[DX-CHAT] After effects
Just wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns. 73, Duane, WV2B"Therewardofathingwelldoneistohavedoneit."-RalphWaldoEmerson
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Good question. Relatively Simple answers: (a) this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there are are many parts that some aren't aware of (b) the FCC did some things unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone band all the way down to 3600 kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 3650 kHz (which, as a practical matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for digital modes and 100 kHz for CW only) (c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are neither lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s operate CW on 80, 40, 15 now? (I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere, but I haven't had a chance to dig out the specific language yet) and let's not forget: (d) some people ignored most or all of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some or all of this wouldn't happen, and now they have to figure out what to do next. 73 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 07:46:40 CDT To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] After effects Just wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns. 73, Duane, WV2B The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.- Ralph Waldo Emerson Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Ron, All this discussion centres around US use of the bands. As you push down your phone band, hams in countries like Canada will move some of their phone operations down as well. Your example on 80 with phone down to 3600 and digital below that may well be more like US phone to 3600 and Canadian phone down to 3575 with digital and CW squeezed into the last 75 khz. This will no doubt lead to competition for space as now happens on 40 around 7050-7060 between Canadian and DX SSB and US CW. Canada does not have sub-bands and should we choose, we can operate any mode anywhere. We use the bands based more on a "gentleman's agreement" (no, it's doesn't always work well)and would hope these new US assignment will work themselves out for all users of the bands. GerryVE6LB/VA6XDXARRL DXCC Card CheckerVE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team(403) 251-6520ve6lb (at) rac.cawww.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Good question.Relatively Simple answers: (a) this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there are are many parts that some aren't aware of(b) the FCC did some things unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone band all the way down to 3600 kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 3650 kHz (which, as a practical matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for digital modes and 100 kHz for CW only)(c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are neither lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s operate CW on 80, 40, 15 now? (I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere, but I haven't had a chance to dig out the specific language yet)and let's not forget:(d) some people ignored most or all of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some or all of this wouldn't happen, and now they have to figure out what to do next. 73From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 07:46:40 CDTTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] After effectsJust wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns.73,Duane, WV2B"The reward of a thing well done is to have done it."- Ralph Waldo EmersonSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Very true Gerry, and that's why I was surprised that the FCC went as far as they did on 80. I think the Law of Unintended Consequences will cause us some grief until it's all sorted out. From: Gerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 09:15:14 CDT To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Ron, All this discussion centres around US use of the bands. As you push down your phone band, hams in countries like Canada will move some of their phone operations down as well. Your example on 80 with phone down to 3600 and digital below that may well be more like US phone to 3600 and Canadian phone down to 3575 with digital and CW squeezed into the last 75 khz. This will no doubt lead to competition for space as now happens on 40 around 7050-7060 between Canadian and DX SSB and US CW. Canada does not have sub-bands and should we choose, we can operate any mode anywhere. We use the bands based more on a gentleman's agreement (no, it's doesn't always work well) and would hope these new US assignment will work themselves out for all users of the bands. Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX ARRL DXCC Card Checker VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-6520 ve6lb (at) rac.ca www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Good question. Relatively Simple answers: (a) this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there are are many parts that some aren't aware of (b) the FCC did some things unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone band all the way down to 3600 kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 3650 kHz (which, as a practical matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for digital modes and 100 kHz for CW only) (c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are neither lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s operate CW on 80, 40, 15 now? (I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere, but I haven't had a chance to dig out the specific language yet) and let's not forget: (d) some people ignored most or all of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some or all of this wouldn't happen, and now they have to figure out what to do next. 73 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 07:46:40 CDT To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] After effects Just wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns. 73, Duane, WV2B The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.- Ralph Waldo Emerson Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Title: Message I guess we'll see how it plays out. Gerry - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV To: 'Gerry' ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] After effects Gerry, With the large amount of space between 3600and 4000 - even though there will be US signals there - forthe Canadians to move below 3600 would be very bad form. The density of US phone activity should be much less than the present and considering the essentially local character of the band, proximity should allow Canadians to operate successfully within the 3600 - 4000 area. Anyone who moves down on top of digital activity is simply looking to cause intentional interference to digital users. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GerrySent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:15 AMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Ron, All this discussion centres around US use of the bands. As you push down your phone band, hams in countries like Canada will move some of their phone operations down as well. Your example on 80 with phone down to 3600 and digital below that may well be more like US phone to 3600 and Canadian phone down to 3575 with digital and CW squeezed into the last 75 khz. This will no doubt lead to competition for space as now happens on 40 around 7050-7060 between Canadian and DX SSB and US CW. Canada does not have sub-bands and should we choose, we can operate any mode anywhere. We use the bands based more on a "gentleman's agreement" (no, it's doesn't always work well)and would hope these new US assignment will work themselves out for all users of the bands. GerryVE6LB/VA6XDXARRL DXCC Card CheckerVE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team(403) 251-6520ve6lb (at) rac.cawww.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Good question.Relatively Simple answers: (a) this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there are are many parts that some aren't aware of(b) the FCC did some things unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone band all the way down to 3600 kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 3650 kHz (which, as a practical matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for digital modes and 100 kHz for CW only)(c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are neither lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s operate CW on 80, 40, 15 now? (I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere, but I haven't had a chance to dig out the specific language yet)and let's not forget:(d) some people ignored most or all of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some or all of this wouldn't happen, and now they have to figure out what to do next. 73From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 07:46:40 CDTTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] After effectsJust wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns.73,Duane, WV2B"The reward of a thing well done is to have done it."- Ralph Waldo EmersonSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Title: Message Gerry, With the large amount of space between 3600and 4000 - even though there will be US signals there - forthe Canadians to move below 3600 would be very bad form. The density of US phone activity should be much less than the present and considering the essentially local character of the band, proximity should allow Canadians to operate successfully within the 3600 - 4000 area. Anyone who moves down on top of digital activity is simply looking to cause intentional interference to digital users. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GerrySent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:15 AMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Ron, All this discussion centres around US use of the bands. As you push down your phone band, hams in countries like Canada will move some of their phone operations down as well. Your example on 80 with phone down to 3600 and digital below that may well be more like US phone to 3600 and Canadian phone down to 3575 with digital and CW squeezed into the last 75 khz. This will no doubt lead to competition for space as now happens on 40 around 7050-7060 between Canadian and DX SSB and US CW. Canada does not have sub-bands and should we choose, we can operate any mode anywhere. We use the bands based more on a "gentleman's agreement" (no, it's doesn't always work well)and would hope these new US assignment will work themselves out for all users of the bands. GerryVE6LB/VA6XDXARRL DXCC Card CheckerVE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team(403) 251-6520ve6lb (at) rac.cawww.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Good question.Relatively Simple answers: (a) this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there are are many parts that some aren't aware of(b) the FCC did some things unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone band all the way down to 3600 kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 3650 kHz (which, as a practical matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for digital modes and 100 kHz for CW only)(c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are neither lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s operate CW on 80, 40, 15 now? (I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere, but I haven't had a chance to dig out the specific language yet)and let's not forget:(d) some people ignored most or all of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some or all of this wouldn't happen, and now they have to figure out what to do next. 73From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 07:46:40 CDTTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] After effectsJust wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns.73,Duane, WV2B"The reward of a thing well done is to have done it."- Ralph Waldo EmersonSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
At 08:46 AM 10/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns. Technically the proposed rules were open for public comment for a sixty day period back in 2004 which was followed by two weeks for reply comments. After that, the public record was closed and for the two years since the matter was in the hands of the FCC. Look at how this proceeding transpired: The ARRL petition originally asked for 25 kHz of phone band expansion on 75m in 2002. The FCC proposed rules in 2004 that would have expanded the 75m phone band by 25 kHz. In 2006, the FCC finally decides to expand the 75m phone band by 150 kHz. It's difficult for most people to comment to the FCC on rule changes the FCC didn't propose to make. 73, Mike K1MK Michael Keane K1MK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Title: Message Joe, There is more than enough "bad form" to go around now. Might be a thought for digital to move up in all this large amount of space you mention (3600-4000). Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV To: 'Gerry' ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] After effects Gerry, With the large amount of space between 3600and 4000 - even though there will be US signals there - forthe Canadians to move below 3600 would be very bad form. The density of US phone activity should be much less than the present and considering the essentially local character of the band, proximity should allow Canadians to operate successfully within the 3600 - 4000 area. Anyone who moves down on top of digital activity is simply looking to cause intentional interference to digital users. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GerrySent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:15 AMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Ron, All this discussion centres around US use of the bands. As you push down your phone band, hams in countries like Canada will move some of their phone operations down as well. Your example on 80 with phone down to 3600 and digital below that may well be more like US phone to 3600 and Canadian phone down to 3575 with digital and CW squeezed into the last 75 khz. This will no doubt lead to competition for space as now happens on 40 around 7050-7060 between Canadian and DX SSB and US CW. Canada does not have sub-bands and should we choose, we can operate any mode anywhere. We use the bands based more on a "gentleman's agreement" (no, it's doesn't always work well)and would hope these new US assignment will work themselves out for all users of the bands. GerryVE6LB/VA6XDXARRL DXCC Card CheckerVE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team(403) 251-6520ve6lb (at) rac.cawww.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius W3WN To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Good question.Relatively Simple answers: (a) this 'omnibus' ruling combined a lot of petitions and NPRM's, and there are are many parts that some aren't aware of(b) the FCC did some things unexpected, such as expanding the 80/75 phone band all the way down to 3600 kHz, where most expected it to only go down to 3650 kHz (which, as a practical matter, would have left a 50 kHz area for digital modes and 100 kHz for CW only)(c) the FCC left some things unclear, at least to those of us who are neither lawyers nor bureaucrats... like exactly where do Novices and Tech+'s operate CW on 80, 40, 15 now? (I'm sure it's buried in there somewhere, but I haven't had a chance to dig out the specific language yet)and let's not forget:(d) some people ignored most or all of this or didn't expect (or hoped) some or all of this wouldn't happen, and now they have to figure out what to do next. 73From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 2006/10/13 Fri AM 07:46:40 CDTTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] After effectsJust wondering- with a couple years to comment to the FCC -before- it was adopted, why all the discussion now. I guess the boat was missed if there were any real concerns.73,Duane, WV2B"The reward of a thing well done is to have done it."- Ralph Waldo EmersonSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
I don't see the problem with moving the digitalsw down below 3600. Those modes are narrow-banded and don't occupy the space a phone signal does. Neither does CW. For the digital operators I would suggest they narrow up their I.F.'s to prevent them from copying adjacent signals, after all PSK only occupies 30 hZ and the other digital modes a little more. Who says the Canadians need protection from U.S. QRM (only the Canadians). We here have dealt sucessfully with QRM from each other for generations. The Canadians on many occasions in the 50's and 60's prevented expansion of our fone bands. If you don't remeber this, you haven't been a ham as long as I. Digital may be in, but fone is where it's at. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Gerry, Digital cannot move up. Under the rules and regulations, digital is not permitted areas where Phone and image are authorized. 73, ... Joe, W4TV --Original Message- From: Gerry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:21 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Joe, There is more than enough bad form to go around now. Might be a thought for digital to move up in all this large amount of space you mention (3600-4000). Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV To: 'Gerry' ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] After effects Gerry, With the large amount of space between 3600 and 4000 - even though there will be US signals there - for the Canadians to move below 3600 would be very bad form. The density of US phone activity should be much less than the present and considering the essentially local character of the band, proximity should allow Canadians to operate successfully within the 3600 - 4000 area. Anyone who moves down on top of digital activity is simply looking to cause intentional interference to digital users. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerry Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:15 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects Ron, All this discussion centres around US use of the bands. As you push down your phone band, hams in countries like Canada will move some of their phone operations down as well. Your example on 80 with phone down to 3600 and digital below that may well be more like US phone to 3600 and Canadian phone down to 3575 with digital and CW squeezed into the last 75 khz. This will no doubt lead to competition for space as now happens on 40 around 7050-7060 between Canadian and DX SSB and US CW. Canada does not have sub-bands and should we choose, we can operate any mode anywhere. We use the bands based more on a gentleman's agreement (no, it's doesn't always work well) and would hope these new US assignment will work themselves out for all users of the bands. Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX ARRL DXCC Card Checker VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-6520 ve6lb (at) rac.ca www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Waiting on the Other Shoe
In reviewing comments made about the FCC changes, one thing that kept popping up was that the FCC allocated more (sometimes much more) space for voice operations than was initially asked for. For example, the original ARRL proposal was for an extra 25 kHz of phone on 75. The original FCC NPRM was for the same. Many of the comments that I read (and I did not read all of them) indicated that of those in favor of this change, 25 kHz wasn't thought to be enough; most of those that I saw proposed 50, 75, even 100 kHz more. No one expected a 150 kHz expansion of phone on 80! Why? Or to put it another way, what does the FCC staff know that we don't (yet)? My suspicion... and this is only idle speculation at this point based on an extrapolation of the data at hand... is that at some point in the next 6 to 18 months, the other shoe is going to drop. Namely, the long awaited and anticipated (pro or con) removal of Element 1 as a requirement for HF access. (Whether for some or most or all license classes, I have no idea) So... logic dictates that if you no longer need Element 1 for HF access, you have little reason to not give SOME HF access to the current crop of VHF-only Technicians, who have passed the same theory as the Tech-Plus (aka Tech w/HF, etc., you know what I mean) licenses. And obviously, giving them CW only access when they officially don't know CW would be rather silly. Catch my drift? When they become effective sometime next month, enjoy the extra elbow room on 75, 40, and 15, my friends, especially you Generals. I have a hunch that it won't be too long until those bands get very, very crowded! [Now, is that a good thing, or a bad thing? THAT is a different topic of speculation, my friends!] ...or am I way off base here? 73, ron w3wn Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Jim, I didn't suggest that Canadians (or the rest of the world) need protection from US QRM. We can certainly compete on an equal basis. The point is that we do not have sub-bands and will naturally move to places in the band where there is less QRM for us and where we not generate more QRM for those who don't have the same flexibility as we do (mostly US hams). I've been active since 1956 and don't recall where Canada ever prevented US sub band expansion. I don't believe we had the ability to do that then or now. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Jim Abercrombie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects I don't see the problem with moving the digitalsw down below 3600. Those modes are narrow-banded and don't occupy the space a phone signal does. Neither does CW. For the digital operators I would suggest they narrow up their I.F.'s to prevent them from copying adjacent signals, after all PSK only occupies 30 hZ and the other digital modes a little more. Who says the Canadians need protection from U.S. QRM (only the Canadians). We here have dealt sucessfully with QRM from each other for generations. The Canadians on many occasions in the 50's and 60's prevented expansion of our fone bands. If you don't remeber this, you haven't been a ham as long as I. Digital may be in, but fone is where it's at. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Joe, As I said to Jim, Canadians, no more than the US or any other ham jurisdiction want or need special consideration or private frequencies. We operate within the limits of our licence and regulations while generally adhering to the internationally accepted band use norms. What I was pointing out was that Canada and all the other 335 DXCC entities will operate where they can most effectively communicate while experiencing and creating minimal interference. That may well be below or above the more congested spectrum occupied by US hams. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Jim Abercrombie' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] After effects Jim, Most digital operation (except PSK) uses narrow filters. Moving the significant number of domestic traffic nets and digital operations that exist between 3600 and 3650 below 3600 will represent a serious problem for all three groups. I agree with you about Canadian attitudes to US phone - it is inexcusable for a few thousand licensees to expect private frequencies on a shared global resource. There has never been any justification for the elitist attitude. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Abercrombie Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:33 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects I don't see the problem with moving the digitalsw down below 3600. Those modes are narrow-banded and don't occupy the space a phone signal does. Neither does CW. For the digital operators I would suggest they narrow up their I.F.'s to prevent them from copying adjacent signals, after all PSK only occupies 30 hZ and the other digital modes a little more. Who says the Canadians need protection from U.S. QRM (only the Canadians). We here have dealt sucessfully with QRM from each other for generations. The Canadians on many occasions in the 50's and 60's prevented expansion of our fone bands. If you don't remeber this, you haven't been a ham as long as I. Digital may be in, but fone is where it's at. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] After effects
Title: Message Joe, That may be true in the US but in Canada, we can operate digital anywhere. Can't speak for the rest of the world but I'm sure there are many other jurisdiction, like SM, that have not mode restriction. Gerry VE6LB
Re: [DX-CHAT] After-effects
Gerry VE6LB wrote: I've been active since 1956 and don't recall where Canada ever prevented US sub band expansion. I don't believe we had the ability to do that then or now. Prevented, as used by Jim N4JA, may be just a slight over-statement. I would substitute lobbied strongly and successfully against. There's no question that one key reason the Lower 48 states have been deprived of 'Phone privileges below 7100 KHz was successful lobbying against that by the regular Canadian invited Observers at ARRL Board meetings. The Board in turn, mostly CW enthusiasts, had no problem persuading a neutral FCC to make it a formal rule. John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Vanity Calls
I am trying to remember the call sign of the guy who wrote the article in the April 2006 QST Correspondence column attacking the mewsed up vanity call sign system. My thanks to him and to QST for pushing this problem out in the open. It really was unfair and needed to be fixed. John Owens - N7SEJ _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Expansion
My comment years ago, when the NPRM first came out, was that the bottom 25 kHz on 80, 40, 20 and 15M, will be in jeopardy. It won't be long when the last remaining privilege of attaining an Extra Class license will be gone. vy 73, Nick W9UM War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] comments sought
ARRL requests members' input on recent FCC "omnibus" Report and Order (Oct 13, 2006) -- The ARRL is requesting members' input concerning the FCC's Amateur Radio proceeding, WT Docket 04-140, released on October 10. The Report and Order will not take effect until 30 days after publication in the Federal Register. This publication date is not yet known. The complete text is available for viewing as a PDF file on the FCC Web site. A summary is available on this Web site. The ARRL is specifically seeking member guidance on how the changes will affect current operating activities on 80, 40 and 15 meters (see the current ARRL band plans and an ARRL FAQ that includes a chart showing the band changes.) Comments may be submitted by e-mail. All e-mails will be read and considered, but individual responses will not be possible due to the message volume expected. The deadline for comments is October 31. 73, Duane, WV2B"Therewardofathingwelldoneistohavedoneit."-RalphWaldoEmerson
Re: [DX-CHAT] comments sought
Since when are they concerned with members inputs? A Little late, after the fact, isn't it? John K5MO At 08:53 PM 10/13/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ARRL requests members' input on recent FCC omnibus Report and Order (Oct 13, 2006) -- The ARRL is requesting members' input concerning the FCC's Amateur Radio proceeding, WT Docket 04-140, released on October 10. The Report and Order will not take effect until 30 days after publication in the http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.htmlFederal Register. This publication date is not yet known. The http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-149A1.pdfcomplete text is available for viewing as a PDF file on the FCC Web site. A http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2006/10/11/100/summary is available on this Web site. The ARRL is specifically seeking member guidance on how the changes will affect current operating activities on 80, 40 and 15 meters (see the http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.htmlcurrent ARRL band plans and an ARRL http://www.arrl.org/announce/regulatory/wt04-140/faq.htmlFAQ that includes a chart showing the band changes.) Comments may be submitted mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]by e-mail. All e-mails will be read and considered, but individual responses will not be possible due to the message volume expected. The deadline for comments is October 31. 73, Duane, WV2B The reward of a thing well done is to have done it.- Ralph Waldo Emerson Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Waiting on the Other Shoe
Ron, as a former Federal employee (US Army, US Natl Park Service), I think I can state you've put your finger on the FCC game plan. They don't like surprises and are fairly certain we don't like surprises, so they're gonna ease us into the notion that we're gonna have to learn to live without mandatory code tests. It's not unlike going from a very hot bath into a very cold shower: ya gotta do it a little bit at a time. I think the FCC is just giving us a little temperature adjustment time between baths. I'm not certain I completely agree with you on the numbers, however although it's probably more of a discussion of statistics, semantics, and speculation. I don't think we're gonna see any great upswing in ham numbers, at least to the degree to congest HF ham bands on a consistent basis i.e., recruitment of new hams. There never really has been a great influx of hams based on lightening of license requirements; the interest just isn't there except among those who would like a license without doing anything for it (vis a vis the old CB license). I suspect a certain percentage of present no-code Techs will upgrade, but I don't believe it's gonna be in massive numbers. Again, the interest and motivation isn't there. Whether we like it or will admit it to ourselves, DXers aren't exactly representative of a majority of hams (although pretty darned influential and vocal) and there's a lot of Techs out there (and Generals and Extras, albeit in increasingly smaller percentages) who have no interest in HF DX whatsoever. If anything congests HF more than it already is will be a renewed interest among those DXers who have dropped out for the duration of the bottoming out of Cycle 23 as Cycle 24 picks up and makes it easier to work DX. Just my 2 Flying Eagle cents. YMMV. 73 de Fred K2FRD, VO2FS At 1:00 PM -0500 13/10/06, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: In reviewing comments made about the FCC changes, one thing that kept popping up was that the FCC allocated more (sometimes much more) space for voice operations than was initially asked for. For example, the original ARRL proposal was for an extra 25 kHz of phone on 75. The original FCC NPRM was for the same. Many of the comments that I read (and I did not read all of them) indicated that of those in favor of this change, 25 kHz wasn't thought to be enough; most of those that I saw proposed 50, 75, even 100 kHz more. No one expected a 150 kHz expansion of phone on 80! Why? Or to put it another way, what does the FCC staff know that we don't (yet)? My suspicion... and this is only idle speculation at this point based on an extrapolation of the data at hand... is that at some point in the next 6 to 18 months, the other shoe is going to drop. Namely, the long awaited and anticipated (pro or con) removal of Element 1 as a requirement for HF access. (Whether for some or most or all license classes, I have no idea) So... logic dictates that if you no longer need Element 1 for HF access, you have little reason to not give SOME HF access to the current crop of VHF-only Technicians, who have passed the same theory as the Tech-Plus (aka Tech w/HF, etc., you know what I mean) licenses. And obviously, giving them CW only access when they officially don't know CW would be rather silly. Catch my drift? When they become effective sometime next month, enjoy the extra elbow room on 75, 40, and 15, my friends, especially you Generals. I have a hunch that it won't be too long until those bands get very, very crowded! [Now, is that a good thing, or a bad thing? THAT is a different topic of speculation, my friends!] ...or am I way off base here? -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
