Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-06 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, jr wrote: 2. Clearer organisation for data and settings saved by apps would be great. Whenever I look for data or settings saved by an app, I need to google to find out which folder that app saves its data and settings to. yes, things used to be easier before the

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-04 Thread Natalie Hooper
I go away for about 24 hours and come back to what I was hoping in the first place, ie other people's lists :-) @Tim: I like the way you summed up the problem of choice for a new user and I like the idea of recommendations from the distro maintainers. @jr: I think it's great for those who know a

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-04 Thread Justin Stringfellow
Re: OpenOffice, I'm curious to know what will happen to it now that it's been bought by Oracle. I've heard that it's going to be forked. Anybody knows about that? See: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/28/openoffice_independence_from_oracle/ Open sourcers have seized control of the

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-04 Thread John Carlyle-Clarke
On 04/11/10 08:59, Justin Stringfellow wrote: Re: OpenOffice, I'm curious to know what will happen to it now that it's been bought by Oracle. I've heard that it's going to be forked. Anybody knows about that? See: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/28/openoffice_independence_from_oracle/

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-04 Thread John Carlyle-Clarke
On Wed, Nov 03, 2010 at 11:36:25PM +, jr wrote: On 3 November 2010 10:31, John Carlyle-Clarke j...@wormdrive.net wrote: My list would be: (2) Create something to rival and improve on Remote Desktop on Windows.  VNC, remote X11 and No Machine don't quite do it, although all of them are

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-04 Thread jr
hi John, I use rdesktop to connect to Windows machines a lot, but AFAIK there is no Linux server for this protocol. a quick google on 'linux rdp server' found xrdp: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/ and the following comments: http://www.whenpenguinsattack.com/2006/04/19/rdp-server-for-linux/

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-04 Thread Terry Coles
On Thursday 04 Nov 2010, Justin Stringfellow wrote: Re: OpenOffice, I'm curious to know what will happen to it now that it's been bought by Oracle. I've heard that it's going to be forked. Anybody knows about that? See:

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread John Carlyle-Clarke
On 02/11/10 08:45, Natalie Hooper wrote: Just wondering if any of you read Linux Format's 24 Things we'd change about Linux (issue 137) and what your thoughts were? It got me thinking about what I'd like to see changed in Linux so I wrote a blog post about it (see link below).

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread Justin Stringfellow
(1) Create a way to share files between machines on a LAN really easily that doesn't hang the system if the network goes away. SAMBA is too complex. sshfs can hang a whole machine if a network goes down. NFS soft mounts? cheers, --justin -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum,

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread John Carlyle-Clarke
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Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread jr
hi Natalie, I never said automated GUIs. CLI options can be presented in a GUI with documentation available when you click the ? button for example. There is no need to dumb anything down, just to be a bit more graphical in the way an app interact with the user (who may choose to use the CLI

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread Simon P Smith
On 03/11/2010 12:41, jr wrote: I'd suggest that one area where we would benefit from improvements is better integration with Windoze, particularly the MS Exchange/Outlook combo (as mentioned earlier, though that's obviously not Linux kernel territory). I wondered about this for a while and

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread jr
On 3 November 2010 12:49, Simon P Smith simon.sm...@askitsdone.co.uk wrote:  I wondered about this for a while and then discovered the lightening plugin for thundebird. Now I have multiple networked calendars (including some google ones) integrated and shared with free/busy time (caldav).  

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread Justin Stringfellow
On 03/11/2010 12:41, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: On 03/11/10 11:04, Justin Stringfellow wrote: (1) Create a way to share files between machines on a LAN really easily that doesn't hang the system if the network goes away. SAMBA is too complex. sshfs can hang a whole machine if a network goes

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread John Cooper
On 03/11/10 15:22, Justin Stringfellow wrote: sounds like you need the automounter, then! I dunno if it's the same on linux, but on solaris, the default automount configuration allows you to browse any other nfs server on your network via /net/hostname/nfs_share without prior configuration.

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-03 Thread jr
On 3 November 2010 10:31, John Carlyle-Clarke j...@wormdrive.net wrote: My list would be: (2) Create something to rival and improve on Remote Desktop on Windows.  VNC, remote X11 and No Machine don't quite do it, although all of them are good in some ways. have you tried 'rdesktop(1)' John?

[Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Natalie Hooper
Just wondering if any of you read Linux Format's 24 Things we'd change about Linux (issue 137) and what your thoughts were? It got me thinking about what I'd like to see changed in Linux so I wrote a blog post about it (see link below).

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 02/11/10 08:45, Natalie Hooper wrote: I'd like to know your thoughts about this, what you agree/disagree with, what you would add etc. Hi Natalie, See comment number two! Sean -- music, film, comics, books, rants and drivel: www.funkygibbins.me.uk -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel,

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread jr
On 2 November 2010 08:45, Natalie Hooper nataliehoo...@virginmedia.com wrote: I'd like to know your thoughts about this, what you agree/disagree with, what you would add etc. 1. Why are apps packaged differently for different distros? Rpm, deb etc I’d like to see an open standard for this.

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Natalie Hooper
Thanks for your comments both on here and on the blog. Just to be clear, I'm not talking about stuff that stops ME from using Linux but I'm talking about stuff that makes it confusing for new users/turn off new users. If you truly believe that open source software is the only ethical way to

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 02/11/10 13:43, jr wrote: On 2 November 2010 12:40, John Cooper l...@discoverlinux.co.uk wrote: packages (DEB is NOT the defacto standard as someone posted). where did you read that?? Debian packages are standard Unix ar archives that include two gzipped, bzipped or lzmaed tar archives:

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Natalie Hooper
@Sean - I've been using Linux since 2005, though I didn't use it at all in 2008/early 2009. As stated before, these things don't stop ME from using Linux/Ubuntu/whatever app I use, but from my experience, they stop new users from using Linux/Ubuntu. I'm not sure where you understand that I wanted

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread John Carlyle-Clarke
On 02/11/10 08:45, Natalie Hooper wrote: Just wondering if any of you read Linux Format's 24 Things we'd change about Linux (issue 137) and what your thoughts were? It got me thinking about what I'd like to see changed in Linux so I wrote a blog post about it (see link below).

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread jr
Natalie, think cars. do you believe that having made driving easier, ie more user friendly (with synchro-mesh'd clutches and automated everything), drivers have become more competent, ie safer drivers? computing is very similar, IMO. yes, 'pure' users (ie someone employed to use one or two

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Natalie Hooper
@jr - I don't drive myself so your analogy is kind of lost on me ;-) I do get your point however but I would also add that most users do not want to be better computer administrators, they use a computer to actually get something done (type a report, email their family, print a picture, record

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 02/11/10 14:14, Natalie Hooper wrote: @Sean - I've been using Linux since 2005, though I didn't use it at all in 2008/early 2009. As stated before, these things don't stop ME from using Linux/Ubuntu/whatever app I use, but from my experience, they stop new users from using Linux/Ubuntu.

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Natalie Hooper
I agree with you that Linux has come a long way and that it is a massive achievement. I started using Linux (Debian) in 2004 or 2005 (can't remember exactly), I stopped using it at end of 2007 because it was too unstable to record music on (after recording a full album using Ardour, I gave up). I

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Sean Gibbins
On 02/11/10 17:26, Natalie Hooper wrote: I think some of you are really misunderstanding my purpose here. My purpose isn't to diss Linux, or to complain about it, but to constructively throw ideas as to how to improve its user-friendliness. Now, if you don't want it to become more

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Bryn Jones
On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 18:20 +, Sean Gibbins wrote: Leading on from that, one more (hopefully pertinent) question: why does Linux need to change beyond the continuous improvement we already see? I'll qualify that further by asking anyone answering it to step back from this release or

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Andrew R Paterson
On Tuesday 02 November 2010, Natalie Hooper wrote: @Sean - I've been using Linux since 2005, though I didn't use it at all in 2008/early 2009. As stated before, these things don't stop ME from using Linux/Ubuntu/whatever app I use, but from my experience, they stop new users from using

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread Keith Edmunds
On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:52:55 +, s...@funkygibbins.me.uk said: And latterly rpms too... Absolutely (sorry, I should have made that clear). My comment was in response to ...package managers such as synaptic are built on top of rpm. -- Next meeting: Crown Hotel, Blandford Forum, Tuesday

Re: [Dorset] 10 Things I'd change in linux

2010-11-02 Thread John Cooper
On 02/11/10 17:26, Natalie Hooper wrote: I think some of you are really misunderstanding my purpose here. My purpose isn't to diss Linux, or to complain about it, but to constructively throw ideas as to how to improve its user-friendliness. I didn't think it was. All valid questions but some