc Guide has the same look and feel throughout the guide. After that I will be moving onto the Impress Guide which is now at 4.0 to upgrade to 4.1 maybe 4.2. Just have to wait and see. I think the best bet is to move onto the other LO modules because I think there is a shortage of volunteers to upgrade the remaining modules. I am sure Jean will advise which is the best to have a go at. With regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 16 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Martin Saffron [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4083478...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Hello Peter I'm terribly sorry; I should have checked before I started. I've just taken another look at the publications page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications) and would like advice as to which area I can begin work on. Is the objective to bring all guides up to date (4.1.x branch) or are 4.0.x guides sufficient? Thanks, Martin On 16/11/13 07:36, PeeWee wrote: Hello Martin We are at cross purposes here. I am updating the Draw Guide to Version 4.1 which means two of us were working on the same chapter. I shall now use your version to complete Chapter 9 and reissue onto the ODF Authors website. This will mean that Chapter 10 11 will follow very quickly. With regards Peter Schofield [hidden email] On 15 Nov 2013, at 19:58, Martin Saffron [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] [hidden email] wrote: Hello I recently joined the LibreOffice documentation mailing list and decided to begin my contribution by updating Chapter 9 of the Draw guide (Adding And Formatting Text) to version 4.1. It has now been uploaded to the ODF Authors website for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/chapter-9-adding-and-formatting-text/view Whilst there was not a great deal that needed to be updated, there is one screen shot that will need replacing. The Special Characters dialogue box (Figure 8, on page 9) in the version I am using (LibreOffice 4.1.3.2 on Windows 8.1) is re-organised, with clickable action boxes now found at the bottom of window, along with a new 'Delete Last' box added. I recall reading in the instructional documentation that screen shots from Mac or Linux operating systems are preferable to those from Windows. As such, I hope that someone will be able to update the screen shot on my behalf. I also wonder whether the slightly different placement of tabs in the Graphic Styles dialogue box (Figure 10, on page 12) would necessitate replacement of the screen shot. The 'Text' and 'Text Animation' tabs are on the second row in the version I am using but this seems a minor detail. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083378.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email [hidden email] To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield [hidden email] -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083444.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083478.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email ml-node+s969070n1645240...@n3.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:37 PM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: I have been upgrading the Draw (4.1) and will complete the remaining chapters fairly quickly. Then it will be onto the Calc Guide to bring up to 4.1. The Calc chapters are being upgraded to 4.0 by other volunteers. I shall then upgrade the chapters to 4.1 so that the Calc Guide has the same look and feel throughout the guide. After that I will be moving onto the Impress Guide which is now at 4.0 to upgrade to 4.1 maybe 4.2. Just have to wait and see. I think the best bet is to move onto the other LO modules because I think there is a shortage of volunteers to upgrade the remaining modules. I am sure Jean will advise which is the best to have a go at. On 16 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Martin Saffron [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4083478...@n3.nabble.com wrote: I've just taken another look at the publications page (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications) and would like advice as to which area I can begin work on. Is the objective to bring all guides up to date (4.1.x branch) or are 4.0.x guides sufficient? Jean here. General comment to Martin: We've been tending to skip a point release for Getting Started and the Writer Guide, because we haven't been able to keep them updated fast enough while at the same time improving the content, not just updating it. Calc Guide is something of an orphan and, as you can see, hasn't been updated since v3.4. The objective at this point is to finish the Calc Guide to 4.1 and start updating GS and WG to v4.2. The first beta of LO 4.2 is due out next week (see Release Plan, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/4.2 and the Release Notes, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2 So, my suggestions to you are: 1) Go through Chapters 5, 6, 12, 13 of Calc Guide (currently listed as LO v4.0) to see if anything needs changing for v4.1 -- or if anything wasn't updated correctly from v3.4 to v 4.0. Also Appendix C hasn't been updated from v3.4; you could do that. Other chapters have already been updated to v4.1, but Peter hasn't been through all of them for look and feel updates. People are working on Ch14 and Appendixes A and B. I'm really hoping to get that book done by the end of November. 2) Start identifying which chapter of Getting Started and/or other books will need updating for v4.2. Add info to this page: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks Also would be useful to go through the existing GS book to see what else needs updating or improvement. PLEASE NOTE: Most chapters in this book cover material also included in other books, though topics and level of detail vary. Therefore, noting necessary updates changes in chapter lists for other books is very helpful. 3) I am still looking for one or more people to help with updating the Base Handbook, which was translated from German to English. In this case, the work involves translating new material that was added to the German handbook for v4.1. If you are interested in helping with this work, I can provide more info point you to the relevant files. 4) Work on Base Guide (different book, written from scratch in English). If you're interested in that, I'll provide more info. I'm in the middle of rationalizing chapters of that book following recent work by Dan Lewis (and earlier work that I've neglected to follow up on). --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide, Chapter 9
Hello Martin We are at cross purposes here. I am updating the Draw Guide to Version 4.1 which means two of us were working on the same chapter. I shall now use your version to complete Chapter 9 and reissue onto the ODF Authors website. This will mean that Chapter 10 11 will follow very quickly. With regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 15 Nov 2013, at 19:58, Martin Saffron [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4083378...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Hello I recently joined the LibreOffice documentation mailing list and decided to begin my contribution by updating Chapter 9 of the Draw guide (Adding And Formatting Text) to version 4.1. It has now been uploaded to the ODF Authors website for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/chapter-9-adding-and-formatting-text/view Whilst there was not a great deal that needed to be updated, there is one screen shot that will need replacing. The Special Characters dialogue box (Figure 8, on page 9) in the version I am using (LibreOffice 4.1.3.2 on Windows 8.1) is re-organised, with clickable action boxes now found at the bottom of window, along with a new 'Delete Last' box added. I recall reading in the instructional documentation that screen shots from Mac or Linux operating systems are preferable to those from Windows. As such, I hope that someone will be able to update the screen shot on my behalf. I also wonder whether the slightly different placement of tabs in the Graphic Styles dialogue box (Figure 10, on page 12) would necessitate replacement of the screen shot. The 'Text' and 'Text Animation' tabs are on the second row in the version I am using but this seems a minor detail. Regards, Martin -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083378.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email ml-node+s969070n1645240...@n3.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083444.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 8 Connections, Flowcharts and Organization Charts is now available in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-08-connections-flowcharts-and-organization-charts/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083121.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Chapters 7 and 8 of the Draw Guide v4.1 have been published after minor editing by me. As always, they are available for further review by others. --Jean On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 8 Connections, Flowcharts and Organization Charts is now available in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-08-connections-flowcharts-and-organization-charts/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4083121.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Chapter 7 Working with 3D Objects as now available on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comments. It has been rewritten to incorporate the comments and suggestions from Regina. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-07-working-with-3d-objects/view I have been a little quiet lately, but other matters have been tackling precedence on my time. I am slowly building back up to having time for LO duties. With regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4082054.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Regina (again you say;-))) Your explanation has helped tremendously. I shall now create two separate sections for Chap 7 Working with 3D Objects. With regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 13 Oct 2013, at 16:10, Regina Henschel [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077877...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Hi Peter, PeeWee schrieb: Hello Regina My German is very limited - no problem in German bars and restaurants and paying there bill. I did spend two years in Hamburg and learnt some German from the people I became friends with. However that was a long time ago. I still struggling with English. My written English is often strange and it is difficult for me to understand spoken English. You have made 3D objects a little clearer with your explanation. What puzzles me is why is there such a complication with 3D objects? Let's go back in history. In StarOffice and in the sequel in OOo1 only some kind of shapes exists. The status bar shows in the left field, which kind of object it is. For example, you will see Rectangle selected or Callout selected or Parallelogram selected or Bézier curve selected ... This draw objects can be turned to 3D objects. The methods are rotation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution) and extrusion (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrusion_%28Geometrie%29; I find no English one). There exists a 3D engine with a lot of features, but the UI is confusing and bad designed, not changed since StarOffice times. The UI is in great want of refresh and redesign. These classical draw objects were not able to store the features of the Autoforms of Microsoft Office. Therefore a new kind of shapes were implemented in OOo2, the so called custom shapes. They got the ability to contain informations, how they should be rendered as 3D-extrusion-object. And they got a new UI for setting this properties. For all the different custom shapes you get only the one string shape selected in the status bar. At the same time the Fontwork gallery was introduced. From a technical view, that are custom shapes as well. Once a 2D object is extruded into 3D then you should be able to use all the tools that are available for the ready made 3D objects. The ready made 3D objects are not only simple 3D objects, but they are 3D scenes. You cannot have such 3D object without a root 3D scene. Such 3D scene cannot include custom shapes. There is no way to write such thing into the file format. And there exists no requests to change the spec in this direction. If you convert a custom shape by the tools To 3D or To 3D rotation object they are converted to a polygon or to a curve first, but the user is not notified about that. Therefore the 3D dialog is not suitable for custom shapes. To get a deeper understanding of this very different kind of objects, it might be worth reading the spec, section 10.5 3D Shapes and 10.6 Custom Shape. [http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html] This complication makes it a difficult thing to get across simple enough for a novice user to understand, so your help will be appreciated. I agree, that is a challenge. In contrast to the old German version, I now would make two strictly independent sections, one for 3D Shapes and a new section covering all the properties and handlings of Custom Shapes. There exists not only their special way of extruding, but also the yellow handles to vary the shapes, and they differ in the way text is used. You can even write your own custom shapes, but sadly their is no UI for that, but you have to write into the file directly. I had a talk about it last FOSDEM. The current drawing toolbar in LO makes it more complicate. OOo had the classical rectangle and ellipse in the toolbar, and you could turn them into 3D shapes. But the current drawing toolbar has dropped them, and instead has included the custom shapes Rectangle and Ellipse which are already in the drop-down list Basic shapes of the custom shapes. To use the classical shapes, you have to customize the toolbar first. The consequence of which is, that users do not get the properties they are used to, rounded corners for example. If you have questions about the shapes, please ask. I do not have time enough to write a full text, but will comment on single problems. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello I have withdrawn Version 4.1 Chapter 7. Due to information from one of our German colleagues (Regina), this chapter needs alteration to distinguish the two main types of 3D objects that are available. At the moment, the present chapter does not explain it clearly enough. Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077970.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, I have put a version with further comments into the Feedback folder. Kind regards Regina PeeWee schrieb: Hello I have withdrawn Version 4.1 Chapter 7. Due to information from one of our German colleagues (Regina), this chapter needs alteration to distinguish the two main types of 3D objects that are available. At the moment, the present chapter does not explain it clearly enough. Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077970.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Regina My German is very limited - no problem in German bars and restaurants and paying there bill. I did spend two years in Hamburg and learnt some German from the people I became friends with. However that was a long time ago. You have made 3D objects a little clearer with your explanation. What puzzles me is why is there such a complication with 3D objects? Once a 2D object is extruded into 3D then you should be able to use all the tools that are available for the ready made 3D objects. This complication makes it a difficult thing to get across simple enough for a novice user to understand, so your help will be appreciated. Send me the German version to my email address. I will run it through a machine translation where I do not understand. A translation is never perfect and I am used to sorting out translations into English from my time with Oki when I worked with all the European languages. With regards Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org On 13 Oct 2013, at 00:18, Regina Henschel [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] ml-node+s969070n4077814...@n3.nabble.com wrote: Hi Peter, I belong to the authors of this part in the German version www.openoffice.org/de/doc/oooauthors/ooo-draw-handbuch.pdf I now see, that all my efforts to distinguish between the so called custom shapes and the classical (from OOo1) primitive shapes are lost and that there is a large confusion in the descriptions and figures. Only custom shapes can use Extrusion on/off. The objects of the Fontwork gallery are custom shapes too. Custom shapes remain custom shapes even when extruded to 3D. This kind of extrusion is a special state of a custom shapes. Therefore you can turn extrusion on and off. Only classical primitive shapes can be turned into true 3D Scenes. Such a 3D Scene and the 3D objects in it are different kind of objects. There is no way back to the generating 2D shape. Extruded custom shapes and true 3D objects have different tools and are stored different in file format. It is no good idea to mix them up in the guide. The icon has the label Extrusion on/off but the icon To 3D does also extrude. Therefore the word extrusion is not suitable to distinguish between them. Do you understand German, so that you can read the German Draw-Handbuch? Kind regards Regina PeeWee schrieb: Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 7 Working with 3D Objects is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-07-working-with-3d-objects/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield [hidden email] -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077765.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077814.html To start a new topic under Documentation, email ml-node+s969070n1645240...@n3.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Documentation, click here. NAML - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077833.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, Am 13.10.2013 09:32, schrieb PeeWee: Hello Regina again The link in your email does not work. I didn't follow the thread but maybe here you can find what you search for: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/deutsch/arbeitsordner/Archiv_alte_OOo_Dokumente/draw -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ http://de.libreoffice.org http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, PeeWee schrieb: Hello Regina My German is very limited - no problem in German bars and restaurants and paying there bill. I did spend two years in Hamburg and learnt some German from the people I became friends with. However that was a long time ago. I still struggling with English. My written English is often strange and it is difficult for me to understand spoken English. You have made 3D objects a little clearer with your explanation. What puzzles me is why is there such a complication with 3D objects? Let's go back in history. In StarOffice and in the sequel in OOo1 only some kind of shapes exists. The status bar shows in the left field, which kind of object it is. For example, you will see Rectangle selected or Callout selected or Parallelogram selected or Bézier curve selected ... This draw objects can be turned to 3D objects. The methods are rotation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_of_revolution) and extrusion (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrusion_%28Geometrie%29; I find no English one). There exists a 3D engine with a lot of features, but the UI is confusing and bad designed, not changed since StarOffice times. The UI is in great want of refresh and redesign. These classical draw objects were not able to store the features of the Autoforms of Microsoft Office. Therefore a new kind of shapes were implemented in OOo2, the so called custom shapes. They got the ability to contain informations, how they should be rendered as 3D-extrusion-object. And they got a new UI for setting this properties. For all the different custom shapes you get only the one string shape selected in the status bar. At the same time the Fontwork gallery was introduced. From a technical view, that are custom shapes as well. Once a 2D object is extruded into 3D then you should be able to use all the tools that are available for the ready made 3D objects. The ready made 3D objects are not only simple 3D objects, but they are 3D scenes. You cannot have such 3D object without a root 3D scene. Such 3D scene cannot include custom shapes. There is no way to write such thing into the file format. And there exists no requests to change the spec in this direction. If you convert a custom shape by the tools To 3D or To 3D rotation object they are converted to a polygon or to a curve first, but the user is not notified about that. Therefore the 3D dialog is not suitable for custom shapes. To get a deeper understanding of this very different kind of objects, it might be worth reading the spec, section 10.5 3D Shapes and 10.6 Custom Shape. [http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html] This complication makes it a difficult thing to get across simple enough for a novice user to understand, so your help will be appreciated. I agree, that is a challenge. In contrast to the old German version, I now would make two strictly independent sections, one for 3D Shapes and a new section covering all the properties and handlings of Custom Shapes. There exists not only their special way of extruding, but also the yellow handles to vary the shapes, and they differ in the way text is used. You can even write your own custom shapes, but sadly their is no UI for that, but you have to write into the file directly. I had a talk about it last FOSDEM. The current drawing toolbar in LO makes it more complicate. OOo had the classical rectangle and ellipse in the toolbar, and you could turn them into 3D shapes. But the current drawing toolbar has dropped them, and instead has included the custom shapes Rectangle and Ellipse which are already in the drop-down list Basic shapes of the custom shapes. To use the classical shapes, you have to customize the toolbar first. The consequence of which is, that users do not get the properties they are used to, rounded corners for example. If you have questions about the shapes, please ask. I do not have time enough to write a full text, but will comment on single problems. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hi Peter, I belong to the authors of this part in the German version www.openoffice.org/de/doc/oooauthors/ooo-draw-handbuch.pdf I now see, that all my efforts to distinguish between the so called custom shapes and the classical (from OOo1) primitive shapes are lost and that there is a large confusion in the descriptions and figures. Only custom shapes can use Extrusion on/off. The objects of the Fontwork gallery are custom shapes too. Custom shapes remain custom shapes even when extruded to 3D. This kind of extrusion is a special state of a custom shapes. Therefore you can turn extrusion on and off. Only classical primitive shapes can be turned into true 3D Scenes. Such a 3D Scene and the 3D objects in it are different kind of objects. There is no way back to the generating 2D shape. Extruded custom shapes and true 3D objects have different tools and are stored different in file format. It is no good idea to mix them up in the guide. The icon has the label Extrusion on/off but the icon To 3D does also extrude. Therefore the word extrusion is not suitable to distinguish between them. Do you understand German, so that you can read the German Draw-Handbuch? Kind regards Regina PeeWee schrieb: Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 7 Working with 3D Objects is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comments. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-07-working-with-3d-objects/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4077765.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 6 Editing Pictures is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch06-editing-pictures/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4071798.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 4 Changing Object Attributes is the the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch04-changing-object-attributes/view Enjoy PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4069974.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Draw Guide v4.1 Preface and Chapters 1, 2, 3 have been published. I made trivial changes to all but Ch3, in which I did a bit more copyediting. Thanks for the good work, Peter. --Jean On 05/08/2013, at 3:26, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 3 Working with Objects and Object Points is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-03-working-with-objects-and-object-points/view Regards PeterS -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Version 4.1 Draw Guide
Hello Version 4.1 of the Draw Guide Chapter 3 Working with Objects and Object Points is now in the Drafts LO4.1 folder on the ODF Authors website ready for review and comment. http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/draw-guide/draft-lo4.1/dg-ch-03-working-with-objects-and-object-points/view Regards PeterS - Peter Schofield psaut...@libreoffice.org -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-4-1-Draw-Guide-tp4068532p4068871.html Sent from the Documentation mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
