RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL
All right gang, once again, please tone it down. Tempers are starting to flare, and the only thing that I want to see with flares right now is the Sun. 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of BKGarcia Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL Mike -- And how did you conclude that eQSL is worthless...? That seems to be your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I'd just like to know how you came to that conclusion. Are you implying there is more fraud in the eQSL database than the DXCC system? If so, how do you know that? If there were fraud in the LoTW, do you think it would be readily exposed by HQ ARRL? I'm not confident it would be, and that's my opinion. And how valuable was the bandwidth you used to slam eQSL compared to the bandwidth others used to piss on the League? Inquiring minds want to know how you made that judgement. In my opinion eQSL is managed with as much integritry as LoTW and the DXCC program. eQSL has an incentive to avoid fraud if they are to be successful (i.e., earn the respect of the ham community while making money). I had to fax a copy of my FCC license to eQSL to register. Isn't that sufficient to avoid fraud? eQSL collects donations and fees. ARRL collects dues and fees. Where do you see a significant difference between eQSL and LoTW other than that the League and DXCC have been in business longer. You didn't slam the CQ Magazine equivalent of DXCC. Does that mean you accept that program? If so, why? What about the CQ WAZ program. 5 Band WAZ seems to me to be a significant achievement -- and you must get paper in hand to get credit, not just a database entry in LoTW. Hu I don't find any significant faults in the way ARRL administers the DXCC program. They seem to take it seriously and work to keep it up to date. I also don't find any fault with either eQSL or the CQ DX programs. All have their rules and they seem to stick to their respective rules. None of those programs are worthless in my opinion. Bert, N8NN - Original Message - From: Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL It's amazing how these discussions always evolve into ARRL bashing sessions. All of this huffing puffing and crying moaning the blues about how sorry ARRL is, but I never see anyone stepping up to the plate to offer anything better. It's a very simple equation. If you don't like the ARRL, that's fine. Don't participate in DXCC. Go participate in something worthless like e-qsl, but please don't waste our time and bandwidth pissing moaning about the League. For me, I think they do an excellent job of managing a program that no-one else has the courage(ba**s) nor finding to manage. Get over it! 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL
I'll echo that! John, K5MO(and all you other league haters), please take a reasonable amount of time to sit and think of anything you can that is positive about ARRL. If you can't find anything you are likely among those who just like to bitch about ARRL, and don't know why. I can tell you for sure that back around 1991, they literally saved my butt through the volunteer counsel program. I had an excellent attorney, Jim Hayne himself attended the legal proceedings, and the folks who sued me over my antenna walked away with their tail between their legs. It didn't cost me one red cent. 73, Mike, W5UC At 10:05 PM 3/14/2007, you wrote: Double BRAVO!! The ARRL may not always be right about everything, but it has done more to promote and sustain ham radio than any other organization... - Original Message - From: Ragnar Otterstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL BRAVO !! 73 Rag LA5HE , ARRL life member My point is that ARRL CHANGED, because the consensus of its members changed. The ARRL is not them, it's us! If you don't like the positions taken by your board member, tell him or her, and be prepared to stand for election next time to see if your views get accepted. But despite its imperfections, ARRL represents amateur radio worldwide (not just in the USA) better than any other organization, including IARU. I disagree here ! A particular point of criticism seems to be the DXCC branch, and the way it deals with DXpeditions and potential new DXCC Entities. As a member of the DX Advisory Committee, I'd agree that some of the executive decisions appear on occasion to be arbitrary (7O1YGF, BS7H, etc). Remember, this is only a game !!! But for better or worse there are some key threads which explain most of them: Take the long-term view; Support governments and national amateur radio organizations; And above all try not to risk the integrity of the #1 award in ham radio (memories of Romeo still hurt!). So, when you bash ARRL and especially DXCC, expect me to tune out folks. 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 4:51 PM age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL
This might be appropriate if it was true. Please show one published poll in QST where the membership was polled and the results mandated ARRL to get rid of, or minimize the code test. ARRL is practising what we call representaive democracy, ie. people are elected to decide on our behalf. This is just like in politics ! You may not like what your politicians are deciding , but you have to stick with it untill next election ! Same thing with national societies like ARRL. 73 Rag LA5HE ARRL life member ( although not even having lived over there ! ) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orgattachment: winmail.dat
Re: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL
Jerry: Well said. Bill, NE9Z in Wyoming - Original Message - From: Jerry Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL Double BRAVO!! The ARRL may not always be right about everything, but it has done more to promote and sustain ham radio than any other organization... certainly in this country and maybeworldwide as well. The ARRL has been one of the first and foremost, and has been a model for the national amateur radio organizations of many other countries. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but I'm really, really tired of seeing the ARRL run down all the time. I have no doubt whatsoever that there would be no ham radio in this country without the ARRL. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Ragnar Otterstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL BRAVO !! 73 Rag LA5HE , ARRL life member My point is that ARRL CHANGED, because the consensus of its members changed. The ARRL is not them, it's us! If you don't like the positions taken by your board member, tell him or her, and be prepared to stand for election next time to see if your views get accepted. But despite its imperfections, ARRL represents amateur radio worldwide (not just in the USA) better than any other organization, including IARU. I disagree here ! A particular point of criticism seems to be the DXCC branch, and the way it deals with DXpeditions and potential new DXCC Entities. As a member of the DX Advisory Committee, I'd agree that some of the executive decisions appear on occasion to be arbitrary (7O1YGF, BS7H, etc). Remember, this is only a game !!! But for better or worse there are some key threads which explain most of them: Take the long-term view; Support governments and national amateur radio organizations; And above all try not to risk the integrity of the #1 award in ham radio (memories of Romeo still hurt!). So, when you bash ARRL and especially DXCC, expect me to tune out folks. 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL
BRAVO !! 73 Rag LA5HE , ARRL life member My point is that ARRL CHANGED, because the consensus of its members changed. The ARRL is not them, it's us! If you don't like the positions taken by your board member, tell him or her, and be prepared to stand for election next time to see if your views get accepted. But despite its imperfections, ARRL represents amateur radio worldwide (not just in the USA) better than any other organization, including IARU. I disagree here ! A particular point of criticism seems to be the DXCC branch, and the way it deals with DXpeditions and potential new DXCC Entities. As a member of the DX Advisory Committee, I'd agree that some of the executive decisions appear on occasion to be arbitrary (7O1YGF, BS7H, etc). Remember, this is only a game !!! But for better or worse there are some key threads which explain most of them: Take the long-term view; Support governments and national amateur radio organizations; And above all try not to risk the integrity of the #1 award in ham radio (memories of Romeo still hurt!). So, when you bash ARRL and especially DXCC, expect me to tune out folks. 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orgattachment: winmail.dat
RE: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL
This might be appropriate if it was true. Please show one published poll in QST where the membership was polled and the results mandated ARRL to get rid of, or minimize the code test. Answer: (there were none) There were multiple polls both on-line and otherwise, that showed exactly the opposite. I had this exchange about 3 years ago with Mr Haynie, who also could only produce membership polls that showed strong support for retaining the code test. Likewise the recent proposal to micromanage band allocation by mode/bandwidth. It was NOT supported by the membership, or anyone else other than the WinLink folks, yet it had the strong support of the ARRL. John K5MO My point is that ARRL CHANGED, because the consensus of its members changed. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL
Double BRAVO!! The ARRL may not always be right about everything, but it has done more to promote and sustain ham radio than any other organization... certainly in this country and maybeworldwide as well. The ARRL has been one of the first and foremost, and has been a model for the national amateur radio organizations of many other countries. Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but I'm really, really tired of seeing the ARRL run down all the time. I have no doubt whatsoever that there would be no ham radio in this country without the ARRL. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Ragnar Otterstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] The ARRL BRAVO !! 73 Rag LA5HE , ARRL life member My point is that ARRL CHANGED, because the consensus of its members changed. The ARRL is not them, it's us! If you don't like the positions taken by your board member, tell him or her, and be prepared to stand for election next time to see if your views get accepted. But despite its imperfections, ARRL represents amateur radio worldwide (not just in the USA) better than any other organization, including IARU. I disagree here ! A particular point of criticism seems to be the DXCC branch, and the way it deals with DXpeditions and potential new DXCC Entities. As a member of the DX Advisory Committee, I'd agree that some of the executive decisions appear on occasion to be arbitrary (7O1YGF, BS7H, etc). Remember, this is only a game !!! But for better or worse there are some key threads which explain most of them: Take the long-term view; Support governments and national amateur radio organizations; And above all try not to risk the integrity of the #1 award in ham radio (memories of Romeo still hurt!). So, when you bash ARRL and especially DXCC, expect me to tune out folks. 73, John, NT5C. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
