[DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread jcowens1
In looking back at past issues of the DXCC Yearbook, I find that the 1993 (my 
first year in it), the DXCC Listing was 19 pages long. The 2002 issue had 27 
pages to the list. It is obvious that participation has grown quite a bit over 
the years, and you would think that ARRL DXCC would enjoy this and want to 
nurture it. DXCC Challenge is something new that they came up with and started 
promoting heavily around 2004. Its 12 pages replaced the DXCC listing in that 
issue, and the DXCC Listing has never returned. 

The DXCC Challenge list has now been removed and replaced by the 5 page 160M 
DXCC List (what do we need this for with its limited number of participants). 
The rest of the 32 page Yearbook contains DXpedition related articles like we 
get every month in How's DX. There are many DX reports that contain this kind 
of information and we don't need the DXCC Yearbook to just get more of it.  Let 
Bernie do it in his column, and put the DXCC Lists back in the Yearbook. It is 
what the Yearbook was all about a few years ago, and it should be returned to 
that status.

Sincerely

John Owens - N7TK

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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH)

AMEN John:

Last year when I complained that the annual DXCC listings were 
missing, a part of the explanation I got verbally from a particular 
League official, was that the DX Challenge is now the premier DX 
Award in the league DX program.  Pardon my French, but BS.  That's a 
matter of opinion. Challenge may possibly be attracting more 
attention, but Challenge is the newest big thing.  I would expect 
that there would naturally be a flurry of new activity there. DXCC, 
however, is still the original, and IMHO, the most prestigious of the 
DX awards. (don't challenge me with the merits of all of your 
favorite awards; I don't want to hear it)


I also, don't know who,when, decided that the Yearbook needed to look 
like Parade Magazine in my Sunday paper, with a lengthy review of all 
of the news I saw on Fox News this past week. Please, just take it 
back to it's original form and leave it alone.


It really would be nice if people would quit trying to discover a way 
to destroy the few remaining traditions we have left. I'm so sick I 
want to puke from operators ending correspondence  on air 
communications with 73's.  The term is 73; please learn what it 
means, and use it correctly, and please leave the Yearbook tradition alone


73,
Mike, W5UC

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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread jcowens1
Mike:

I couldn't have expressed it better than you have. DXCC has a 40+year (that I 
know of) history and it is the pinnacle of DX awards. I don't participate in 
DXCC Challenge as it takes way to much time to make a dent in the standings. 
More power to those who do like it. I have, however, put 15 years of my life 
pursuing a high position on the DXCC List, and many others have put many more 
years in the same pursuit. Some people become SK's before the get to the top of 
it, and that may well happen to me. 

When you become a SK and your call sign ceases to be active, you fall off the 
list. It is a badge of honor to be high on the list, and the ultimate 
distinction is to reach the top. That remains my goal. The DXCC List in the 
Yearbook is our report card in this pursuit and it, if nothing else, should be 
in the DXCC Yearbook. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You and I are not alone 
in this feeling.

Sincerely


John Owens - N7TK

-- Original message -- 
From: Mike(W5UC)  Kathy(K5MWH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 AMEN John: 
 
 Last year when I complained that the annual DXCC listings were 
 missing, a part of the explanation I got verbally from a particular 
 League official, was that the DX Challenge is now the premier DX 
 Award in the league DX program. Pardon my French, but BS. That's a 
 matter of opinion. Challenge may possibly be attracting more 
 attention, but Challenge is the newest big thing. I would expect 
 that there would naturally be a flurry of new activity there. DXCC, 
 however, is still the original, and IMHO, the most prestigious of the 
 DX awards. (don't challenge me with the merits of all of your 
 favorite awards; I don't want to hear it) 
 
 I also, don't know who,when, decided that the Yearbook needed to look 
 like Parade Magazine in my Sunday paper, with a lengthy review of all 
 of the news I saw on Fox News this past week. Please, just take it 
 back to it's original form and leave it alone. 
 
 It really would be nice if people would quit trying to discover a way 
 to destroy the few remaining traditions we have left. I'm so sick I 
 want to puke from operators ending correspondence  on air 
 communications with 73's. The term is 73; please learn what it 
 means, and use it correctly, and please leave the Yearbook tradition alone 
 
 73, 
 Mike, W5UC 
 
 age  treachery will overcome youth  skill 
 http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ 
 
 
 
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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread Jim Abercrombie
I'll say again,  you assume all dx'ers have the internet.  The internet is not 
available for most African locations unless you live in a large African city.  
The same is true for South America. A lot of rural locations in the US does not 
have internet available-thus the FCC wants BPL. Nothing strokes the ego like 
seeing your call in print in a publication that you share with the other top 
dx'ers.
Jim
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Heger 
  To: DX Chat 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook


  Why not just make the Yearbook available as a .pdf file.  It could easily be 
whatever number of pages is needed for all listings to be shown.  Then anyone 
wanting a paper copy just needs to print it out.

  73, Tim - N3XX
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To: DX Chat 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook


In looking back at past issues of the DXCC Yearbook, I find that the 1993 
(my first year in it), the DXCC Listing was 19 pages long. The 2002 issue had 
27 pages to the list. It is obvious that participation has grown quite a bit 
over the years, and you would think that ARRL DXCC would enjoy this and want to 
nurture it. DXCC Challenge is something new that they came up with and started 
promoting heavily around 2004. Its 12 pages replaced the DXCC listing in that 
issue, and the DXCC Listing has never returned. 

The DXCC Challenge list has now been removed and replaced by the 5 page 
160M DXCC List (what do we need this for with its limited number of 
participants). The rest of the 32 page Yearbook contains DXpedition related 
articles like we get every month in How's DX. There are many DX reports that 
contain this kind of information and we don't need the DXCC Yearbook to just 
get more of it.  Let Bernie do it in his column, and put the DXCC Lists back in 
the Yearbook. It is what the Yearbook was all about a few years ago, and it 
should be returned to that status.

Sincerely

John Owens - N7TK

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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread Tim Heger
Why not just make the Yearbook available as a .pdf file.  It could easily be 
whatever number of pages is needed for all listings to be shown.  Then anyone 
wanting a paper copy just needs to print it out.

73, Tim - N3XX
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: DX Chat 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:20 AM
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook


  In looking back at past issues of the DXCC Yearbook, I find that the 1993 (my 
first year in it), the DXCC Listing was 19 pages long. The 2002 issue had 27 
pages to the list. It is obvious that participation has grown quite a bit over 
the years, and you would think that ARRL DXCC would enjoy this and want to 
nurture it. DXCC Challenge is something new that they came up with and started 
promoting heavily around 2004. Its 12 pages replaced the DXCC listing in that 
issue, and the DXCC Listing has never returned. 

  The DXCC Challenge list has now been removed and replaced by the 5 page 160M 
DXCC List (what do we need this for with its limited number of participants). 
The rest of the 32 page Yearbook contains DXpedition related articles like we 
get every month in How's DX. There are many DX reports that contain this kind 
of information and we don't need the DXCC Yearbook to just get more of it.  Let 
Bernie do it in his column, and put the DXCC Lists back in the Yearbook. It is 
what the Yearbook was all about a few years ago, and it should be returned to 
that status.

  Sincerely

  John Owens - N7TK

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RE: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread Ron Notarius W3WN
What he said (Pete beat me to it)... but let me add this:

I have read over the years that when statistics are compiled for the
political goniffs at the US Capitol, on average a single letter from a
single person (not an email, phone call, form letter, or name on a petition)
is considered equivalent to representing a minimum of 1000 other people.

Yeah... at least 1000 other people who feel the same way but didn't bother
to write.

So:  I would strongly suggest that if you have strong feelings -- either
way -- about the DXCC Yearbook, it's current format  content, and it's
future... calmly explain to the DXCC Desk how you feel and why (anger will
do no good, reason will)... and mail it today.  Oh, and make copies and send
them to your Division Director and Vice Director too.

I don't know if the 1:1001 ratio holds true in the Amateur ranks, but just
imagine the impact if most or all subscribers to this list, and others who
feel the same way, make their wishes known.

After all... Newington is NOT the League.  It is merely the staff 
administrative Headquarters.  WE, the members, ARE the League.  So it is up
to US to tell our representatives -- the Section Managers, the Division
Directors, the Officers, the Staff -- what we want.  Otherwise, they will
react as they best see fit, and react based on the input from others that
they DO get.

Oh yes... not only tell them how you feel, but add how you think they can
accomplish this.

(Me?  I lack standing to have an opinion.  Since I have continued to
procrastinate and never did get around to sending in my cards to apply for
DXCC in any form, I have yet to see a DXCC Yearbook, so I have no way of
knowing what's different, what's missing, what doesn't belong, and how to
improve it.  So I can't lead by example on this one, but don't let MY
procrastination stop you from doing this!)

73, ron w3wn

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
Dougherty
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 3:17 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook


Many on this reflector have made some excellent points on this topic.
I would suggest these comments be put in writing to Newington
(preferably by snail-mail) rather than preaching to the choir here.
My letter is going out in tomorrow's post, and I would urge others to
do likewise.



Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT



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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread Gerry Hohn
 



  Works for me. Don't need to chop down trees for those of us on the Net and 
don't need to see our call in print.

  Gerry VE6LB

- Original Message - 
From: Tim Heger 
To: DX Chat 
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook


Why not just make the Yearbook available as a .pdf file.  It could easily 
be whatever number of pages is needed for all listings to be shown.  Then 
anyone wanting a paper copy just needs to print it out.

73, Tim - N3XX
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: DX Chat 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:20 AM
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook


  In looking back at past issues of the DXCC Yearbook, I find that the 1993 
(my first year in it), the DXCC Listing was 19 pages long. The 2002 issue had 
27 pages to the list. It is obvious that participation has grown quite a bit 
over the years, and you would think that ARRL DXCC would enjoy this and want to 
nurture it. DXCC Challenge is something new that they came up with and started 
promoting heavily around 2004. Its 12 pages replaced the DXCC listing in that 
issue, and the DXCC Listing has never returned. 

  The DXCC Challenge list has now been removed and replaced by the 5 page 
160M DXCC List (what do we need this for with its limited number of 
participants). The rest of the 32 page Yearbook contains DXpedition related 
articles like we get every month in How's DX. There are many DX reports that 
contain this kind of information and we don't need the DXCC Yearbook to just 
get more of it.  Let Bernie do it in his column, and put the DXCC Lists back in 
the Yearbook. It is what the Yearbook was all about a few years ago, and it 
should be returned to that status.

  Sincerely

  John Owens - N7TK

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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread Barry
It's all about dumb it down and try to appeal to the new breed of hams.  
Did you see the latest Antenna Issue of QST?  All those VHF antenna 
projects are a joke.  While ARRL wants to appeal to the shack on the 
belt gang, to increase the membership roster, do they really think they 
would or could build anything?


And a hearty Best Wisheses to you Mike :.)
73,
Barry

Mike(W5UC)  Kathy(K5MWH) wrote:


It really would be nice if people would quit trying to discover a way 
to destroy the few remaining traditions we have left. I'm so sick I 
want to puke from operators ending correspondence  on air 
communications with 73's.  The term is 73; please learn what it 
means, and use it correctly, and please leave the Yearbook tradition 
alone


73,
Mike, W5UC

age  treachery will overcome youth  skill
http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/


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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-25 Thread Peter Dougherty
Many on this reflector have made some excellent points on this topic. 
I would suggest these comments be put in writing to Newington 
(preferably by snail-mail) rather than preaching to the choir here. 
My letter is going out in tomorrow's post, and I would urge others to 
do likewise.




Cheers,

Peter,
W2IRT  




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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread Shelby Summerville
Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:  If that's all that's in this year's edition, it's 
going to be a real letdown.


Couldn't have said it better, myself!!

C'Ya, Shelby - K4WW 



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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread DAVE WHITE
Bizarrely I received my yearbook a couple of weeks ago, and I'm 3000 miles 
away
   
  There are a few interesting articles in it.
   
  Personally I've never been bothered about seeing listings.  I know how many 
I've worked, how many I need and I work DX for my own satisfaction, not to see 
myself in a league table.
   
  In any case, shouldn't listings be put on a website somewhere on the ARRL 
site?  It's 2007, not 1957, so why tie up about a zillion sheets of paper with 
something that's out of date by the time it's printed?
   
  cheers
   
  Dave G0OIL
   
  

Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  At 09:04 PM 7/23/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Since they removed the DXCC listings, including the Honor Roll List, 
it is nothing more than reading How's DX on steroids. I no longer 
look forward to receiving it. But keep in mind, DXCC did this in our 
best interest. I know they put the lists in the Aug or Sept QST, but 
it ain't the same.

They put the Honor Roll list (deadline: 3/31) into a late-Summer QST. 
But that's it. It's not a complete DXCC listing, for which they 
invented the DXCC Yearbook to move all that stuff out of QST.

If that's all that's in this year's edition, it's going to be a real letdown.

73 - Jim AD1C



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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread Osten B Magnusson
 
Dave!

 shouldn't listings be put on a website somewhere on the ARRL site?  

The listings,  updated every day,  has been on the WEB-site for a long time, 
however right now they have a database problem (to be fixed soon).

73/DX de Osten  SM5DQC 
  - Original Message - 
  From: DAVE WHITE 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; DX Chat 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 11:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook


  Bizarrely I received my yearbook a couple of weeks ago, and I'm 3000 miles 
away

  There are a few interesting articles in it.

  Personally I've never been bothered about seeing listings.  I know how many 
I've worked, how many I need and I work DX for my own satisfaction, not to see 
myself in a league table.

  In any case, shouldn't listings be put on a website somewhere on the ARRL 
site?  It's 2007, not 1957, so why tie up about a zillion sheets of paper with 
something that's out of date by the time it's printed?

  cheers

  Dave G0OIL



  Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 09:04 PM 7/23/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Since they removed the DXCC listings, including the Honor Roll List, 
it is nothing more than reading How's DX on steroids. I no longer 
look forward to receiving it. But keep in mind, DXCC did this in our 
best interest. I know they put the lists in the Aug or Sept QST, but 
it ain't the same.

They put the Honor Roll list (deadline: 3/31) into a late-Summer QST. 
But that's it. It's not a complete DXCC listing, for which they 
invented the DXCC Yearbook to move all that stuff out of QST.

If that's all that's in this year's edition, it's going to be a real 
letdown.

73 - Jim AD1C



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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread Tom Anderson

Jim:

My XYL and I received ours last week.

Tom, WW5L



Jim Abercrombie wrote:
Has the league started mailing out the DXCC Yearbook yet? If not, when 
can we expect them, if you know?

Jim N4JA

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread Tom Anderson

Jim:

My XYL and I received ours last week.

Tom, WW5L



Jim Abercrombie wrote:
Has the league started mailing out the DXCC Yearbook yet? If not, when 
can we expect them, if you know?

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[DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread Jim Abercrombie
After standing out by the mailbox all night, my DXCC Yearbook finally came 
today. I was so looking forward to seeing my call in there for the Challenge 
award.  I thought that was the reason we had to have all of our cards in by 
12/31/06 so they would count for this years Challenge Award. This year's 
yearbook was the worst piece of junk I have ever seen since I have been getting 
the book. I promptly threw mine in the trash to be recycled. I hold DXCC Phone 
award number 2298 and I have been at the top of the honor roll for several 
years. I was ahead of K4MQG in the phone listings because I had already had 
BS7H confirmed from 1995. I'm sure he has caught me by now.  The only thing I 
have to work for now is the Challenge Award and that's why I was greatly 
disappointed in this year's yearbook.  The ARRL can save money by not sending 
me a yearbook next year.  It is useless in it's present form.
Jim

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Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread Richard Joey Fiero II W5TFW

Got mine today,BIG disapointment,

.W5TFW
Richard Joey Fiero II
W5TFW  EM-40
QSL Manager USS KIDD W5KID
Director 6 Clubwww.6mt.com

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Mine only contained the 160M DXCC listings
W9UM


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook



At 09:04 PM 7/23/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Since they removed the DXCC listings, including the Honor Roll List, it 
is nothing more than reading How's DX on steroids. I no longer look 
forward to receiving it. But keep in mind, DXCC did this in our best 
interest. I know they put the lists in the Aug or Sept QST, but it ain't 
the same.


They put the Honor Roll list (deadline: 3/31) into a late-Summer QST. But 
that's it.  It's not a complete DXCC listing, for which they invented 
the DXCC Yearbook to move all that stuff out of QST.


If that's all that's in this year's edition, it's going to be a real 
letdown.


73 - Jim AD1C



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RE: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Yearbook

2007-07-24 Thread Charles Harpole
A computer listing of one's achievements is still ... even in this modern 
world... NOT as satisfying as seeing it on the printed page.  Computer 
postings are, in the archivest's lingo, ephemeral and so in the extreme.  
Talk to a historian about future documentation research if u want to see a 
guy's face fall.


An organization serves its members.  The greatest thing its paper organ can 
do is FEATURE ITS MEMBERS.  Must be engineers, not humanists, deciding to 
delete paper listings of all contest entrants or all DXCC achievements.  
PAPER FOREVER   73


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-23 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C
--- Jim Abercrombie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Has the league started mailing out the DXCC Yearbook yet? If not, when can we
 expect them, if you know?

I think some have already received them.

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-23 Thread harris_ruben

Mine came last week
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-23 Thread M. Kent Miller
Received mine last week, Jim. Yours is probably somewhere in the USPS system.

Kent - K4MK
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  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:55 PM
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook


  Has the league started mailing out the DXCC Yearbook yet? If not, when can we 
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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-23 Thread Barry

Got mine today
Barry W2UP

Jim Abercrombie wrote:
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can we expect them, if you know?

Jim N4JA

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-23 Thread Bob Beaudet
Mine arrived last Friday.
Bob W1YRC
Rhode Island
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  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 19:55 PM
  Subject: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook


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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-23 Thread lmecseri -KE1F

Bob, you are closer to ARRL.

I got mine today in NE Florida

Lou   KE1F

Bob Beaudet wrote:

Mine arrived last Friday.
Bob W1YRC
Rhode Island

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Re: [DX-CHAT] Dxcc yearbook

2007-07-23 Thread Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH)

Got mine today.

73,
Mike, W5UC


At 06:55 PM 7/23/2007, Jim Abercrombie wrote:
Has the league started mailing out the DXCC Yearbook yet? If not, 
when can we expect them, if you know?

Jim N4JA


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