Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
Not valid for you? Or not valid for either you or your unsuspecting QSO partner as well? 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius WN3VAW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Um, yes, but I do believe that under current DXCC rules, if you are in one entity and you operate a remote or auxilliary station that's in another, the contacts you make are not valid for DXCC purposes. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve-KF2TI Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:00 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions On a different slant, I read, recently, in QST that you can set up some software that will allow remote operation of your own radio from anywhere in the workd, provided you have access to the internet and another computer So, I set this up and what?? the Tango Italy station go ahead Thank you This is KF2TI u r 59, name is Steve over Tnx Steve this is kp2/kf2ti, I am also 59. BTW how do i sound over Kp2/kf2ti, this is kf2ti I sound great over Rgr me, do i qsl buro or direct up to you 73 have i hope i have a good operation Rgr that I am sure I will On 3 Apr 2006 at 18:13, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: Date sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:13:12 -0700 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org From: Fred Stevens K2FRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Seems to me if one isn't home to serve as control operator, then the actual operator would be obligated to use his/her own callsign even if it's the DX operator's gear. I haven't bothered going into the Part 97 Rules to determine the specifics on this. I might also have an ethical problem with this, even if this is a loophole in DXCC rules, since it's not really working yourself; rather, it's you working your own equipment and somebody else. There's also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which, in essence states that one object (or person) cannot be in two places at the same time. =-O It took me several years to make contact with CQ Zone Two from home even though I have run mini-DXpeditions to VO2 land in Zone Two. All this said, I *DO* talk to myself a lot these days in my encroaching old age. :-[ 73 de Fred K2FRD, VO2FS At 20:37 -0400 03/04/2006, Bill wrote: What are your thoughts of you working yourself on DXPeditions. I have been told that you can have someone come to your house and work you while you are on a DXPedition using your call and you will get DXCC credit. Wow, you can get DXCC and never work a station yourself? Let someone else use your station and call and do it for you! Would a DXCC for Hire Person be in order? How does this sound? HH4/W4WX de W4WX 59 over. According to the rules this is legal. See rule #10 of the DXCC rules on the ARRL web site. Bill W4WX -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
My one wish in this regard is that if they ever re-vamp the DXCC rules, some form of credit could go to the operator(s) for the entity worked, as a courtesy. I'd hate to miss a once-in-a-lifetime chance to travel to a remote entity just because I don't have them on any band. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve-KF2TI Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:00 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPedition - Peter W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
As I understand the situation (and I could be wrong!), since the control operator is not in the same DXCC entity as the remote controlled station, the RC station would not be considered acceptable for DXCC purposes. Therefore, it would not be valid for DXCC for anyone. Or am I wrong folks? 73 From: Jerry Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue Apr 04 10:10:53 CDT 2006 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Not valid for you? Or not valid for either you or your unsuspecting QSO partner as well? 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Ron Notarius WN3VAW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Um, yes, but I do believe that under current DXCC rules, if you are in one entity and you operate a remote or auxilliary station that's in another, the contacts you make are not valid for DXCC purposes. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve-KF2TI Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:00 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions On a different slant, I read, recently, in QST that you can set up some software that will allow remote operation of your own radio from anywhere in the workd, provided you have access to the internet and another computer So, I set this up and what?? the Tango Italy station go ahead Thank you This is KF2TI u r 59, name is Steve over Tnx Steve this is kp2/kf2ti, I am also 59. BTW how do i sound over Kp2/kf2ti, this is kf2ti I sound great over Rgr me, do i qsl buro or direct up to you 73 have i hope i have a good operation Rgr that I am sure I will On 3 Apr 2006 at 18:13, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: Date sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:13:12 -0700 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org From: Fred Stevens K2FRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Seems to me if one isn't home to serve as control operator, then the actual operator would be obligated to use his/her own callsign even if it's the DX operator's gear. I haven't bothered going into the Part 97 Rules to determine the specifics on this. I might also have an ethical problem with this, even if this is a loophole in DXCC rules, since it's not really working yourself; rather, it's you working your own equipment and somebody else. There's also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which, in essence states that one object (or person) cannot be in two places at the same time. =-O It took me several years to make contact with CQ Zone Two from home even though I have run mini-DXpeditions to VO2 land in Zone Two. All this said, I *DO* talk to myself a lot these days in my encroaching old age. :-[ 73 de Fred K2FRD, VO2FS At 20:37 -0400 03/04/2006, Bill wrote: What are your thoughts of you working yourself on DXPeditions. I have been told that you can have someone come to your house and work you while you are on a DXPedition using your call and you will get DXCC credit. Wow, you can get DXCC and never work a station yourself? Let someone else use your station and call and do it for you! Would a DXCC for Hire Person be in order? How does this sound? HH4/W4WX de W4WX 59 over. According to the rules this is legal. See rule #10 of the DXCC rules on the ARRL web site. Bill W4WX -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
What are your thoughts of you working yourself on DXPeditions. I have been told that you can have someone come to your house and work you while you are on a DXPedition using your call and you will get DXCC credit. Wow, you can get DXCC and never work a station yourself? Let someone else use your station and call and do it for you! Would a "DXCC for Hire Person" be in order? How does this sound? HH4/W4WX de W4WX 59 over. According to the rules this is legal. See rule #10 of the DXCC rules on the ARRL web site. Bill W4WX - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:23 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Gitmo Hi folks, Previously I said I would update the list when I learned something about Gitmo operations. The "official" word, as has been mentioned by other list members, is that Gitmo is not listed in appendix 1 of part 97 as an area regulated by the FCC. The US Navy is the regulatory authority, and as such is the only entity to define what is "proper" operation from Gitmo. 73, Duane, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
Here is a answer I sent to someone that email me: - Original Message Why... I think it is very wrong. It is true you can get on the Honor Roll and never work a station yourself. Do you think this is right? However, it is legal. The only thing you need to do is designate a control operator to operate your station and it is legal. This has to be documented. The control operator is limited to his/her privileges. It is okay for the FCC rules, but the DXCC rules should be changed. The DXCC awards is a personal thing... The DXCC awards states: This certifies that Bill Gallier, W4WX has had two way communicationsetc... It don't say This certifies anyone from this location has workedetc Bill - From: Bill To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions What are your thoughts of you working yourself on DXPeditions. I have been told that you can have someone come to your house and work you while you are on a DXPedition using your call and you will get DXCC credit. Wow, you can get DXCC and never work a station yourself? Let someone else use your station and call and do it for you! Would a "DXCC for Hire Person" be in order? How does this sound? HH4/W4WX de W4WX 59 over. According to the rules this is legal. See rule #10 of the DXCC rules on the ARRL web site. Bill W4WX
Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
On a different slant, I read, recently, in QST that you can set up some software that will allow remote operation of your own radio from anywhere in the workd, provided you have access to the internet and another computer So, I set this up and what?? the Tango Italy station go ahead Thank you This is KF2TI u r 59, name is Steve over Tnx Steve this is kp2/kf2ti, I am also 59. BTW how do i sound over Kp2/kf2ti, this is kf2ti I sound great over Rgr me, do i qsl buro or direct up to you 73 have i hope i have a good operation Rgr that I am sure I will On 3 Apr 2006 at 18:13, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: Date sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:13:12 -0700 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org From: Fred Stevens K2FRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Seems to me if one isn't home to serve as control operator, then the actual operator would be obligated to use his/her own callsign even if it's the DX operator's gear. I haven't bothered going into the Part 97 Rules to determine the specifics on this. I might also have an ethical problem with this, even if this is a loophole in DXCC rules, since it's not really working yourself; rather, it's you working your own equipment and somebody else. There's also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which, in essence states that one object (or person) cannot be in two places at the same time. =-O It took me several years to make contact with CQ Zone Two from home even though I have run mini-DXpeditions to VO2 land in Zone Two. All this said, I *DO* talk to myself a lot these days in my encroaching old age. :-[ 73 de Fred K2FRD, VO2FS At 20:37 -0400 03/04/2006, Bill wrote: What are your thoughts of you working yourself on DXPeditions. I have been told that you can have someone come to your house and work you while you are on a DXPedition using your call and you will get DXCC credit. Wow, you can get DXCC and never work a station yourself? Let someone else use your station and call and do it for you! Would a DXCC for Hire Person be in order? How does this sound? HH4/W4WX de W4WX 59 over. According to the rules this is legal. See rule #10 of the DXCC rules on the ARRL web site. Bill W4WX -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
and if you bust the call, who's to blame? 73 Don N1DG At 09:59 PM 4/3/2006, Steve-KF2TI wrote: On a different slant, I read, recently, in QST that you can set up some software that will allow remote operation of your own radio from anywhere in the workd, provided you have access to the internet and another computer So, I set this up and what?? the Tango Italy station go ahead Thank you This is KF2TI u r 59, name is Steve over Tnx Steve this is kp2/kf2ti, I am also 59. BTW how do i sound over Kp2/kf2ti, this is kf2ti I sound great over Rgr me, do i qsl buro or direct up to you 73 have i hope i have a good operation Rgr that I am sure I will On 3 Apr 2006 at 18:13, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: Date sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:13:12 -0700 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org From: Fred Stevens K2FRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Seems to me if one isn't home to serve as control operator, then the actual operator would be obligated to use his/her own callsign even if it's the DX operator's gear. I haven't bothered going into the Part 97 Rules to determine the specifics on this. I might also have an ethical problem with this, even if this is a loophole in DXCC rules, since it's not really working yourself; rather, it's you working your own equipment and somebody else. There's also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which, in essence states that one object (or person) cannot be in two places at the same time. =-O It took me several years to make contact with CQ Zone Two from home even though I have run mini-DXpeditions to VO2 land in Zone Two. All this said, I *DO* talk to myself a lot these days in my encroaching old age. :-[ 73 de Fred K2FRD, VO2FS At 20:37 -0400 03/04/2006, Bill wrote: What are your thoughts of you working yourself on DXPeditions. I have been told that you can have someone come to your house and work you while you are on a DXPedition using your call and you will get DXCC credit. Wow, you can get DXCC and never work a station yourself? Let someone else use your station and call and do it for you! Would a DXCC for Hire Person be in order? How does this sound? HH4/W4WX de W4WX 59 over. According to the rules this is legal. See rule #10 of the DXCC rules on the ARRL web site. Bill W4WX -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI QSL Manager: A61AD, A61AO, A61X, A61AQ, KH7Z Member: FOC, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC DON GREENBAUM DUXBURY, MA, USA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
I had several remotely-operated internet-controlled PSK contacts while in Labrador two summers ago. One contact in particular was in Germany using his Austrian callsign, but actually making contact with me through a transceiver in Boston using a W1 prefix before his own callsign (W1/OE8xxx). While we had several pleasant QSOs, if he had QSLed me for VO2 for his OE QTH, I would not have been able to justify sending him a Zone Two card. The below reminds me of a guy serving as his own lawyer. He put himself on the stand, then for each question he would ask of himself, he went down to the floor to ask the question, then return to the stand to answer his own question. It got ridiculous when he asked himself to repeat the question. QSL direct, save yourself a little postage $, a lot of waiting time via the Buro, and send yourself as many green stamps as you have in your wallet. :-D 73 de Fred K2FRD At 1:59 + 04/04/2006, Steve-KF2TI wrote: On a different slant, I read, recently, in QST that you can set up some software that will allow remote operation of your own radio from anywhere in the workd, provided you have access to the internet and another computer So, I set this up and what?? the Tango Italy station go ahead Thank you This is KF2TI u r 59, name is Steve over Tnx Steve this is kp2/kf2ti, I am also 59. BTW how do i sound over Kp2/kf2ti, this is kf2ti I sound great over Rgr me, do i qsl buro or direct up to you 73 have i hope i have a good operation Rgr that I am sure I will -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
Um, yes, but I do believe that under current DXCC rules, if you are in one entity and you operate a remote or auxilliary station that's in another, the contacts you make are not valid for DXCC purposes. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve-KF2TI Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:00 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions On a different slant, I read, recently, in QST that you can set up some software that will allow remote operation of your own radio from anywhere in the workd, provided you have access to the internet and another computer So, I set this up and what?? the Tango Italy station go ahead Thank you This is KF2TI u r 59, name is Steve over Tnx Steve this is kp2/kf2ti, I am also 59. BTW how do i sound over Kp2/kf2ti, this is kf2ti I sound great over Rgr me, do i qsl buro or direct up to you 73 have i hope i have a good operation Rgr that I am sure I will On 3 Apr 2006 at 18:13, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: Date sent: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:13:12 -0700 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org From: Fred Stevens K2FRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions Seems to me if one isn't home to serve as control operator, then the actual operator would be obligated to use his/her own callsign even if it's the DX operator's gear. I haven't bothered going into the Part 97 Rules to determine the specifics on this. I might also have an ethical problem with this, even if this is a loophole in DXCC rules, since it's not really working yourself; rather, it's you working your own equipment and somebody else. There's also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which, in essence states that one object (or person) cannot be in two places at the same time. =-O It took me several years to make contact with CQ Zone Two from home even though I have run mini-DXpeditions to VO2 land in Zone Two. All this said, I *DO* talk to myself a lot these days in my encroaching old age. :-[ 73 de Fred K2FRD, VO2FS At 20:37 -0400 03/04/2006, Bill wrote: What are your thoughts of you working yourself on DXPeditions. I have been told that you can have someone come to your house and work you while you are on a DXPedition using your call and you will get DXCC credit. Wow, you can get DXCC and never work a station yourself? Let someone else use your station and call and do it for you! Would a DXCC for Hire Person be in order? How does this sound? HH4/W4WX de W4WX 59 over. According to the rules this is legal. See rule #10 of the DXCC rules on the ARRL web site. Bill W4WX -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Working yourself on DXPeditions
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Fred Stevens K2FRD wrote: There's also the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which, in essence states that one object (or person) cannot be in two places at the same time. =-O That is, unless he's in a chronosynclastic infundibulum. Then again, we have How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All. (Hey, didn't I just say that on the cq-contest reflector? I hope I'm not sinking into an chronosynclastic infundi...) 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
