Re: [Dorset] I'm Having Trouble with apscheduler and pytz Under bullseye
OK, so we've fixed the "I can't install zoneinfo" problem. I'll let someone else battle whatever the remaining problem is. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: Follow: https://www.facebook.com/KMBEngland On Friday go to: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2022-01-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] I'm Having Trouble with apscheduler and pytz Under bullseye
> No specific new error, just thsame as before. Terry, I'm trying to help you here but you need to help me. Let's try one more time: what error do you get when you try to import zoneinfo? I get this: $ ipython3 Python 3.9.2 (default, Feb 28 2021, 17:03:44) Type 'copyright', 'credits' or 'license' for more information IPython 7.20.0 -- An enhanced Interactive Python. Type '?' for help. In [1]: import zoneinfo In [2]: -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: Follow: https://www.facebook.com/KMBEngland On Friday go to: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2022-01-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] I'm Having Trouble with apscheduler and pytz Under bullseye
I read all the replies in this thread but didn't see what error you got when you tried to import zoneinfo. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: Follow: https://www.facebook.com/KMBEngland On Friday go to: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2022-01-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] I'm Having Trouble with apscheduler and pytz Under bullseye
> when I tried to install zoneinfo it failed zoneinfo is part of the Python Standard Library, so you shouldn't need to install it. > from zoneinfo import ZoneInfo > > to the program and still got the error. What error do you get? -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: Follow: https://www.facebook.com/KMBEngland On Friday go to: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2022-01-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problem Mounting Memory Stick on Raspberry Pi
> $ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb/ -o uid=pi,gid=pi Tell it the filesystem type (-t ext2) and then check in dmesg to see what it doesn't like. Maybe your pi doesn't support ext2? -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: Follow: https://www.facebook.com/KMBEngland On Friday go to: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-12-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Xed V's Mousepad
On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 10:31:41 +0100, zir...@xendistar.co.uk said: > I have been trawling through an old MySQL database and as it archived > Archive Manager was using Xed to look at the file What format is the file? (Hint: at command line, type 'file filename') > In the end I did a simple CTRL-A of the whole data base and then copied > and pasted it into Mousepad Presumably you selected the whole of the database dump file rather than the database? > Was it faster pasting it into Mousepad simply because I had copied the > text out and into Mouse pad and xed was dealing all the SQL stuff. I've never used (or even heard of) Xed before today, but it doesn't seem to deal with SQL. Do you mean syntax highlighting? If so, it's possible - syntax highlighting will have a processing overhead, although I don't know how efficient Xed is at doing that. Some editors (eg, vim) will only process syntax for what's displayed; others will parse the whole file. The latter approach will clearly be slower on initial load, but faster to scroll. How big is the dump file? -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: Follow: https://www.facebook.com/KMBEngland On Friday go to: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-08-03 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Chromium no Longer Stores Passwords on Kubuntu
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 12:28:36 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > Are you using it as an extension or as a full installation into Linux? Both. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-07-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Chromium no Longer Stores Passwords on Kubuntu
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 10:40:22 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > first bitwarden has to be explicitly unlocked each time the browser is used. Each time the browser is restarted, not each time it's used. > The second issue is that it doesn't work when logging in to Google > itself. Unlike most sites, the login process for Google is two part; > enter the email address, click Next and then enter the password. I > think the problem is that bitwarden knows nothing about the two step > process and so offers the email address at the password step. I've had it work successfully on that kind of login, but next time I'll pay more attention to how it works. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-07-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Chromium no Longer Stores Passwords on Kubuntu
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 10:19:56 +0100, petermerch...@hotmail.com said: > to see if it works across multiple devices It does. I'm using it on two Linux systems, my MacBook and my Android phone. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-07-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Chromium no Longer Stores Passwords on Kubuntu
On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 12:22:42 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > I'm left with two choices; post a bug on Launchpad or abandon Chromium. Or use something like Bitwarden. Open Source, runs on Linux, Windows, Mac, Android, IoS. Automatically syncs. Can be self-hosted if you're paranoid, but you don't need to. And your passwords belong to you, not Google or Mozilla. https://bitwarden.com/ -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-07-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Monitor Pings on WiFi Interface
Smokeping is a daemon, so no X needed. The (optional) display is simply a web page, so no X needed. The notifications don't need X. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-06-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Monitor Pings on WiFi Interface
Smokeping is your friend: https://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/ Demo: https://oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping-demo/?target=Customers.OP -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-06-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Android (6) and Tesco shopping app.
There are apps you can get that will allow you specify the orientation for each app you run as well as a default orientation. You can even force "portrait only" apps to run in landscape, and vice versa. -- Great music, chat and even some wit. Join me every Friday evening at 8pm for Keith's Music Box: https://www.mixcloud.com/live/KeithsMusicBox/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-06-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Links from 2021-05-04's Pub Meet.
Nice summary, thank you Ralph. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-06-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] SSD system
On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 12:59:55 +, gra...@gemmill.name said: > 1. I understand that the BTR file system may be better than ext4 for > SSDs Not heard that before. All our SSD systems run on ext4. What problem is "better" solving for you? > #rsync -av /opt/ /mnt/nasdata/ >/mnt/nasdata/opt.txt > #rsync -av /local/ /mnt/nasdata/ >/mnt/nasdata/local.txt > $rsync -av /virt/ /mnt/nasdata/ >/mnt/nasdata/virt.txt That will put all files and directories from the three sources all together in /mnt/nasdata. That probably isn't what you want: you may prefer to omit the trailing slash from the source directories, which will then rsync the directories themselves rather than their contents. Overall, I'd say you're doing what's easily done: you're over-thinking it. An SSD system mostly doesn't need to be treated any differently to a rotating disk one. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-04-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Failure of wireless connections again.
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:48:20 +, ci...@cewland.uk said: > Thinking of reporting this to Talktalk if it happens in 2 weeks time > again; or am I wrong in thinking it's their fault? I think you're wrong in thinking that TalkTalk will care in the sligtest, to be honest. TalkTalk have a deserved poor reputation; my advice (harsh, but I'd like to think fair): either put up with it or change ISP. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-04-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] stdout and stderr redirection weirdness
OK, this is what I would do. Check whether logger (typically /usr/bin/loggger) is installed on the system. If it is, create a script that runs at boot as follows: #!/bin/ash [if /bin/bash is available, I'd use that] /usr/bin/logger -t xyzzy "SHELL=$SHELL" /usr/bin/logger -t xyzzy "me=$(whoami)" echo "test" > /tmp/me.log /usr/bin/logger -t xyzzy "Status after file write: $?" What that does: - /usr/bin/logger makes entries in syslog, so no need to worry about writing files - "-t xyzzy" will tag each syslog entry with "xyzzy". Of course you can use any string, but that allows you to 'grep xyzzy /var/log/messages' (or wherever syslog writes) - we check the shell (is it really ash?) - we check who we are (are we really root?) - we try writing to a file and report the status of doing so Just looking at your original post, the other thing I'd change is the relative file reference. Rather than writing to ../stdout.log, just write to /tmp/stdout.log. Better still: python3 ./main.py --id "NAS" 2>&1 | tee /usr/bin/logger -t xyzzy ...and have it sent to syslog. hth -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] stdout and stderr redirection weirdness
> I'm finding that during startup piping and redirecting output doesn't > work. This is using the ash shell from busybox. By "during startup" do you mean system startup or your process startup? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Terminate a Python Program Conditionally (or Alternatively Trace a Running Program)
Have you tried debugging with pdb? I'd put a breakpoint where the code stops the player, then step through it from there. If you're not familiar with that technique it would be helpful for you to understand the difference between the debugger commands 'next' and 'step'. Let us know how you get on. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:45:46 +, ci...@cewland.uk said: > To answer your question 'no' the only Fluorescent or microwave is in the > kitchen which is not in line of sight; it's off to one side by 6m+ and > has 2 extra walls between them and the router. Never had a problem > before like that. Sounds like that's not the problem, BUT don't make the mistake of deciding what isn't causing this until you know what is. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Do you have either a fluorescent light or a microwave over anywhere near the wifi transmitter or receiver? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] Linux job
If anyone's interested in working with Linux every day, we're recruiting: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/linux-support-consultant-211/ -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Microsoft on Raspberry Pi
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:54:41 +, petermerch...@hotmail.com said: > Of course I am aware that M$ now owns Git, and this seems to me to be > underhanded extending their reach. Microsoft does not own git. Do we have to refer to "Microsoft" as "M$"? Seems unnecessary. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problem with 'full' Root partition
On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:15:59 +, ci...@cewland.uk said:
> Is there a command to show files in root and there sizes? I tried 'ls'
> but that lists only my home folder.
'ls' will list the directory you're in unless you pass an argument. So, if
you're in your home directory:
$ ls [list your home directory]
$ ls /var [list contents of /var]
You may not have permission to read the contents of other directories (for
that you may need 'sudo ls' or you can be root).
> Tried sudo cd/ no command, not found!
You need a space between the command ('cd') and the argument ('/'), so
cd /
You don't need sudo for that command. You're allowed to cd to /, and
you'll even be able to see the directories there. You may need sudo to see
inside some directories.
> 'usr' seems to be large at 5.1GB last date modified 13 Dec2019 well
> before this problem started so unlikely to be the problem?
5GB for /usr sounds about right.
Try this:
$ cd /
$ sudo du -sh * | sort -h
That will show the size of each directory in root in size order. Let's say,
for the sake of example, that /var is the biggest. Then you do:
$ cd /var
$ sudo du -sh * | sort -h
Now you can see which directories in /var are the biggest. You can repeat
the above to find the directories taking the most space.
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Re: [Dorset] Problem with 'full' Root partition
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:16:43 +, ci...@cewland.uk said: > Thanks. I've taken a copy as 'Root' into my /home/copyvartmp folder; > had to enter each folder a root. You could have just (either as root or with 'sudo' in front): # cp -a /var/tmp/* /home/copyvartmp That would copy all files and folders under /var/tmp. > what's putting them in there? And how can I stop it happening[?] Well, those two questions are related. I don't know how flatpack works - I've never used it, but maybe someone else can help (Ralph?). Generally, /var/tmp is used for ephemeral files. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-02-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problem with 'full' Root partition
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:04:35 +, ci...@cewland.uk said: > 12G /tmp/var I suspect you mean '/var/tmp' You're unlikely to need anything in there. Take a look first, but probably safe to delete. If you want to take a copy just in case, you could copy to somewhere on /home (but delete it later if you don't need it). -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-02-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Problem with 'full' Root partition
On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 18:38:21 +, ci...@cewland.uk said: > If I can't find out what is happening then I'll re-install Mint 19.2 Clive, you really, really do not need to reinstall Mint. Files in /var/tmp are, generally speaking, safe to delete. The key difference between /tmp and /var/tmp is that, by default, the former is emptied on each boot but the latter isn't. I may have missed it earlier, but the output of the following commands may help: $ df -h $ sudo du -sh /var/* -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-02-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Flask web development book
It's all available online (I think it's close to the same as the book): http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world And it's excellent. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-02-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Using Flask to render a set of Buttons.
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:06:23 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > One annoying thing when it comes to textbooks is that you cannot copy > the text in any Kindle type, so you have to type the code by hand. Install the Kindle Optimizer Pro Chrome extension. Works very well. "Adds Google Search, Translate, Copy, Text to Speech, and Alarm functionality to the Kindle Cloud Reader." -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-02-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Using Flask to render a set of Buttons.
I don't know how well you know Flask, Terry, but this is an excellent intro. It's not going to be the immediate answer to your question, though. http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-02-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Recommendations for webcam?
I'm using a Logitech C270 HD Webcam under Debian and it works perfectly. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-01-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Migrating from VirtualBox to KVM/QEMU with virt-manager
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 16:34:22 +, hamis...@live.co.uk said: > a way to move an activated Windows > install without deactivating it? Mine is an OEM copy You cannot (officially, at least) move OEM Windows to any other device. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-01-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Issues with mpg321 / mpg123 - Part 2
On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 12:08:38 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > I think that is unworthy of you. Terry, I'm not looking for fight. Sorry if I offended. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-01-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Issues with mpg321 / mpg123 - Part 2
On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 11:43:50 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > > It's Open Source software. If it doesn't scratch your itch, fix it. > > Well maybe I would if I could. Ah, the standard response to the joys of Open Source software. You might not want to fix it, but you almost certainly could. It would take time, effort, maybe tears, - like most things in life worth achieving - but you could do it. At least be honest and say you don't want to fix it badly enough to actually do it. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-01-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Issues with mpg321 / mpg123 - Part 2
On Sat, 05 Dec 2020 11:05:01 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > I can't see why anyone would want to do that. Millions of people can't understand why anyone would want to run Linux on their everyday PC. Does that make them right? > Hmmm. So the author thinks legions of people will want to play the > individual tracks multiple times but not loop the entire playlist like > every MP3 Player I've ever used. > > I can't see why anyone wouldn't want to do that. It's Open Source software. If it doesn't scratch your itch, fix it. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-01-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Issues with mpg321 / mpg123 - Part 2
How about: while :;do mpg123 -m --list playlist1.txt done -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-01-05 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] funny in python software
I've never used Kate (vim for me), but it sounds as if it is syntax-highlighting 'connect' in one file and not the other. That suggests either something else has changed so that 'connect' doesn't make sense, or there may be some non-visual problem with 'connect' (eg, an 8bit char in there or - silly examples - you've put "Connect" or "c0nnect" or something like that). Do you know / can you find out what blue highlighting means? Or - shudder - can you open the file in (g)vim and see if it looks OK there? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-12-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Paths relative to a current working directory whose path contains symbolic links
One way (which may or may not be convenient) is to run this from the shell: $ cd $(realpath .) That will set your current directory path to the path with all symlinks resolved. More info here: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/linux-tips-finding-real-path/ -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-12-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very high memory usage (ignoring cache) after being powered on for days
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:01:20 +0100, hamis...@live.co.uk said: > but [...] using 20GB of RAM with almost nothing open [...] is not good > behaviour Why not? Is there an actual problem in the day to day use of the system? Or is the problem that you've seen some numbers you don't like the look of / don't understand? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very high memory usage (ignoring cache) after being powered on for days
Using swap is not a bad thing in itself (quite the opposite in many cases). The actual process of swapping is expensive, though, and you want to minimise that. One way to see whether you have a lot of swapping going on is to run "vmstat 1" (you don't need to be root). That will produce a new line of data every second until you stop it (^C). in the middle are two columns under the label "swap", one sub-labelled "si" and the other "so". They are respectively "swap in" (ie, read from disk back into memory) and "swap out" (the other way). If those columns hold mostly zeros, you don't have a swap problem. How does it look on your system? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very high memory usage (ignoring cache) after being powered on for days
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:03:21 +0100, hamis...@live.co.uk said: > Any more ideas? This has definitely revealed something interesting, just > not sure what it is yet/what to do about it. You don't need to do anything about it. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very high memory usage (ignoring cache) after being powered on for days
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 14:07:00 +0100, hamis...@live.co.uk said: > No difference to the output. Surprising. Here: $ ps aux|wc -l 364 $ ps maux|wc -l 1872 -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very high memory usage (ignoring cache) after being powered on for days
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:57:09 +0100, hamis...@live.co.uk said: > ps aux Doesn't show threads. Try "ps maux" (or, if you prefer, "ps -Lef"). -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very high memory usage (ignoring cache) after being powered on for days
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:09:51 +0100, hamis...@live.co.uk said: > Using htop in that way seems to show processes that aren't currently > running any more - like previous invocations of firefox, in the stats. > Is that expected? Not expected nor correct. htop shows processes that exist in the process table. Those processes may be running, runnable, waiting on IO, sleeping or a number of other states. Regardless of state, they will be using some memory, although that memory may be virtual. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very high memory usage (ignoring cache) after being powered on for days
What problem are you trying to solve? If you're just curious about memory usage, run htop, press F6 and sort by M_RESIDENT or, if you're feeling more adventurous, run atop and press M (not m). Either will show you how much memory each process is using, with htop giving a less detailed but possibly easier to interpret display. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] How to Cancel Existing systemd.timer(5) OnCalendar Values.
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 09:44:44 +0100, hamis...@live.co.uk said: > so has anyone experienced cron jobs sporadically (kind of randomly) not > running when they're meant to? No, never (and I've been using Linux since the early 90s, and UNIX before that). Set up your cron jobs so that the command is: [...] your-command 2>&1 | /usr/bin/logger -t 'my cronjob' Then take a look in your syslog files after the cron job has apparently not run. Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-10-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Subject: Re: BeautifulSoup
On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 13:17:39 +0100, gra...@gemmill.name said: > [nci.html text/plain (0 bytes)] I think the problem is a lack of input data. Seriously: can you reduce the problem to a minimum example? Then you can post the dozen or so lines of html plus your example code. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-09-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Understanding EXT4 disk options
On Thu, 27 Aug 2020 13:11:20 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > D-Link is the manufacturer of the NAS Box. If it's running Linux, get in there and edit the fstab file. Or, as I've just seen Ralph reply, use 'remount'. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-09-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Understanding EXT4 disk options
It's not clear to me what role D-Link plays in this. Why is a script from a proprietary company mounting your partitions? Does the usual /etc/fstab not come into play? Your workarounds are certainly kludgy and I agree that you're right to find a better way. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-09-01 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] HTML
Sure, send it. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-07-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Internet Access Using Tethering
On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 10:20:24 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > Am I missing the point? Probably not. I know there are challenges, but being able to directly ssh to your RPis from the outside, ideally filtered by source IP, would be considerably simple. I know you said that network is owned by people who don't understand it and so won't allow it - which is perverse logic. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-07-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Internet Access Using Tethering
I'm pleased you got it working, but...it sounds like a nightmare to support and maintain. Very hacky, undocumented, alpha software, multi-hoop jumping. Do you have a clear understanding of how it works, what components do what, why each is there, and a network diagram marked with subnet addresses? If not, I'd suggest you get all of those or - my real suggestion - make it orders of magnitude less complex. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-07-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] VPN Options
On Mon, 08 Jun 2020 12:51:43 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > I've not been able to find any Tutorials (or indeed any mention of the > tool, apart from in his links) That's sufficient reason to keep looking. > Alternatively, does anyone else have any information about other VPN > Servers that will install on a Pi (and also be easy to set up, > especially the clients)? I still believe OpenVPN fits the bill. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-07-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireguard on RPi
On Sun, 07 Jun 2020 16:38:30 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > If you want Wireguard then you'll have to manually install it. It's in the Buster backports repo on Debian: $ apt policy wireguard wireguard: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.0.20200513-1~bpo10+1 Version table: 1.0.20200513-1~bpo10+1 100 100 http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian buster-backports/main amd64 Packages 100 http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian buster-backports/main i386 Packages Does that help? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-07-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Using macvlan to increase Ethernet Ports
So you need remote access to Raspberry Pi. If you have fixed IP addresses at home, ssh that is firewalled to those addresses is easiest. If you don't have fixed IP addresses, ssh access authenticated only by keys is easy once set up. If you'd like help with that, what operating systems will the remote accessors be using? The link you provided goes to the index of a forum, so it's not clear to me which VPN software you have been trying. If you do go down the VPN route, in my experience OpenVPN is relatively easy to set up, is secure, and it's supported on Windows, Linux, OSX, Android (don't know about iPhone, never used one). Happy to help more, but I would urge "keep it simple". -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-07-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Using macvlan to increase Ethernet Ports
Terry, rewind. You've decided you need a VPN, but the VPN is to achieve something. Define clearly what that something is. What are you are trying to achieve? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2020-07-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Using ZOOM on Linus
On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:38:48 +, ci...@cewland.uk said: > Does Zoom work and is there any problem with it please? Try it! Let me know if you'd like to set up a quick proof-of-concept call. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, post-lurgi 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Switching away from Evernote
Joplin (https://joplinapp.org/) Open source, clients for web, Android, IOS, Mac, Windows. Syncs to your choice of sync'd filesystem (I use Nextcloud). Markdown. Import from Evernote. Just works. Been using it for 18 months or so, never looked back. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2020-02-04 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Caps Lock indicator
> having an indicator to let me know caps lock is on. As a serious (but long term) suggestion: learn to touch type. The "indicator" is then the screen, because you can see what you type as you type. I taught myself touch typing in the late 80s. Painful at the time, but I type every day of my life, and it's been extremely useful. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2020-01-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] SMTP Hosting Sought.
I hear very good things about Fastmail (https://www.fastmail.com/). The only reason I don't use it is because I have wet string Internet connectivity. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2020-01-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very slow Desktop startup problem
On Sat, 06 Jul 2019 07:54:08 +0100, ra...@inputplus.co.uk said: > Having an unnoticed option can be the cause of awkward bugs Try this: $ ls [directory listing] $ ls * [same directory listing] $ touch -- -l # make a file called '-l' $ ls * [long directory listing as file '-l' is interpreted as an option Now, imagine a file called ' -rf' and how that might impact an 'rm' command. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-08-06 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very slow Desktop startup problem
On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:48:43 +0100, ra...@inputplus.co.uk said: > swapon -s You might need that to be /sbin/swapon unless you run as root the lines Ralph posted (and we don't run things as root unless we have to, right?) Neat trick though, Ralph! -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-07-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Very slow Desktop startup problem
My first move would be to check /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages for any disk errors. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-07-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] The Linux Solution book
Terry, thanks for your comments and thank you also for buying a copy - it's much appreciated. -- "I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said" - Willam F Buckely jr -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
[Dorset] The Linux Solution book
Hi everyone! My book, "The Linux Solution", is available on Kindle for 99p today. All proceeds to Great Ormond Street Children's Charity. I'd appreciate it if you were able to support both the book and GOSH by spending 99p on it (the offer is only for today). https://www.amazon.co.uk/Linux-Solution-Support-Scalable-Systems-ebook/dp/B07NZJHKHN/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1556697454&sr=8-1 Thanks, Keith -- "For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three." -Alice Kahn -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] KMail "ghost" messages after deleting from IMAP folders
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:05:23 +0100, t...@ls83.eclipse.co.uk said: > IMHO, Thunderbird is a pretty much flawless IMAP client and has been for > many years. Gosh! Just goes to show how one man's meat is another man's poison! -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-05-07 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Knotes and other means of keeping files
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:39:00 +, p...@aptanet.com said: > Anyway, I now use Joplin Paul, thanks for that. I'd looked at Joplin once before but - for some reason that escapes me - I'd dismissed it. Since you posted your note, I've moved all my Simplenotes notes to Joplin and more besides. The fact that it works on Linux, Mac and Android, and the fact that I can store data under my control (in ownCloud in this case), ticks just about every box. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu, clamav, and daily cron job
As root, run 'crontab -e' and add that line to the end (without the vertical bars). Explanation of numbers at start of line: "man 5 crontab" -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Knotes and other means of keeping files
On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 16:19:53 +, dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk said: > Until Google retires Keep. For that reason, I have started using Simplenote. Not as sexy as Keep, but it does support markup, and runs natively on Linux, OSX and Windows as well as in a web browser. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Cannot open nano in boot a shell
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:47:15 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > I couldn't get `TERM=linux nano' or `TERM=vt220 nano' to work Then: On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:16:51 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > > If you then enter, on one line, `TERM=vt220 nano', and press Enter then > > nano should be happy and start up. > > Exactly. That's what I did and that's what happened. So, does it work or not? Is the problem solved? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Cannot open nano in boot a shell
On Sun, 10 Mar 2019 18:16:51 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > Exactly the same here in KMail and in BlueMail Those links that Ralph posted are URLs. Look at the web pages: there are three blank lines under your name on one, but not on the other. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Micro:Bit
So, er, what's the question? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Monitoring Internet Connectivity.
You might want to install arpalert, too. http://www.arpalert.org/arpalert.html -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: BEC, Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-04-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Network connectivity issues
On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:56:35 +, t...@ls83.eclipse.co.uk said: > I can't see a laptop on my network from my own computer What exact commands are you typing, and what exactly is the response? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at BEC: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2019-02-05 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Linux Format Magazine contributor
I'm not exactly local, but maybe something could be arranged... -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-12-04 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Swap file issue
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 12:17:19 +, t...@xendistar.co.uk said: > I noticed a script I added several month ago (and completely forgotten it) > which cleared the swap and memory cache over night Glad you found the problem, but what were (are) you trying to achieve with that script? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-12-04 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Swap file issue
On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:15:23 +, t...@xendistar.co.uk said:
> sudo grep checkswap /var/log/messages
>
> Assuming that is correct it has not shown me anything.
OK, it should be creating an entry every 50 seconds, so something is
wrong. It may be that the message isn't going into /var/log/messages, so I
suggest you:
$ logger "test"
...to put an entry in whatever log file is configured, then:
$ ls -lrt /var/log
...to see which logfile(s) were last written to. Then you can verify that
the 'test' is there. That will be the logfile to check for the 'checkswap'
messages.
> I think what is happening is that swap disappear
Why do you think that? In 25+ years of messing around with Linux, I've
never seen that happen.
OK, I've just ready your first mail again. I suggest you reboot your PC,
then check ("sudo swapon -s") that the swap is configured exactly how you
expect. If it is, run the periodic check Ralph suggested (as discussed
above). If it isn't configured exactly how you expect, you need to fix
that first. If you have trouble, start by posting the output of:
$ grep sw /etc/fstab
and
$ sudo dmesg | grep swap
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Re: [Dorset] Swap file issue
On Sat, 01 Dec 2018 12:31:46 +, ra...@inputplus.co.uk said: > while sleep 50; do date -Is; swapon -s; done >swap.log Nice, but I'd use: while sleep 50; do swapon -s | logger -t checkswap That will put an entry in the system logger that's tagged 'checkswap'. You can look at all those entries like this: $ sudo grep checkswap /var/log/messages Dec 1 12:42:01 ws checkswap: Filename#011#011#011#011Type#011#011Size#011Used#011Priority Dec 1 12:42:01 ws checkswap: /dev/dm-4 #011partition#0114882428#011405688#011-1 I don't like having user-defined log files: they tend to get forgotten about and fill up disks. Using logger(1) means that the log entries are in the system log files and thus correctly rotated, etc. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-12-04 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Next Meeting - One Week Tonight
On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:35:00 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > I'll pick you up at around 7:30; usual place. Oooo! Just like a spy movie! -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-12-04 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Having repository troubles
The unhelpful advice is "don't do things that lead to this problem". Usually, that's forcing installs or using disreputable repositories (ie, not Debian ones). However, as mentioned, that's not helpful given that you've arrived here. Resolving this will probably be protracted (but, to me, kinda fun). Start here: > Upon running 'apt --fix-broken install, I get this: . . > 2 Errors were encountered while > processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/.77-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_i386.deb > /var/cache/apt/archives/libnvidia-gl-390_390.77-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_amd64.deb > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Start by making sure you have ONLY your distro packages configured (/etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*).Then run 'apt-get update'. Next, remove those two packages: # dpkg -l | grep libnvidia-gl-390_390 ...to get the exact package names, then # apt remove $EXACT_PACKAGE_NAMES You may have to rinse and repeat. Keep a note of what you remove so you can reinstall it later if needed. If you're not comfortable working from the command line, possibly without X, you may want to seek help from someone who is comfortable like that. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-12-04 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Database with GUI Front End for Non-Database Experts
Start by writing your requirements. The hard part: do NOT include any implementation details in the requirements. Focus on what, not how. For example, "The database should be hosted on a website somewhere" is not a requirement. It is a way of achieving an unstated requirement; there may be other, even better, ways. Once you've written the requirements, you can look at how you could implement them. From what you've said so far, I'd be looking at a Flask app (or, if you'd prefer to spend nine months learning the platform, Django). But start with the requirements. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-12-04 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] In-line Replies in Thunderbird
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 07:23:03 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > So you guys who don't use Thunderbird are seeing '>' chars at the > beginning of the quoted text above? Yep. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-11-06 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Thunderbirds are go?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 21:38:42 +0100, dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk said: > Mail from the LUG is filtered into a DLUG folder. In this folder the > emails have the tabs Reply/*Reply List*/ Forward etc. In other folders > the Tabs are Reply/Forward or if to multiple addressees Reply/Reply > All/Forward. Are you certain that the different tabs (do you mean 'tab' or do you mean 'button'?) are a function of the /folder/ rather than the /email/? What happens if you move a LUG mail to another folder, and a non-LUG mail into that folder? My expectation is the appearance or otherwise of the 'Reply List' tab will follow the mail. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting at *new* venue: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-10-02 20:00 Check if you're replying to the list or the author Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Lets all laugh at me, my tale of woe
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 21:47:47 +0100, dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk said: > I just upgraded a week or so ago from Kubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 and > forgot to do a backup first Do backups regardless of whether you think you'll need them. One day you *will* need them, and life is such that you don't know in advance when that will be. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-10-02 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Links from 2018-05-01's Pub Meet.
For password management, you could keep it Open Source with Bitwarden. Runs on Window, Mac, Linux; apps for iPhone and Android; browser plugins for Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Edge, Safari and even the Tor Browser. https://bitwarden.com/ -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-06-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Alternative to Simple Backup Suite
RSnapshot uses rsync, but it's a bit more than a "front end" to rsync. It organises backups in a space-efficient way, again by utilising hard links. It's nice for running hourly/daily/weekly/monthly snapshots. The time period is arbitrary: if you wanted retain a fortnightly or quarterly backup, that would be trivial. With RSnapshot, typically the last hourly backup of the day becomes that day's 'daily' backup, and so on. That means that if you create a file at 14:37 and delete it at 18:02, it'll be in some hourly snapshots, but won't make it into the daily snapshot. Of course, most backup systems run overnight, and in that case your deleted file wouldn't make it in to any backup. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-05-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Alternative to Simple Backup Suite
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:28:44 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > What if I accidentally delete a file and don't remember > until after the next backup? The products I cited all retain backups for a user-specified time. We typically configure 30 days' retention, but it could just as easily be 300 or 3000. The backup server gives the appearance of having full backups for every day for the past 30 (or 300, etc). In reality, it's using hard links under the covers to avoid keeping identical copies of files from day to day. It's smart enough to recognise when a file has changed on the source, and then retain two copies on the backup server. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-05-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Alternative to Simple Backup Suite
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:14:54 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > So I wouldn't be able to install it on the NAS, which is where it needs > to be. Well, if the NAS runs Linux - many do - then maybe you can, but don't. I thought your original problem stemmed from sbackup being dropped from Ubuntu, sorry. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-05-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Alternative to Simple Backup Suite
Duplicity, BackupPC, RSnapshot and others maintain a "current" backup of
all files in the source directory. You can browse that directory and see
every file that was present in the source. However, if a file hasn't
changed since the last time it was copied, it isn't re-copied: the backup
system automagically puts it in the current backup.
That differs from the traditional backups, often to tape, where to save
time (and tape) you'd only backup those files that have changed since the
last backup ("incremental").
tl;dr You don't need to worry about incremental/full backups: you just
"back up".
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Re: [Dorset] Alternative to Simple Backup Suite
No. BackupPC is a backup server which backs up clients, possibly including itself. It may be overkill for what you want, though, on reflection. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-05-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Alternative to Simple Backup Suite
On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 15:03:38 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > So how do I take a full backup once a month as I've been doing for the > last ten years? Rather than use terms like "full backup" and "incremental backup", describe what you actually want to achieve. I suspect you misunderstand how duplicity works. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-05-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Alternative to Simple Backup Suite
We use BackupPC. DWISOTT. Takes a little time to set up, but then fully automated and a reasonable web UI. It's written in Perl, but other than that we like it. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-05-01 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Education
In 15 years of running an IT support/consultancy business, we've had one female applicant for a technical role. I would love to hire a (suitable) female techie! -- "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-04-03 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Using shred
On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:31:53 +, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > I'd be happier if there was no chance of data recovery. Then destroy the drives. -- "Laughter is the best medicine, though it tends not to work in the case of impotence" - Jo Brand -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-03-06 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Using shred
Shred is slow. No one will trivially read the ex-data following a reformat. I suppose if the drive used to hold your plans for world domination, a few more hours of shred is a small price to pay. However, if the drive only held data of interest to you and you don't want the PC running overnight, don't worry about it. -- "Never, never, never give up" - Winston Churchill -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-03-06 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Eric Raymond Rails Against Uninterruptible Power Supplies.
On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 23:36:13 +, pugwash1...@gmail.com said: > I know a fair bit about how UPS's work and I would be interested i trying > to build a home brew one if there is enough interest and support. Enough interest and support to do what? In my experience, if you want to do something, JFDI. Don't hang around waiting for permission, promises from others or a team to form. -- "Laughter is the best medicine, though it tends not to work in the case of impotence" - Jo Brand -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2018-03-06 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Funny Business When I Try to Connect to Amazon in Chromium
On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 17:52:55 +, t...@xendistar.co.uk said: > >> Mine is 53.0.2785.143 from Debian Testing [...] > Cheers Terry, Debian repos are dragging there heels again, "Their", not "there". Jessie Updates has 55.0.2883.75: $ apt-cache policy chromium chromium: Installed: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 Candidate: 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 Version table: *** 55.0.2883.75-1~deb8u1 0 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 53.0.2785.89-1~deb8u1 0 500 http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages So you may want to add the jessie-updates repo to your list. -- "One can never know for sure what a deserted area looks like" - George Carlin -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2017-01-03 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Problem with security certificate
Hi Ralph
> What modem-only hardware do you like?
DrayTek Vigor 130. I would no longer recommend DrayTek routers, but their
modems seem solid.
> And did you consider a router that can run OpenWRT or similar?
I have one running Tomato, which seems pretty good.
My attitude to these things has changed over the years. I now want stuff
that Just Works. In the past I've gone for the simpler, and sometimes
short term cheaper, solutions, and I've learnt a lot getting them to work.
But I don't want to do that any more. I want stuff just to work. So I use:
- Andrews & Arnold as my ISP. The best, by an order of magnitude, I've
ever used. They are not, contrary to rumour, expensive, although they
may cost a little more than what's described on the latest flyer to
drop through my letterbox.
- ppp + modem for the reasons discussed earlier.
- Unbundled services. I don't want something that provides broadband,
home phone, television, water and two poached eggs every morning. I
want the businesses I buy those things from (well, apart from the eggs)
to specialise in those things.
- Claws mail, because I'm utterly fed up (bit more than that, actually)
of Thunderbird thinking it knows more about what I want to do than I do
("autoconfiguring" mail accounts, downloading everything to a local
cache, indexing, having a competition with itself to see how much
system load it can generate and how much memory it can use). Maybe it's
better these days - I don't use it so I don't know - but I doubt it.
- Unifi wifi access points. The best, by far, I've ever used.
- Debian, because it is built by people who utterly understand how to
produce a secure and maintainable Linux distribution. There is way more
to Debian than many realise, but after years of supporting Debian, Red
Hat, CentOS and Ubuntu, the depth of thought behind Debian will
surface. Red Hat is built by people who know how to make money out of
selling Linux; CentOS is built for people who think they want Red Hat
but don't want to pay for it; Ubuntu is built for people who are
prepared to sacrifice reliability and uptime for the latest shiny thing.
Nothing wrong with Red Hat, CentOS, Ubuntu or many of the others if
they float your boat and scratch your itch, but they leave my boats
itchy and sunk.
I am, of course, a grumpy old man.
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Re: [Dorset] Problem with security certificate
On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:06:11 +0100, gra...@gemmill.name said: > I cannot understand why a router should start imposing security > certificates A lot of domestic routers intercept web browsing, so it wouldn't surprise me to see security certificates. A quick Google showed up this screenshot where you can see that "Web browsing interception" is "automatic". Personally, I've given up using such routers, and now run modem only and manage ppp from the server. http://screenshots.portforward.com/routers/Technicolor/TG582n/System_Configuration.htm -- "Why does God hate me so much? Is it because I don't believe in him?" - Sidney Morgenbesser -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] IMAP instead of POP3 in KMail
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 16:32:07 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: > Presumably IMAP doesn't work in reverse There are IMAP copy utilities around. In short, you could upload all your local mail to remote IMAP folders, but it would take a bit of work. Unlike others, I abhor Thunderbird - but the beauty of using IMAP is that it doesn't matter what your tastes are in MUAs. So long as you can find one you like, you're fine. -- "Soccer is one of those things that the rest of world cares about more than Americans do - you know, like healthcare, education and gun control" - David Letterman -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-07-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
