Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-18 Thread Norm Gertz
To devote so much space to the "freeband" matter is of questionable value. The "Freebanders" must be jumping up and down with glee at the attention they are getting. Cant we confine ourselves to legitimate amateur radio DXCC issues? NormK1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems h

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-18 Thread Tom Provost
What I can't understand is why any licensed amateur would WANT to operate freeband? Perhaps some of the Chesterfield or Sable Island crew can explain? As Homer Simson might sat..." Green Stamps" To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflecto

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Kris Mraz
I would recommend that the DXAC simply apply DXCC rule 12, specifically 12c: 12. Conduct: Exemplary conduct is expected of all amateur radio operators participating in the DXCC program. Evidence of intentionally disruptive operating practices or inappropriate ethical conduct in any aspect of DX

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Ron Notarius WN3VAW
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread John Warren
James N6DHZ wrote: Everyone keeps saying these operations/operators are illegal. If the licensing authority of the host country does not deem it illegal then it would seem to be that the operation is legal. I belive this was the case in Chesterfield... Several of the earlier posts, a week or t

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread John and Mari Minke
Not really, and you answered this yourself. 22.72 amps! Of course, you would be using the same type of circuit as for your electric clothes dryer. If you use a double-oven you might even be using a 50 amp circuit. No need for three-phase. John N6JM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Running 5KW f

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread James Shryne, N6DHZ
At the risk of being boiled in oil for the following let me preface this by saying I don't support the "Freeband" operations/concept etc. etc. Everyone keeps saying these operations/operators are illegal. If the licensing authority of the host country does not deem it illegal then it would seem

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Ron Notarius WN3VAW
anuary 1970 - Original Message - From: ray To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For Well put, Tom. To run 5KW Output you would need 8KW input...well be

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Ron Notarius WN3VAW
K), Newark Sunday News, 11 January 1970 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For Running 5KW from the average residential place might be har

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread ray
Well put, Tom. To run 5KW Output you would need 8KW input...well beyond the normal single phase service to the average ham shack. I think our friend in Iowa was merely making a shot gun approach statement without any facts to back it up. K6VX  

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Htorr
Running 5KW from the average residential place might be hard to do.  Normally to run this type of power you need three-phase primary power and this is usually not available in residential areas --- in fact it is often hard to obtain in light-industrial areas.   Figure it out for yourself,

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread JV
Hi Ron Ever heard of Gator Stakes? Same as Free Band, hi hi. JV "many . . . who run 5,000 watts." Really? I must be living in a jaded area. I live in the greater Lansing Michigan area and I have been to many shacks and several contest stations and have not seen such power present. Ro

[DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread ray
Anything over 5W to the ex CBers sounds like 5KW... Wonder how many vanity calls he will try B4 he finds the one he likes.   //snipThey know what they're doing is illegal and they don't care that it'sillegal and they don't care how you feel about

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread ronsue
//snip They know what they're doing is illegal and they don't care that it's illegal and they don't care how you feel about it. Just like the many 75 meter ops who run 5,000 watts. //snip "many . . . who run 5,000 watts." Really? I must be living in a jaded area. I live in the greater Lansing

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Scott Manthe
No, my long winded post said that we should clean up our own back yards before we worry about someone else's. 73, Scott, W9AL > > Your long-winded post appears to say that you think the freebanders are > justified, since some hams also break the rules. An interesting concept. > If you follow it i

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Mike(W5UC) & Kathy(K5MWH) Watson
I'm really struggling with this discussion and the amount of verbiage involved.  Illegal means against the law; period.  It's a lot like pregnant.  Either you are, or you aren't. If you are operating illegally on or off the ham bands, your butt belongs in jail. "age and treachery will overcome yo

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread Zack Widup
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Scott Manthe wrote: > > > > These people seem to be completely oblivious or ignorant of the fact that > > what they are doing is illegal. > > They know what they're doing is illegal and they don't care that it's > illegal and they don't care how you feel about it. Just like t

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread John E Bastin, K8AJS
At 1:08 AM -0600 12/17/02, Scott Manthe wrote: And I don't want to hear ANY BS about how amateur radio's been dumbed down and how much harder it was for you to get your license way back when than it is now. A change in requirements doesn't justify disrespecting the people in the hobby or the rules

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-17 Thread W2AGN
On 17 Dec 2002 at 1:08, Scott Manthe wrote: > It's nice that you're so diligent and concientious, Zack. Unfortunately, > many of your fellow amateurs don't hold the rules in nearly as high regard > as you. Take a listen to any band during a major (especially phone) contest > weekend. Do you act

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-16 Thread Scott Manthe
> > These people seem to be completely oblivious or ignorant of the fact that > what they are doing is illegal. They know what they're doing is illegal and they don't care that it's illegal and they don't care how you feel about it. Just like the many 75 meter ops who run 5,000 watts. > > Yes, yo

Re: [DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-16 Thread Zack Widup
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: > During the CY0MM DXpedition, there was a little flap here 'n' there about > the "Sugar Delta" web pages of the so-called "freebanders." > > Many were unhappy with any potential illegal operation that could impact on > amateur radio, which is to be

[DX-CHAT] Be Careful What You Wish For

2002-12-16 Thread Ron Notarius WN3VAW
During the CY0MM DXpedition, there was a little flap here 'n' there about the "Sugar Delta" web pages of the so-called "freebanders." Many were unhappy with any potential illegal operation that could impact on amateur radio, which is to be expected. Some of the comments made got, well, rather hea