Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Yes, by number in the call. One hopes that the number of out-of-zone callsigns balance each other out. I.e. for every W6 who lives in Zone 5, there is a W1 somewhere who lives in Zone 3. 73 - Jim AD1C I believe it's much more likely that a W1/2 lives in zone 3 than W6/7 in zone 5. The population trend in the US has been flight from the NE to the SW for a number of years now. Barry W2UP -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Looks like I was off by 5%... I figured 10% of Zone 5 calls weren't actually in Zone 5. Still a pretty good distribution across N.A. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. That might be right, but I don't think it's *too* inaccurate. I think the overall situation is still that the numbers more or less match up here. If you want to do a sample, just type random 1x2 calls into qrz and see if the number matches. I just ran n1aa through n0ad... maybe 10% of 'em were not in their call areas. So stuff 400 more qso's into zone 3, maximum. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Mark, I have to agree and am very sure you are correct regarding how they figured the zones. Even so, I think the percentage may be smaller than we think in the grand scheme of things. Not sure we will ever know. In my opinion, propagation was better than many thought it would be actually. I have a 42 foot boom 5L 20M yagi at 75 feet and BS7H was in every morning here in Extreme Eastern Va. Some mornings they were 10 over S9, some mornings they were only S4, but still workable. Unfortunately, there was an overwhelming desire for this DXPedition to significantly work down the need for this entity, when in fact that just wasn't realistic given the amount of time they were there and the physical restrictions that prohibit elaborate antenna systems. 2L yagi some 12 feet off the water from 1/2 way around the world is a pretty good hurdle to overcome So, the reality of this whole DXPedition was that it was undertaken to break the ice of this desolate location politically for possible future operations...and to give some amateurs the opportunity to work the rarest DXCC entity currently on the list. I too, know those with HUGE antenna systems, stacked arrays, and super legal amps who had monumental problems working them. I also know those, even here locally, that worked them on both modes withing 10 minutes. Additionally, one station here in Va Bch actually worked them barefoot with his wide spaced 3 element yagi at 100 feet. Yes! He happened to be RIGHT THERE when they called CQ the first time...but by golly he is in the log! Amazing actually. My point here is..they surely did not help themselves by listening up in excess of 70 Khz...and NOT following their laid out band plans for working NA...or answering stations who called out of turn or even from the WRONG CONTINENTbut that will always be a fact of this hobby for ever more...unfortunately... Finally, if you heard something you did not like...i/e stations insistent on announcing LID...or what ever.Don't fall victim to that trapand we should all work on developing OPERATOR SKILLS!. You will NEVER BEAT a station/operator with a Big Antenna System AND a Talent Package!!! smiling Given the choice, I will take the Talent package (operating skill) over big antenna any day! For those who have both...You are the minority. For those who DO NOT have both Operator Skill and huge antenna systems...you DO have a say so about obtaining 50% of those two...and 50% will give you far better chance at bagging that rare one the next time than NOT having it! For those who were successful with BS7H!! CONGRATS!! for those who did not get in their log. Be ready next time...it won't be any easier! 73 Jose - N4BAA Mark Robinson wrote: quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Good point but I figured any zone 4 or 5 operating in zone 3 had a much better chance of working him and any zone 3's in zone 4 or 5 had a much lower chance, so this would skew the figures somewhat and tend to dilute the zone 3 number down. I guess that I am surprised by the figures but maybe the answer is that it was difficult from any place in the USA and only those stations with decent antennas worked him. Those stations are equally placed around the USA. Total unique callsigns worked of 17,884 seems pretty low considering the pileups and a 24 hour operation using 4 stations. Mind you it isn't easy to set up a station on a rock in the blistering heat. So I am certainly not knocking the operation. After all they went there and made it happen Mark N1UK - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. That might be right, but I don't think it's *too* inaccurate. I think the overall situation is still that the numbers more or less match up here. If you want to do a sample, just type random 1x2 calls into qrz and see if the number matches. I just ran n1aa through n0ad... maybe 10% of 'em were not in their call areas. So stuff 400 more qso's into zone 3, maximum. Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Mark: I ran the stats based on US zones. Yes, not all W7s live in 7 land, but I think as many 6s live in 4 land as 4s live in 6 land. No said the stats I posted were 100% accurate, but they are statistically accurate if not perfect. hey, this is a hobby... Don N1DG, BS7H webmaster At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote: quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Don Greenbaum Aurum Telemedia Co. 27 Pill Hill Lane, Duxbury, MA 02332 phone: 781 934 5534 http://www.aurumtel.comhttp://www.aurumtel.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
Good comments Jose, I have no sour grapes. I didn't figure on working them but had fun trying. I made a couple of operating errors which may have cost me a chance but I learnt in the progress and I did get to work the slim on 30m hi hi Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: N4BAA - Jose Castillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats Mark, I have to agree and am very sure you are correct regarding how they figured the zones. Even so, I think the percentage may be smaller than we think in the grand scheme of things. Not sure we will ever know. In my opinion, propagation was better than many thought it would be actually. I have a 42 foot boom 5L 20M yagi at 75 feet and BS7H was in every morning here in Extreme Eastern Va. Some mornings they were 10 over S9, some mornings they were only S4, but still workable. Unfortunately, there was an overwhelming desire for this DXPedition to significantly work down the need for this entity, when in fact that just wasn't realistic given the amount of time they were there and the physical restrictions that prohibit elaborate antenna systems. 2L yagi some 12 feet off the water from 1/2 way around the world is a pretty good hurdle to overcome So, the reality of this whole DXPedition was that it was undertaken to break the ice of this desolate location politically for possible future operations...and to give some amateurs the opportunity to work the rarest DXCC entity currently on the list. I too, know those with HUGE antenna systems, stacked arrays, and super legal amps who had monumental problems working them. I also know those, even here locally, that worked them on both modes withing 10 minutes. Additionally, one station here in Va Bch actually worked them barefoot with his wide spaced 3 element yagi at 100 feet. Yes! He happened to be RIGHT THERE when they called CQ the first time...but by golly he is in the log! Amazing actually. My point here is..they surely did not help themselves by listening up in excess of 70 Khz...and NOT following their laid out band plans for working NA...or answering stations who called out of turn or even from the WRONG CONTINENTbut that will always be a fact of this hobby for ever more...unfortunately... Finally, if you heard something you did not like...i/e stations insistent on announcing LID...or what ever.Don't fall victim to that trapand we should all work on developing OPERATOR SKILLS!. You will NEVER BEAT a station/operator with a Big Antenna System AND a Talent Package!!! smiling Given the choice, I will take the Talent package (operating skill) over big antenna any day! For those who have both...You are the minority. For those who DO NOT have both Operator Skill and huge antenna systems...you DO have a say so about obtaining 50% of those two...and 50% will give you far better chance at bagging that rare one the next time than NOT having it! For those who were successful with BS7H!! CONGRATS!! for those who did not get in their log. Be ready next time...it won't be any easier! 73 Jose - N4BAA Mark Robinson wrote: quote BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal end quote How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? A friend of mine who runs a big contest station thought that he would be in and out but spent 16 hours before he worked BS7H and he has stacked mono banders for 20m. There was no JA wall as far as I was concerned just very limited propagation times and too many stations trying to call in the very limited open band times. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats This throws a lot of whining into sharp perspective. They didn't work the U.S. enough? We're second only to JA. Totally impenetrable JA wall? JA was only 900 hams ahead of the U.S. total. Granted they had 3x the QSO's but who around here had a real shot on, say, 40m. BS7H impossible from the east coast? Zone 3 only had 600 more QSO's than zone 4 and zone 5, which were equal. 21kqso to Asia, 16kqso to EU, 7kqso to NA... sounds like they did a good job working the propagation... Lots of selfish hams stealing away the chance for people to get a QSO from BS7H by working them over and over again? I don't think so. 2.5 times as many people got only one QSO as who managed to get two. 2 times as many people managed to get 2 QSO's as got 3. This includes *all* regions. Whoever got 24... wow. 73, Dan
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Yes, by number in the call. One hopes that the number of out-of-zone callsigns balance each other out. I.e. for every W6 who lives in Zone 5, there is a W1 somewhere who lives in Zone 3. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Maybe in a few weeks (no time now), I'll try to identify the state for each USA callsign that was worked, and see how that changes the stats. Still it's a hobby. The numbers aren't perfect, but they give you a general idea of where things are at. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats
- Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, 17 May, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] BS7H QSO Stats At 09:02 PM 5/17/2007, Mark Robinson wrote: How did they figure the US zones - by call sign which isn't too accurate now. My friend a W4 worked BS7H but he lives in 9 land - did his contact count as a 4 land contact - I am sure that it did. I wonder how many Zone 5 and Zone 4 calls are resident in Zone 3? Maybe in a few weeks (no time now), I'll try to identify the state for each USA callsign that was worked, and see how that changes the stats. Still it's a hobby. The numbers aren't perfect, but they give you a general idea of where things are at. 73 - Jim AD1C Yes it would be interesting to see if out of area hams skewed the data much but then the answer may be that there wasn't much of an advantage in operating from the west coast after all. The grass is always greener. Mark N1UK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
