Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-17 Thread David L. McNeely
em will not be > > getting them to occupy such sites, but keeping them from occupying them, > > given the presence of viable propagules. But it would be the epitome of > > arrogance to declare that we know enough about ecosystems to prescribe what > > they should be--or, for that matter, what

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses

2011-09-14 Thread David Duffy
behold, there are none as I figured! > > - Original Message ----- > From: "David C Duffy" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses > > > "The Great Plai

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses

2011-09-14 Thread Jacquelyn L. Gill
figured! > > - Original Message - > From: "David C Duffy" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral > horses > > > "The Great Plains is good horse ha

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses

2011-09-14 Thread Wayne Tyson
rest of the west are not what they were 12,000 years ago or even 200 years ago. David Duffy - Original Message - From: Wayne Tyson Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.U

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses

2011-09-14 Thread David C Duffy
years ago.  David Duffy - Original Message - From: Wayne Tyson Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > All: > > Ecologically speaking, horses are a true grass

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses

2011-09-13 Thread Wayne Tyson
re a grasslands animal, not a "sagebrush steppe" one). WT - Original Message - From: "Warren W. Aney" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses For a good statement and some f

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-13 Thread Wayne Tyson
ren and/or others can perhaps fill me in. Thank you, Warren, for the link/reference. WT - Original Message - From: "Warren W. Aney" To: Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species Wayne, it would seem to be as sim

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species -- feral horses

2011-09-13 Thread Warren W. Aney
U] On Behalf Of Hamazaki, Hamachan (DFG) Sent: Tuesday, 13 September, 2011 01:12 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species While we are still on invasive species in the US South Western Regions, what is everyone's opinion about wild horses

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-13 Thread malcolm McCallum
s of modern day conservation. Maybe I was just lucky to read lots > and lots of Leopold... > > eric > > Eric North > All Things Wild Consulting > P.O. Box 254 > Cable, WI 54821 > 928.607.3098 > > >> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:26:54 -0500 >> Subje

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-13 Thread Hamazaki, Hamachan (DFG)
While we are still on invasive species in the US South Western Regions, what is everyone's opinion about wild horses in the US? They are apparently introduced and became invasive, yet are protected by law. BLM manages them as invasive species, while there is a law suit in the 9th circuit court o

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-13 Thread Warren W. Aney
From: Wayne Tyson [mailto:landr...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2011 19:28 To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species Warren and Ecolog: Well, Warren, I guess I'll have to take your word for it. You&#

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Charlie Hohn
; WT > > > - Original Message - From: "Warren W. Aney" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species > > > I was speaking from a contemporary perspective, Manuel. From a

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
ffect, etc? Now I guess we have to add "intrusive" to our list of terms? But really, Warren--crying cowboys? Is that fair? WT - Original Message - From: "Warren W. Aney" To: "'Wayne Tyson'" ; Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:44 PM Subject: RE

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Eric North
hings Wild Consulting P.O. Box 254 Cable, WI 54821 928.607.3098 > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:26:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species > From: malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org > To: xcs...@hotmail.com > CC: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu > &g

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Warren W. Aney
o: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species All: The BLM has a "demonstration" project on Steen's mountain, complete with plasticized photos and text explaining that fire suppression was the culprit in the juniper "invasion,"

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
vy cheatgrass populations. - Original Message - From: Charlie Hohn To: Wayne Tyson Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species Native invasives are an important thing to acknow

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Warren Aney
ld be a better descriptor. Warren W. Aney. -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Tyson Sent: 12 September, 2011 06:41 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of inva

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
nt: Sunday, September 11, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species I was speaking from a contemporary perspective, Manuel. From a very long term perspective perhaps we can say that a species that somehow translocated into another ecosystem may have initially

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Charlie Hohn
we write off > Hawaii and whats left of its endemic species? All this talk of "letting > nature take its course" smacks too much of the "god will provide" idea in > the Bible. > > > > Please correct me on or off list. > > > > Best- > >

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread malcolm McCallum
whats left of its endemic species? All this talk of "letting nature take > its course" smacks too much of the "god will provide" idea in the Bible. > > Please correct me on or off list. > > Best- > Eric > > > > Eric North > All Things Wild Consu

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Eric North
ot;god will provide" idea in the Bible. Please correct me on or off list. Best- Eric Eric North All Things Wild Consulting P.O. Box 254 Cable, WI 54821 928.607.3098 > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:03:51 -0700 > From: landr...@cox.net > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-12 Thread Warren W. Aney
listic? Warren W. Aney Senior Wildlife Ecologist Tigard, OR -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Manuel Spínola Sent: Saturday, 10 September, 2011 12:22 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLO

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-11 Thread Wayne Tyson
fy damaged sites to enable adapted (preferably indigenous) organisms to (re)colonize either by introducing their propagules or by watching the inevitable invasion. WT - Original Message - From: "Mitch Cruzan" To: Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:09 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species A Rabble view

2011-09-11 Thread Wayne Tyson
ent upon such continuing perturbations for their continued existence, especially as dominant features of the "adopted" ecosystem. WT "Correlation is not causation." --Original author obscure - Original Message - From: "Mitch Cruzan" To: Sent: Sunday,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-11 Thread Mitch Cruzan
I'm only asking for a quantifiable description of 'invasive' - we can't do it based on where organisms originally evolved. Distributions of all biota has changed dramatically in the last 18,000 years, so drawing lines based on where species originally came from does not make a whole lot of sen

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-11 Thread Madhusudan Katti
On Sep 10, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Jane Shevtsov wrote: > What fraction of the "weeds" affecting agriculture are native? Good question. Don't forget the corollary: what fraction of the crops being affected by "weeds" are non-native? ~ Madhusudan Katti Associate Pro

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-11 Thread Elizabeth Rich
the definition of "alien" > should be contested by all scientists, ecologists, and thinking individuals > and their organizations worthy of their designations. > > WT > > > - Original Message - From: "Warren W. Aney" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, Sep

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-11 Thread Mitch Cruzan
Warren W. Aney Senior Wildlife Ecologist Tigard, OR -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Manuel Spínola Sent: Saturday, 10 September, 2011 12:22 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-11 Thread Wayne Tyson
their designations. WT - Original Message - From: "Warren W. Aney" To: Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species There can be a meaningful ecological difference between an organism that evolved with an eco

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-10 Thread Warren W. Aney
America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Manuel Spínola Sent: Saturday, 10 September, 2011 12:22 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species With all due respect, are not we all invaders at some point in time

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-10 Thread Jane Shevtsov
What fraction of the "weeds" affecting agriculture are native? -- - Jane Shevtsov Ecology Ph.D. candidate, University of Georgia co-founder, www.worldbeyondborders.org "All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers... Each one owes infinitely more to the human race than to th

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-10 Thread Manuel Spínola
With all due respect, are not we all invaders at some point in time? Best, Manuel Spínola 2011/9/10 David L. McNeely > Matt Chew wrote: > > > We can compose effectively endless lists of cases where human agency has > > redistributed biota and thereby affected pre-existing populations, >

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-10 Thread David L. McNeely
Matt Chew wrote: > We can compose effectively endless lists of cases where human agency has > redistributed biota and thereby affected pre-existing populations, > ecological relationships and traditional or potential economic > opportunities. Those are indisputable facts. The House Sparro

Re: [ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-10 Thread Matt Chew
Howdy folks- The assertion that affiliation with university-level research renders a finding suspect or an opinion dubious should interest members of this list. We can compose effectively endless lists of cases where human agency has redistributed biota and thereby affected pre-existing populatio

[ECOLOG-L] a non Ivory Tower view of invasive species

2011-09-09 Thread David Duffy
Forwarded from the Aliens Listserver Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 09:53:55 +0300 From: "Witt, Arne (CABI-Africa)" Subject: Re: [Aliens-L] Opinion Article in TheScientist Dear All As an invasion biologist and ecologist I am all too aware of the impacts that invasive plants have on biodiversity but