How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading early to
LoTW? He has never tried it!
Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience anyway.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.
From: Tom Wylie
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Trevor Dunne
Cc: Roger Western ;
I have 48,613 QSO records in my LOTW log.
I also have 19,108 QSL records.
That is a 39% match.
Considering the cost of a new QSL confirmation of $2-$3 U.S. dollars,
ARRL's LOTW is a cost effective alternative to paper QSL.
My 2c worth of observation
Lou
On 5/20/2012 9:11 AM,
Dr Charles
IMHO there is no human right to go on a DXpedition. If we cannot afford it,
there will no operation. If somebody has or can get the means, and has the
inclination, all very good.
I just dont like the idea of not uploading to lOTW unless.
It goes against the
Not excactly rocket science, so even I understand and agree ! Hi
73 rag la5he
I have 48,613 QSO records in my LOTW log.
I also have 19,108 QSL records.
That is a 39% match.
Considering the cost of a new QSL confirmation of $2-$3 U.S. dollars, ARRL's
LOTW is a cost effective alternative
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With all due respect to Roger, who's opinion I do respect. the comments
quoted below from N1DG are taken out of context. If the context had been
clearer, he might not have asked the question.
Doug's presentation yesterday at the DX Forum, which led off all of the
presentations, was on the
This seems to me a manifestation of the entitlement mentality as it relates to
ham radio and dx-peditions? Financial support should be gratuitous, not a
pre-requisite and a group which withholds qsls pending receipt of money from
individual for confirmation of a contact is essentially
Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted?
Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions including
one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations?
You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you quoted me
as saying. I was
What about us who have limited incomes? I was preparing for retirement, but
unfortunately I became disabled before I was vested in
the retirement system. How are we supposed to buy our QSL's? I have a fairly
good station and I have been able to work all the
recent DXpeditions. I was at #66
QSLing has always been a business for some. For example, let's not
forget some DX stations in Reunion and Lebanon, and some QSL mgrs from
France and Germany (at least THEY return a card).
It has just become more blatant in recent years.
Barry W2UP
On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Don Berger wrote:
If you don't have a lot of money then it would seem to me that the
bureau would work nicely.
If you want something a little faster than the bureau, you can try
WF5E. The outgoing QSLs go quickly to the other incoming bureaus and
your incoming cards arrive via the bureau.
A lot of DXpeditions
Hello Don
I dont know more than what I read, but I am sure you will put everything in
perspective. We are an who look forward to that.
Perhaps it yet again all boils down to the old trans-atlantic cultural divide.
QSLing habits, charitable donations, commercialisation are all different in
Actually, WF5E is more efficient than that. I used them for many years in my
earlier QSLs days. You send Les your cards and $$ (or have an account with
$$ on file with Les). He packages your cards with others for DX stations and
managers and send them direct. with an SASE for return to Les.
Have you tried WF5E lately? He came highly recommended. My % of
returned cards has been dismal and I'm being kind. I sent him a LOT of
cards too.
Steve, N4JQQ
Elsie Gerry wrote:
Actually, WF5E is more efficient than that. I used them for many years
in my earlier QSLs days. You
I would not recommend the WF5E service. I tried the service several times
in the past and had really, really poor returns.
Doug
Logic, reason and science don't define everything in this world.
-Original Message-
Actually, WF5E is more efficient than that. I used them for many years
I found that sending Les cards for regular Qs was a waste as they ended up
going through the bureau both ways. I had great luck with using Les for semi
rare and DXpedition cards where there where high volumes going both ways. My
return rate was very high. It's been a couple year since I last
I've never personally tried WF5E. I just read about him. I don't have
an opinion on how reliable he is other than what people have been
saying.
And yes, you can wait a few years and they upload to LoTW. Between the
time I was (and still am) busy with the kids my QSLing of DXpeditions
dropped
I used WF5E in the past, when I was actively chasing DX. My return rate
was pretty good, though some cards took a few years. Be aware that
there are QSL managers and DX stations that will not respond to QSLs
sent through Les. He has a list of them on his web page.
Barry W2UP
On
Ryan hit the nail on the head, gents. Please download and analyze Don's
PowerPoint presentation when it becomes available on the site. There are two
facts that become blatantly obvious. One, the cost-per-QSO incurred by the
DXpeditions to bring you that rare on is very high. In some cases,
And there are others that process Les's requests as a priority (at the
bureau priority level).
Gerry VE6LB
-Original Message-
From: Barry
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:44 PM
To: Dx-Chat
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] DX-PEDITIONS FOR US POOR FOLKS?
I used WF5E in the past, when I was
-pjd is making a valid point, but.
On the other side of the coin, how can you put a price on the thrill of
being on the receiving end of a huge pileup for a week or two???.
If it cost me $5,000 to go to a Dx Expedition, I would not compute my
cost per contact. If I would have to,
Go or don't go. But demanding a fee for a qsl is still extortion in the true
sense of the term
Sent from my iPod
On May 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote:
Lou,
Once again, context is important.
Don's presentation was not talking about the casual
Who is demanding any fees for a QSL?
Name one DXpedition that refuses to answer bureau cards? Or a major
DXPedition that doesn't post their logs to LOTW (most within 6 months). Most
foundations require that in return for funding.
Just because someone who donates $5 gets his card first
First off, great presentation Don!
I thought it gave a great perspective of what these icebreaker
DXpeditions and others to exotic places cost. Someone has to pay for
them. The operators on some DXpeditions often bear a great deal of the
cost themselves. I know a few people who have gotten
There is another point of view to consider. I have been on a number of group
and single DXpeditions. It has cost me thousands of dollars to participate. I
feel that I have already contributed enough money to support the DX community
by operating as DX. Anything that I may contribute above
I'm thinking we all can make the choices we want to make. In terms of
DXpeditions costing a lot of money, if you can't take the heat, stay out
of the kitchen?? However, any operator has the right to set his own
rules for QSL cards, etc. And the rest of us have a choice as to
whether
On 5/20/2012 9:14 PM, Crownhaven wrote:
However, any operator has the right to set his own rules for QSL
cards, etc. And the rest of us have a choice as to whether we want to
abide by those terms.
Absolutely not! No operator has a right to discriminate in his QSL
policy or hold the QSL
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