[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-30 Thread Dale Pond
Todd Boyle wrote When will this begin to happen? What is the missing enzyme we're lacking ? - convenience aspects? - better security on the users' computers? - hardware signing devices? - better data integration in B2B business processes? - trust in the host? Do we need deposit

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-30 Thread Craig Haynie
... But wouldn't it be nice if we get the certainty of gold in commerce, without the cost of unnecessarily large reserves. Unnecessarily large reserves? Please, let's not talk about fractional reserves! Actually, I think your example, (where Joe buys GBC to pay a seller, who subsequently

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-29 Thread Todd Boyle
15:08:43 -0400 Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: eCurrencyCrawler [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Aug 2001, at 12:22, SnowDog wrote: Goldfinger Coin and Bullion is selling GoldMoney GoldGrams for only 2%. They must be bailing in the gold

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-29 Thread Todd Boyle
At 12:44 AM 8/28/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (One point .. note that all growth in any DGC comes from bailed in bars. Even if the buy-back trade is 10,000,000 billion per day, the DGC in question has stopped growing unless bars are being bailed in ... at 2-4% for e-gold, or 0% for GM.

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-29 Thread C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc.
On 29 Aug 2001, at 8:52, Todd Boyle wrote: Hmmm what about velocity? Of course, velocity is a sign of health. But the real measure of the success of the DGC and GBC will be the size of the money stock and reserves. That is what shows how confident users are in using, holding and saving the

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-29 Thread David Brooks
Hmmm what about velocity? You could imagine GBC serving its vital role only as a lubricant at the point of exchange then being returned immediately to some settlement lubrication agent. e.g. Joe buys something on ebay. Joe gets some GBC at very low transaction cost somehow, uses it to pay

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-28 Thread Viking Coder
I'd say that the average is more than 5% for retail. For sure, with users willing to pay 7%-15% to obtain e-gold, fees may stay high for a longtime. The high fees are used to offset the high fraud costs associated with the conversion of soft currency to hard currency. Large amounts (10's

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-28 Thread jpm
Large amounts (10's of kg) of e-gold can be obtained without ever bothering with bailing in metal bars. Merchants receive e-gold without paying more than a 1% fee Which merchants ? Any merchant who accepts e-gold. ... *Currently* there aren't that many large merchants aren't any, I

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-28 Thread C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc.
On 28 Aug 2001, at 2:29, Viking Coder wrote: The high fees are used to offset the high fraud costs associated with the conversion of soft currency to hard currency. In the case of the very few MM who take credit cards, I agree. But you will finds rates of 7-13% on things like cashiers's

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-26 Thread JP May
Craig, I wholesale e-gold for less than that .. on a semi-regular basis .. to my circle of MM clients. However you think 2% for GoldMoney is impressive? On orders of GoldMoney over US$75,000, Coconutgold offers ONE-HALF A PERCENT (that's a big SIC ... 0.5%) on GoldMoney purchases!

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-26 Thread Viking Coder
The point I was emphasizing was that it appears that someone is bailing in bars, into the GoldMoney system, other than FideliTrade, which seems to have given up. FideliTrade is no longer listed as a cambio on GoldMoney's site. Doesn't it seem a little odd that GoldMoney's only original

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-26 Thread SnowDog
On the matter of exchange fees... The main reasons for an avg. 5% fee have very little, if anything, to do with the inabillity to bail in bars? (right?) I disagree! I think they would be about 2% less, if they start taking JP up on his offer, or bailing in bars. Large amounts (10's of kg)

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-26 Thread C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc.
On 26 Aug 2001, at 22:14, Viking Coder wrote: FideliTrade is no longer listed as a cambio on GoldMoney's site. Doesn't it seem a little odd that GoldMoney's only original exchange provider has stopped providing that service after only 6 months? Nothing odd there. They just were not ready to

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-26 Thread John-Paul May
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Viking Coder wrote: The point I was emphasizing was that it appears that someone is bailing in bars, into the GoldMoney system, other than FideliTrade, which seems to have given up. FideliTrade is no longer listed as a cambio on GoldMoney's site. Doesn't it seem a

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldMoney Bailment

2001-08-26 Thread John-Paul May
Omnipay at 2%, right? Also, all new e-gold must now come from Omnipay, otherwise the e-gold system wouldn't grow. This means that there is a demand for e-gold in excess of the outexchanges, when e-gold is growing. SnowDog Precisly righ, Craig! Question: (i) who can buy e-gold at spot