Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-11-05 Thread Simon P Smith
On 03/11/2012 08:20, Terry Coles wrote: Remember the Open Standards Consultation that took place in the Spring? Part of the discussion is below. Well the Consultation worked! The new Government Policy on Open Standards has been published and FSFE is *very* impressed! See:

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-11-05 Thread Terry Coles
On Monday 05 Nov 2012 14:28:39 Simon P Smith wrote: On 03/11/2012 08:20, Terry Coles wrote: Remember the Open Standards Consultation that took place in the Spring? Part of the discussion is below. Well the Consultation worked! The new Government Policy on Open Standards has been

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-11-05 Thread Keith Edmunds
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:46:13 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: Well since I posted that there have been some rumbles that the Policy doesn't apply to COTS software By COTS, do you mean commercial off the shelf? If so, where did you hear that? -- We're looking for smart Linux people:

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-11-05 Thread Terry Coles
On Monday 05 Nov 2012 19:31:56 Keith Edmunds wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:46:13 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: Well since I posted that there have been some rumbles that the Policy doesn't apply to COTS software By COTS, do you mean commercial off the shelf? If so, where did you

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-11-03 Thread Terry Coles
Hi, Remember the Open Standards Consultation that took place in the Spring? Part of the discussion is below. Well the Consultation worked! The new Government Policy on Open Standards has been published and FSFE is *very* impressed! See: http://fsfe.org/news/2012/news-20121101-02.en.html

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-05-01 Thread Mark Elkins
Importantly as a result of :http://digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2012/04/26/open-standards-consultation- important-update/ the time limit for responses for the Cabinet Office Open Standards Consultation has now been extended to 4th June 2012. I was at one of the Cabinet Office Consultations

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-04-29 Thread Terry Coles
On Saturday 31 Mar 2012 12:31:12 Terry Coles wrote: On Tuesday 27 Mar 2012 11:10:27 c...@pampru.org wrote: This 'Consultation' will support the lobbing giants as I am sure it is designed to do. I am keeping my eyes, and hopes, on developing Open Source offerings. You could be right

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-04-29 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Terry, Well you were right: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/27/microsoft-government- consultation. KMail splits your URLs on hyphens BTW. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209030 Though I suspect the list's readers are capable of handling two bits to paste. :-) Cheers,

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-04-29 Thread cam
Well, there you go... The only way for Open Source to compete is to produce ONE software suit strong enough to challenge the dominance and powerful strangle-hold of the giants right across citizens, businesses, and governments worldwide. The tendency amongst Linux/Open Source developers

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-04-29 Thread Terry Coles
On Sunday 29 Apr 2012 14:40:48 you wrote: The only way for Open Source to compete is to produce ONE software suit strong enough to challenge the dominance and powerful strangle-hold of the giants right across citizens, businesses, and governments worldwide. I can't agree with that, because

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-04-02 Thread Mark Elkins
) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:42:45 +0100 From: Terry Coles d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk Subject: Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT To: Dorset Linux User Group dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk Message-ID: 6471691.jZCUBdry2V@beige Content-Type: text

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-31 Thread Terry Coles
On Tuesday 27 Mar 2012 11:10:27 c...@pampru.org wrote: This 'Consultation' will support the lobbing giants as I am sure it is designed to do. I am keeping my eyes, and hopes, on developing Open Source offerings. You could be right

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-27 Thread cam
There is one reliable rule when judging which way these things go - look for where the money is! There is no cashflow from Open Document Format. There is, however, 'lobbying' (and all that entails!) from the big commercial companies, so the result is entirely predictable. I downloaded

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-26 Thread Mark Elkins
@mailman.lug.org.uk Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012, 9:09 Subject: Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT On Saturday 24 Mar 2012 21:04:39 Mark Elkins wrote: From what I can make out - the pressure for further consultation on Open Standards actually originated in part from BIS

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-26 Thread Terry Coles
On Monday 26 Mar 2012 12:13:37 Mark Elkins wrote: The Open Source Consortium (OSC) http://www.opensourceconsortium.org/ are mentioning the http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2012/01/microsoft-hustled -uk-retreat-o.html again in their blog. Just a thought but you might find

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-25 Thread Terry Coles
On Saturday 24 Mar 2012 21:04:39 Mark Elkins wrote: From what I can make out - the pressure for further consultation on Open Standards actually originated in part from BIS (Vince Cable's Dept) if this is correct: http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2012/01/microsoft-hustled-

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-24 Thread David Neylan
Thanks for posting about this. I am a West Dorset Kubuntu user and I have just joined your mailing list and I was totally unaware of the consultation. After a quick read I realise that I need to know a lot more to make an informed response. I was unable to come to the last meeting in

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-24 Thread Terry Coles
On Saturday 24 Mar 2012 11:20:08 David Neylan wrote: Thanks for posting about this. I am a West Dorset Kubuntu user and I have just joined your mailing list and I was totally unaware of the consultation. After a quick read I realise that I need to know a lot more to make an informed

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-24 Thread Mark Elkins
Terry From what I can make out - the pressure for further consultation on Open Standards actually originated in part from BIS (Vince Cable's Dept) if this is correct: http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2012/01/microsoft-hustled-uk-retreat-o.html Mark Elkins -- Next meeting:

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-03-23 Thread Terry Coles
On Wednesday 28 Dec 2011 12:06:09 Terry Coles wrote: On Wednesday 28 Dec 2011 11:14:30 Simon P Smith wrote: The withdrawal of PPN 3/11 is a scandal! I was using it to try and get some non-M$ products into a government project - looks like that particular prop to my case has been well

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-01-09 Thread Terry Coles
On Saturday 24 Dec 2011 08:56:37 Terry Coles wrote: See http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2011/12/uk-government- open-standards-the-great-betrayal-of-2012/index.htm. There's vague talk of a new definition of what is Open, but until then, there is no longer a definition, so

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-01-04 Thread Simon P Smith
On 01/01/2012 14:14, Mark Elkins wrote: o. Sounds good. I'll send you details across next week once I'm back in contact with HMG about this. Appreciate that Mark. I am back in office today and looked at that good practise guide (OSS) - published in June 2011 which is why I may have missed

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-01-01 Thread Mark Elkins
networking event. (c...@pampru.org)   3. Re: Wimborne networking event. (C A Wills) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:40:52 + (GMT) From: Mark Elkins markelkins...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2012-01-01 Thread Mark Elkins
Simon Few recent links on CESG and Open Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/government-computing-network/2011/nov/08/cesg-open-source-security However in http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-source-procurement-toolkit as of yet no public access to

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2011-12-31 Thread Mark Elkins
Simon Apologies for not replying sooner. I know some progress has been made with regard to CESG and Open Source and will dig out a few links on this. Enterprise Architect civil servants for info. Sounds good. I'll send you details across next week once I'm back in contact with HMG about

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2011-12-28 Thread Terry Coles
On Wednesday 28 Dec 2011 11:14:30 Simon P Smith wrote: The withdrawal of PPN 3/11 is a scandal! I was using it to try and get some non-M$ products into a government project - looks like that particular prop to my case has been well and truly kicked out :( Can I suggest that you write to

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2011-12-28 Thread Mark Elkins
Simon From: Simon P Smith simon.sm...@askitsdone.co.uk Subject: Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT To: dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk Message-ID: 4efafa16.6000...@askitsdone.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The withdrawal of PPN 3/11

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2011-12-28 Thread Terry Coles
On Wednesday 28 Dec 2011 13:31:52 Mark Elkins wrote: Just for the record I've looked at this recent statement about Open Standards and feel its more about getting the statement bullet proof as opposed to actually dropping intention to make greater use of (Free and) Open Source. Hmm. You're

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2011-12-28 Thread Terry Coles
On Wednesday 28 Dec 2011 13:47:03 Terry Coles wrote: On Wednesday 28 Dec 2011 13:31:52 Mark Elkins wrote: Just for the record I've looked at this recent statement about Open Standards and feel its more about getting the statement bullet proof as opposed to actually dropping intention to

Re: [Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2011-12-28 Thread Simon P Smith
Mark, On 28/12/11 13:31, Mark Elkins wrote: Are you willing to supply some more info about this because as far as I know HMG still want to use Open Source? For example I am organizing a series of internal HM Government events for Senior Civil servants on Open Source as Chair of the BCS Open

[Dorset] OT: Cabinet Office Ditches Open Standards in IT

2011-12-24 Thread Terry Coles
See http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2011/12/uk-government- open-standards-the-great-betrayal-of-2012/index.htm. There's vague talk of a new definition of what is Open, but until then, there is no longer a definition, so anything goes. I know I get a bit heated about these