Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Punishing all operators from a particular region because a few misbehave just increases the frustation level and puts more QRM on the DX frequency. Thanks for us, europeans. I guess that with BS7H now on, we'd better be prepared to listen to the US crybabies. That's the risk, for sure. But conversely, what can a DX operation do when their pileups are completely out of control I don't agree on this point: Under the QRM, what i heard yesterday was a rather nicely controled pileup. The op (I8NHJ, the spotters said) seemed to work easily and with a good rythm. After 5 hours on-and-off today I just gave up, visited a friend and helped out the XYL. Well at 19Z the propagation was down, certainly closed for the major part of Europe. I could still hear them 53 and listened to them and the pileup while eating a pizza (TNX YL) in front of the radio. I suddenly heard a 59 from the pileup, jumped in and got them ! It was my lucky day, beacuse i have to admit that i had hard times, a few hours before, fo find the QSX between 200 and 230 ! So i didn't call that much, maybe 10 times ? It's kind of a shame that these two are extremely difficult from NA. It's a shame that N8S was so difficult from EU etc etc.. -- Laurent Ferracci, F1JKJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
The deliberate QRM started to be real bad when the worldwide DX-clusters came up on Internet. it wasn't difficult to work BS7H in 1994 (not OK for DXCC), 1995 and 1997. Close down all DX-clusters and working DX will again be a pleasure! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC on the air working DX since 1962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Each new advance brings those who would misuse it. Seek their repair, for time will not run backwards. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA The deliberate QRM started to be real bad when the worldwide DX-clusters came up on Internet. it wasn't difficult to work BS7H in 1994 (not OK for DXCC), 1995 and 1997. Close down all DX-clusters and working DX will again be a pleasure! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC on the air working DX since 1962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Dave G0OIL. Getting older and grumpier, apparently. Much older now and wiser - Ballad of Barbara by JR Cash 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Absolutely. I couldn't have put it better. I've not been licensed as long as Osten, and in fact I was a very small pink thing in nappies in 1962, but certainly whilst I've been on the air (18 years) deliberate QRM seems to have got worse. Perhaps the DX cluster has brought more people to interesting DX stations' frequencies, and thus a greater number of idiots even assuming that the idiot percentage has remained the same. I think thast it's also a feature of old timers everywhere to look back on the old days with rose tinted spectacles. Speaking of which, my wife tells me that I sound more like my Dad every day in my opinions of the world. Now THAT's worrying. :-) Dave G0OIL. Getting older and grumpier, apparently. Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each new advance brings those who would misuse it. Seek their repair, for time will not run backwards. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 5:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA The deliberate QRM started to be real bad when the worldwide DX-clusters came up on Internet. it wasn't difficult to work BS7H in 1994 (not OK for DXCC), 1995 and 1997. Close down all DX-clusters and working DX will again be a pleasure! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC on the air working DX since 1962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: DAVE WHITE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat List Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Guys, unfortunately this has become the situation here in Europe. . I really don't know where the mass of deliberate QRM comes from, though mostly it seem to be from east or south-east into England so could come from anywhere in Europe. Certainly a lot of the undisciplined cretins seem to be Italians, though I'd certainly not state that it's ALL from Italians, nor that ALL Italians are bad operators. Many a time I hear a pileup, and the DX is asking for (say) Alpha Bravo Charlie ONLY, but listening through the QSX spread I still hear so many without ANY of those letters in the call still shouting away. OK, maybe we can all mis-time a call and double with the DX, but surely most simply aren't listening. Just the other day JT1Y told everyone to QRX, then asked for United Kingdom stations only - and all the deliberate QRM started immediately: whistling, keying, white noise, swearing, blowing raspberries etc. It's just comical. I don't know how to explain why some people would deliberately send QRM over a DXpedition. Perhaps patience is a lost art. Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings is now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorise neighbourhoods, vandalise anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead in this country and has been for a generation thanks to idiot politicians, do-gooders and political correctness - and maybe the results of this failure are making their way across society. Perhaps the activities of IT9RYH and IK1JUO have got the Italians an even worse reputation and have caused everyone's patience to wear thin, but that doesn't excuse what went on yesterday. I';d agree that Sourthern Europe probably has good propagation to BS7 most of the time - they seem to have good propagation everywhere most of the time - though here in Northern Europe propagation windows are much shorter. That was particularly pronounced with N8S. I'd also agree that an expedition should give time to difficult-to-reach parts of the world, but the way things are at the moment, if BS7H had called for North America only yesterday, then there would probably have been bedlam. Dave G0OIL Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Because you couldn't hear them with your not too puny station in New Jersey, my 55 report from Boston was Pure BS? You have a bit to learn about propagation, as well as manners. And while you're at it, take a deep breath. You'll find it easier to work them if can you keep your wits about you. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of harris_ruben Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:56 PM To: dx-chat List Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA I saw that Boston callout. No way, Jose. My station -- not too puny --had ZERO copy when that Boston call came out. Pure BS IMO. The best I heard 'em was 52. Our Italian friends played cops on 20 meters. Someone even yelled at ME (when I was working split at 14201) yelling directly at ME! (on the DX freq 14185) N2ERN - working ones -- long after they were calling twos. What lids!!! You could just puke! At least I was in the split range!! I'll still be in there, but my band is 18 -- and I expect (hope) to work 'em there. I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! N2ERN Another reason for DX to call by numbers instead of geographical area.. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:51:16 -0400 He is 55 near Boston on short path. No copy on long path. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Maikisch Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:44 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org _ Download Messenger. Join the i'm Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Great quote Dave. This is only a hobby. I am not going to die if I don't work BS7H (and the likelihood of it at this point looks prety slim - they're supposed to be on 14024 now and I don't hear a peep). When the weak signals, kilocycle cops and tuner-uppers get to me, I usually just shut off the rig and do something else. 73, Zack W9SZ On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Dave AA6YQ wrote: In the Complete DXer, Bob W9KNI says But sometimes, the experienced DX'er gets into a situation where it quickly becomes obvious that there is no hope of a QSO. And it is then the frustrated DX'er shows the world, or at least himself, what kind of person he is. Does he QSY, or does he cause needless or even intentional QRM? Does he update the propagation forecasts and check the NCDXF beacons, or does he steam up the hill with beady eyes blazing in search of anyone who'll listen to his latest rendition of ain't it awful?. DX is. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
At 06:34 AM 04/30/2007, Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). As another New Jersian, I can say they had a very readable signal most of the day on Sunday (when you could hear beneath the QRM). This morning they're about 53 (but perfectly copyable) as of 8:45am, short-path. I was able to hear them from the time they first showed up until about 3pm (Eastern time), then again from about 6:30 (weakly) on and off before I QSY'd to the TV at 8:30. All I have here is a C31XR (3 el on 20) at 70', so no stacks, etc, here. I'd also suggest checking your feedline! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
A propagation path (or lack thereof) can be highly localized at this point in the cycle. Although I have heard them at times (always working Europe or Japan when they can be heard here) thus far they have not moved my S meter. The numbers (propagation) have been quite poor, but more or less normal at this point in the cycle. I use three different propagation programs, 2 of which take into consideration station technical characteristics. None of them offer more than a very narrow window of opportunity to work them from this immediate area. For reference: The primary station here is an Icom 756 ProIII; 5 element monoband at 90 feet. The secondary station is an Icom 756 ProII with a Telrex TB6EM at 85 feet fixed on 315 degrees. i am in EM20ih. Good hunting! Dave, W5WP Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). 73, Jerry K3BZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
BS7H sure was loud this morning. When he took a break from the JAs and asked for NA only, he only worked 1 or 2 and I don't think he heard any more. There were lots of us calling him, but the prop seemed to be one way. 73, Jerry K3BZ 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: N4BAA - Jose Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Good Morning! BS7 was rocking into Eastern VA this morningeven as I write he is still 569. He peaked 589/599 at 1215z this morning. Both CW and SSB they were nice and strong...but only listened for USA for 2-3 min max on SSB... Then went to EU...I am sure they have a plan ...let's hope they work the JA pile down a bit I am also sure patience will pay off! Good Hunting! Jose - N4BAA www.vadxcg.com Peter Dougherty wrote: At 06:34 AM 04/30/2007, Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). As another New Jersian, I can say they had a very readable signal most of the day on Sunday (when you could hear beneath the QRM). This morning they're about 53 (but perfectly copyable) as of 8:45am, short-path. I was able to hear them from the time they first showed up until about 3pm (Eastern time), then again from about 6:30 (weakly) on and off before I QSY'd to the TV at 8:30. All I have here is a C31XR (3 el on 20) at 70', so no stacks, etc, here. I'd also suggest checking your feedline! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
The K index was 5 this morning and it is a polar path. K is now 1, so that should help... Barry W2UP Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H sure was loud this morning. When he took a break from the JAs and asked for NA only, he only worked 1 or 2 and I don't think he heard any more. There were lots of us calling him, but the prop seemed to be one way. 73, Jerry K3BZ 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: N4BAA - Jose Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Good Morning! BS7 was rocking into Eastern VA this morningeven as I write he is still 569. He peaked 589/599 at 1215z this morning. Both CW and SSB they were nice and strong...but only listened for USA for 2-3 min max on SSB... Then went to EU...I am sure they have a plan ...let's hope they work the JA pile down a bit I am also sure patience will pay off! Good Hunting! Jose - N4BAA www.vadxcg.com Peter Dougherty wrote: At 06:34 AM 04/30/2007, Jerry Keller wrote: BS7H was 5-5 to 5-7 much of the afternoon here in eastern PA, n a 3 el yagi. I'm surprised that they couldn't be heard in NJ, just a few miles east of my QTH. Must be something wrong with the antenna or the feedline. Or maybe an arrogant, ill-mannered attitude blocks the ears (as well as the head). As another New Jersian, I can say they had a very readable signal most of the day on Sunday (when you could hear beneath the QRM). This morning they're about 53 (but perfectly copyable) as of 8:45am, short-path. I was able to hear them from the time they first showed up until about 3pm (Eastern time), then again from about 6:30 (weakly) on and off before I QSY'd to the TV at 8:30. All I have here is a C31XR (3 el on 20) at 70', so no stacks, etc, here. I'd also suggest checking your feedline! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Perhaps self discipline is a lost art. Certainly here in the UK, respect for other human beings are now a lost art, particularly in the cities where gangs of feral youths terrorize neighborhoods, vandalize anything in sight and stab of shoot each other. Education is long dead. Hello guys, I've been D.X.ing for about 16 years, and I couldn't agree more with the statement above. I sometime's feel we as the experienced hams are some what to blame a little for what's going on. Over the years I've seen, and heard many Elmer's , or more experienced hams not passing on proper operating procedural ham traditions to new hams. Nothing like I remember when I became a ham. Attitude's have changed, and everything because their afraid of being called a LID. Hah! Please! Some hams in the hobby 30-40 years want change so they've ignored proper operating edict cy for being hip, and cool with the new crowds that have no interest in R.F. Thus passing it too other hams down the line not having respect for other's and the hobbie. No different over sea's as well, and the d.x. cluster certainly has something to do with it but different subject to the whole respect thing. Very evident on VHF/UHF which if you think about it is where it all starts. This is my first response since I enrolled for receiving these e-mails. For the last 2 years all I do is read the e-mails we get, and read all the bashing going on. Surprise's me to see that so many are envious as too who hears them, and doesn't, and how many forget the oddity propagation exhibit's. All though regional propagation might be alike for ex: the U.K. having likeness propagation property's the New England state's here in the U.S. have. Like Southern, and Central Europe have compared to Southern, and central U.S. has. Even New York City, and Upstate New York where some have better chance at working d.x. just because of the altitude their at in upstate N.Y. also noting the low level of noise floor in comparison. We can go into axis of the earth, and Aurora over the North Pole to the central equatorial propagation properties. A good ham will be patient, and diligent. Calculating propagation, and knowing how to filter the noise. If intentional QRM'ing occur's there's not much one can do. Hmm! Wonder if Europe getting rid of CW, and U.S. getting rid of it has anything to do with the increase in malpractice operating and jamming? Everyone's prediction worst fear perhaps' coming true? Good Luck D.X. Guy's! N2RRA Eric ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
He is 55 near Boston on short path. No copy on long path. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Maikisch Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:44 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
I saw that Boston callout. No way, Jose. My station -- not too puny --had ZERO copy when that Boston call came out. Pure BS IMO. The best I heard 'em was 52. Our Italian friends played cops on 20 meters. Someone even yelled at ME (when I was working split at 14201) yelling directly at ME! (on the DX freq 14185) N2ERN - working ones -- long after they were calling twos. What lids!!! You could just puke! At least I was in the split range!! I'll still be in there, but my band is 18 -- and I expect (hope) to work 'em there. I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! N2ERN Another reason for DX to call by numbers instead of geographical area.. Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:51:16 -0400 He is 55 near Boston on short path. No copy on long path. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Maikisch Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:44 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA THE BS7H WAS STRONG HERE THIS AFTERNOON INTO NE USA, BUT WAS CALLING EU. I WAS VERY TEMPTED TO CALL HIM ANYWAY BUT LET IT GO. EVEN SO PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE BROKEN THROUGH EU PILE. WISH HE HAD LISTENED FOR NA AT THAT TIME. STILL, IT GIVES ME HOPE THAT IT MIGHT JUST BE POSSIBLE TO GET HIM AFTER ALL. JOHN - K2AZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org _ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet g. I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Punishing all operators from a particular region because a few misbehave just increases the frustation level and puts more QRM on the DX frequency. Its unfortunate that we must deal with such miscreants, but every region has their share. Like bad weather, they're always around somewhere. With the first day of a DXPedition to a rare entity falling on a weekend, the result is highly predictable. In the Complete DXer, Bob W9KNI says But sometimes, the experienced DX'er gets into a situation where it quickly becomes obvious that there is no hope of a QSO. And it is then the frustrated DX'er shows the world, or at least himself, what kind of person he is. Does he QSY, or does he cause needless or even intentional QRM? Does he update the propagation forecasts and check the NCDXF beacons, or does he steam up the hill with beady eyes blazing in search of anyone who'll listen to his latest rendition of ain't it awful?. DX is. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat List Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet g. I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] BS7H INTO NE USA
Things will settle down give it a few days actually they are smart working the JA, EUs first give them something upfront and propagation will be even better for us This morning I was copying BS7H 579 short path here in Missouri its only gonna get better Peter Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not by any means a newcomer to DX, but THIS is worse than ever -- and no one can blame the US lids for it!!! Call by numbers is fine -- as long as WE can hear what numbers the DX is calling!!. Shame on the world's hams!! I Couldn't agree more. I was listening all day on both CW and SSB and the degree of insanity I heard was unlike anything I've ever heard anywhere, ever. I've never operated on CB but could it have been any worse than 14185 was today? Time for a good Rettysnitching, I say. I really don't understand what it is with (southern) European hams' attitudes. If you believe any of the propagation prediction programs, Europe generally has propagation to BS7 24 hours a day on at least one band, often as many as 5 or 6 bands are good simultaneously, so if the Scarborough guys are QRV chances are EU DXers will get a much better shot at them than NA will. Serious European DXers will likely get them on several bands and modes. Yet in the 3 hour window for NA, these clowns won't stand by or stop bitching on the DX frequency. On the other hand, it would also be nice if the team would call NA for a few hours at a time; seemed like it was JA and EU day all day long. I'm sure that will change in the next day or two, so I'm not too worried. Yet . I don't know what the answer is; perhaps the DX operators once in a while should have a listen to their TX frequency and administer the clue bat when things get bad. Maybe along the lines of since you are so badly behaved, no more Europe for the next 12 hours, and hold to it. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Michael W. Elliott, CISSP (Certified Information Security Specialist Professional) THE INSIDE ADVANTAGE - RETIREMENT - LEISURE, REST and ONLY ELECTRONIC MAIL PAYMENTS Servant to Bridgett, Collin and all my Creditors St. Louis County Missouri Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
