Re: Invasives

2007-11-22 Thread William Silvert
The idea that vacant niches do not exist is basically founded on a strict interpretation of Hutchinson's definition. It is the kind of rigid view that holds back science. Invasive species are successful either because the occupy a vacant niche or because they force closer packing of occupied

Re: ECOSYSTEM HEALTH Diversity and of Terminology Re: Invasives

2007-11-22 Thread James J. Roper
Ecosystem health is not just weak, but it is undefinable. Either it is circular (what is healthy is natural) or it is multifarious...that is, defined differently in each case in which it used. If it is the former, then diversity is NOT a measure of ecosystem health, since there are so man= y

Re: Invasives

2007-11-22 Thread William Silvert
If we look at the structure of communities it is easy to see why some have more niches than others. Arctic communities have low diversity because much of the structure that supports biodiversity is absent. Where are the trees and bushes and underbrush that are home to so many species? There

Pandoras box, was: invasive species and cats

2007-11-22 Thread William Silvert
David has opened a line that I was surprised not to see before -- = introduced aliens for biological control of other aliens. Widely = accepted when the control species is a specific disease organism or = parasite (like myximitosis for rabbits and certain wasps), but usually = subject to the law

Re: textbook-free classes

2007-11-22 Thread Andrew Park
Bill Silvert underscores a point I was trying to make in my original post. Humans are not only a part of the ecosystem; they have become one of the dominant ecologicaland geological forces on the planet. My own approach to this has been to insert humanity into the picture as case studies to

Re: invasive species and cats

2007-11-22 Thread William Espenshade
Hi All, I'm a cat lover myself, but because I love my cat, It is an indoor cat, no fleas, ticks, cars, strange foods, I love my cat. People who have outdoor cats, unless say on a farm where they are working animals for rodent abatement, don't really have a pet they love, they are just owning an

Re: Invasives

2007-11-22 Thread Warren W. Aney
Of course the introducers of gallinaceous game birds were primarily interested in providing something to shoot, but in their view the system was deficient in species and this suggested an opportunity. Some mistakes were made in the process. So we have catchable eastern warmwater fish species

Announcing the IAVS Vegetation Forum

2007-11-22 Thread Robert K. Peet
The International Association for Vegetation Science (IAVS) has established a new email discussion group: the IAVS Vegetation Forum. The purpose of the Forum is to provide a convenient venue for announcements or discussion of topics of interest to vegetation scientists. Individuals wishing to

a European perspective on feral cats

2007-11-22 Thread David Inouye
Hello from Austria, In Austria, hunters are allowed to shoot stray cats (ca. 300 m - distance from house). But I have also heard stories of hunters shooting cats just so. In a small village, one could suppose that hunters know the owners of the cats, but they will still be shot. It seems that

Re: [SPAM] textbook-free classes

2007-11-22 Thread Robert Hamilton
** Low Priority ** Also, instructional methods don't mean so much at higher levels. At the graduate level especially, students are adults and should be able to develop the necessary understanding in any environment. We are all going to approach each discipline differently. While I can see, and I

Re: invasive species and cats

2007-11-22 Thread Cara Lin Bridgman
David Hilmy wrote: perhaps one way of dealing with the invasive arrow bamboo, Pseudosasa japonica, would be to perhaps introduce one of it's feared enemies, the Giant Panda (apparently arrow bamboo is favored by both Mei Xiang and Tian Tian here in DC) Sorry David, but your example

Another picture

2007-11-22 Thread yasemin baytok
Dear Ecologgers, With all do respect, I disagree with Andy's view that there is no separation between environmental and ecological science. I'm frustrated cause, unfortunately in my country, Turkey, Environmental science = environmental engineering-agricultural engineering-forest engineering =

Re: unoccupied niches and 'coppetitive exclusion

2007-11-22 Thread David Hilmy
The concept of =93niche=94 is very much defined around a specific = species- the term itself is something of a misnomer in ecological terms because we = assume the traditional noun to describe a physical space or an element of = habitat, or in the argument of some posted here, a set of