[ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Geoffrey Patton
This has been an especially interesting and worthwhile discussion, particularly on the ethics front. My ethics derive from an ecologist whose name I can no longer recall but whose mantra was that Nature took millions of years to sort out the current state and any human-caused change is, by

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Ken Leonard
Hello! Of all the books recommended there are two _against_ which I would strongly recommend: Selfish Gene (Dawkins) and (Diversity of Life) Wilson. Dawkins uses a metaphor (the same-said selfish gene) which _may_ be valid for bio-science majors but which can be severely misleading for

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
Ecolog: Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this discussion so far. I hope others will continue to weigh in. If I may reemphasize, my question was whether or not CULTURAL (post-domestication) dispersal should be distinguished from non-cultural (pre-civilization) dispersal. Another way

[ECOLOG-L] Climate change, animal ecology and behaviour: Call for submissions

2010-05-12 Thread jiazy
Dear Colleagues, The Journal of CURRENT ZOOLOGY (ISSN 1674-5507, http://www.currentzoology.org/index.asp) is preparing a special issue on CLIMATE CHANGE, ANIMAL ECOLOGY AND BEHAVIOUR, WITH SPECIAL EMPHASIS ON RESPONSES TO EXTREME CONDITIONS for one issue of 2011. The deadline for title and

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread James J. Roper
James Crants wrote on 11-May-10 13:05: There's a difference between saying that two species are not ecologically equivalent and saying that two categories of species are not ecologically equivalent. But, ecological equivalents are not really equal in such a way that they are substitutable in

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread James J. Roper
Jason, There are few things qualitatively different about any dispersal agent. But, considering the impact and abundance of humans and their dispersal agents these days, there is a quantitative difference. Also, there is a qualitative difference at least in one respect. Dispersal is an

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
Has anyone suggested The Making of the Fittest by Sean B. Carroll? I have not yet finished reading it, so would be interested in reviews and comments. My general impression so far is that it provides quite a bit of solid meat, therefore not patronizing non-majors, providing enough meat,

[ECOLOG-L] contribution to biomass ~ body size

2010-05-12 Thread James St Clair
Dear All, I'm working on the impacts of invasive predators that prey preferentially on large-bodied native species. I am wondering about impacts on biomass, and whether anyone knows of studies that quantify the contribution to biomass made by terrestrial invertebrates of different

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Howie Neufeld
Dear All - Of the suggestions made, I would echo Ken Leonard's avoidance of Dawkins' latest book, The Greatest Show on Earth. It is too long, has several factual mistakes scattered throughout, and frankly, is boring to read. Jerry Coyne's book, Why Evolution is True, covers much of the same

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Jan Ygberg
Humans are not part of nature? No wonder the planet is sick. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Geoffrey Patton gwpatt...@yahoo.comwrote: This has been an especially interesting and worthwhile discussion, particularly on the ethics front. My ethics derive from an ecologist whose name I can

[ECOLOG-L] Summary of responses: Exporting data from Excel

2010-05-12 Thread David Inouye
Thanks to the 19 people who responded to my request for help. Here's a summary of suggestions they provided for how to generate a text file of a spreadsheet that displays the formulas instead of calculated values. 1) Use CTRL-tilde as a toggle to display the formulas in cells of an Excel

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread James Crants
Jim and others, Your last sentence converges on the point I was trying to make: if you compared native species, as a group, against exotic species, as a group, you would find statistically significant ecological differences (ie, trends), even though you would also find numerous exceptions to

[ECOLOG-L] Undergraduate Summer Position (REU)

2010-05-12 Thread Jonathan Levine
Undergraduate summer research position in ecology The research group of Jonathan Levine at UC Santa Barbara has a summer research experience for undergraduate (REU) position focused on the maintenance of species diversity in annual plant communities. The REU student will explore the coexistence

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Madhusudan Katti
Just following up on my earlier suggestion, there is a positive review of The Tangled Bank in the recent American Biology Teacher: http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1525/abt.2010.72.3.13 “For students of evolution or scholars who want to know the specifics about particular evolutionary

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Martin Meiss
So, Mr. Patton, if you could, would you re-introduce smallpox and polio? It took nature millions of years to get them working properly on the human population. Martin Meiss 2010/5/12 Jan Ygberg jygb...@gmail.com Humans are not part of nature? No wonder the planet is sick. On

Re: [ECOLOG-L] reference database in ecology

2010-05-12 Thread taubm
One database with good ecological coverage is Agricola (http://agricola.nal.usda.gov/). This is a database of the US National Agricultural Library, but I believe access is free from anywhere. It is designed for agricultural literature, but that overlaps considerably with ecological

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Call for Datasets to evaluate Oil Spill Impacts

2010-05-12 Thread ling huang
Hi Nadine, Will some of the data be made available for individual use/research? I am in particularly interested in the wetlands. I read that about 40% of the entire coastal wetlands of the US (lower 48) can be found in Louisiana. In Davis we have a 400 acre Davis wetlands

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread James J. Roper
Jim, I hope my (perhaps) subtle tongue in cheek comments about invasives has not confused the issue. I completely agree that human caused introductions are to be avoided at all costs, and active eradication of exotics should be undertaken as a default position until a well-developed

Re: [ECOLOG-L] contribution to biomass ~ body size

2010-05-12 Thread Resetarits, William J
There is some evidence for vertebrates (as I recall it is from some of the Hubbard Brook work led by Gene Likens but I don't have the reference) that in New England forests, salamanders represented the greatest terrestrial vertebrate biomass per hectare. Salamanders (mainly plethodontidae and

[ECOLOG-L] Postdoctoral positions at UC Irvine

2010-05-12 Thread Steve Allison
Postdoctoral positions in molecular genetics, modeling, and microbial ecology Three positions are open for highly qualified candidates to join a research team examining microbial responses to environmental change. The project includes a range of approaches to identify the bacteria, archaea,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
Humans were part of Nature, before they developed a kind of psychopathology (something like obsessive-compulsive disorder?) in which their focus shifted from survival to acquisition far beyond survival--even to the truly insane state where the very tools they invented to survive are now the

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread Martin Meiss
Really, Mr. Roper (the formality is to avoid confusion between the two Jims)? You would favor removal of such exotics from North America as wheat, apples, oranges, horses, cattle, goats, pigs, and honeybees? Wouldn't you settle for trying to keep them from running wild, rather than eliminating

[ECOLOG-L] EcoTone: Scientists sampling for Gulf oil recovery

2010-05-12 Thread Katie Kline
As volunteers train and policymakers debate, scientists are pooling their datasets for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). It is the behind the scenes portion of region-wide preparations for the impending arrival of oil on land. Along the Gulf coast states, researchers

[ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
Ecolog: What a pity that evolution scares away religious students. With the exception of some professional bible-thumpers and other immoral manipulators, I find most religious people attracted to various dogma because they are fundamentally (npi) good, and are as sick and tired of

[ECOLOG-L] Postdoctoral research position in urban landscape ecology – Chicago, IL

2010-05-12 Thread Emily Minor
A postdoctoral position is available in the Department of Biological Sciences at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC). With Dr. Emily Minor, the candidate will explore aspects of biodiversity in urban landscapes using theoretical, experimental, and/or observational approaches. There is

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread William Silvert
Of course. And malarial mosquitoes and guinea worm and all those other well evolved creatures. Nature is not good, Nature is neutral. What is natural is what works. Nature is like a businessman who is only concerned about making money, he may do good by creating jobs and producing products

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Jan Ygberg
Not on ecology but neatly (albeit a bit old) great book on Eastern religious beliefs were way ahead of nuclear physics is of course Fritjof Capra's The Tao of Physics http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Physics-Exploration-Parallels-Anniversary/dp/1570625190/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1273701010sr=8-4 He

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread William Silvert
My preferred definition is that science is about seeing the world as it is, religion about seeing the world as we would like it to be. A good example is the Copernican revolution. Copernicus and Galileo showed that the earth was not the centre of the universe, but the church insisted that it

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread William Silvert
Humans are not the only animals which have destr4uctive compulsions. Young elephants like to test their strength by knocking down trees -- they don't do anything with them, they just destroy for the pleasure of it. Quite a strange sight to see! I suspect that there are other animals which act

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread James J. Roper
Good question Martin, But, yes, I would remove all of those from any and all natural settings, and keep them on farms, just like you suggested. As for the animals, they are massive conservation problems in their own rights, so I won't go into why we should all be vegetarian - :-| As you say,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Terminology and associated phenomena Colonizing species etc

2010-05-12 Thread James J. Roper
Jim, you raise a good point (or more) about the kinds of arguments that work. The problem with moral arguments is that they are so nebulous and subjective that they will never defeat a person who just doesn't want to change. I can think of many examples, but none seems to be politically correct

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Eben Hodgin
As a recent graduate about to move on to a Masters in paleoecology, I have been following this thread looking for good summer reads. So I went to the library and checked out some of the books that have been recommended. I have started by picking up The Selfish Gene and The Reluctant Mr. Darwin.