Liz,
I am glad someone brought up the points you did. While it's wonderful to see
so much support for women who want to make their families a part of their
work, it is also important to remember that most women are not that
adventurous and the bar should not be set at that height for everyone. Whil
I think the problem, Liz, is with the hyberbole and assumptions in your
response. No one is saying there are "no challenges or obstacles," but
many of us weathered the experience, and frankly, our recollections are
based on that experience, not some rose-colored memory of idyllic
parenthood.
I am really quite frustrated by this whole conversation. Having been a
first-time mum to a 3 month old just over a year ago I am amazed at the
lack of reality reflected in a lot of this 'advice'. I'm not too sure what
happens to the memory of those of you who are claiming that from almost
birth you
I started taking my son in the field to monitor Bald Eagle and Peregrine
Falcon nests when he was 3 weeks old, progressing through to his teen
years in snotty weather; i.e. rainy/snowy Oregon/U.S. Pacific Northwest.
We (he and I only) started using an over the shoulder baby sling (many
varieties
It is interesting to see how this discussion is going. Almost all women
are positive about the idea and men are less so. And, it is NOT true
that the child safety is paramount, because it must be that the ADULT
safety is paramount. After all, if the adult falls down a cliff, so does
this child.
>From a practical standpoint:
For a three-month old, I recommend a Belle carrier. They are lightweight,
packable and a front carrier, allowing you to carry additional gear in a
backpack on your back. They have an infant insert if your child is still
having difficulty holding up his/her head, but a
learned to walk, and I was a
> backpacker
> > baby turned wilderness nut for life - thanks Mom and Dad! How can anyone
> > criticize or even question others for fostering a love for nature and
> > science in kids at every opportunity possible? Isn't that the whole
> point?
> > (at least
n Indonesia to get a card. The family that scubas together . . .
>
> What kind of adults will these kids make, I wonder?
>
> Oh, to have had parents like this . . .
>
> WT
>
> - Original Message - From: "Lis Castillo Nelis"
> To:
> Se
I sent this to Simone directly, but maybe the rest of the list will also
appreciate this information.
Original Message
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:56:55 +0800
From: Cara Lin Bridgman
To: Simone S. Whitecloud
Simone,
There
What kind of adults will these kids make, I wonder?
Oh, to have had parents like this . . .
WT
- Original Message -
From: "Lis Castillo Nelis"
To:
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I reassert that advice concerning t
ly [mcnee...@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:08 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I originally responded only to Simone personally. But, I now see a need for
wider discussion. I agree with Hal Caswell and others who have said that child
safety
All of this discussion is mostly heartening, but a certain amount (far less
that I expected--that's a good example of why I like to be found wrong) of
self-righteousness has inevitably leaked through. It would be an
interersting student project (perhaps an opportunity to integrate sociology
wit
I reassert that advice concerning the child’s well being was unsolicited in the
original post. If a colleague over 50 asked for gear recommendations, no one
would have recommended that they avoid fieldwork because of the risk for heart
attack. We assume they are intelligent enough to take care
ques maybe altered due to new person thus data could be
> > compromised. There are other issues here that need to be considered as
> > well. For instance, taking a position from others and then backing out
> for
> > personal reasons midway through the project. This could hap
Unsolicited?
This was a post to a public forum on which the poster has requested
advice on what equipment she/he should consider for his/her infant.
Is this a female? I know men and women with this first name so I am
not sure. But, apparently some of you either know or have concluded
such.
Anyo
ay.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: Kerns, Becky -FS
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I was wondering when this point would be made. Maybe we should not even open
these jobs to women
Frankly, Hal, I think you miss much of the point. Our society has
become so risk-averse that -- even in the few decades since I was a kid
-- we have begun to avoid too much that is normal and healthy and safe.
All of these contributions that you dismiss as irrelevant only appear
irrelevant to
fe, not replace it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:
> ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael E. Welker
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:39 AM
> To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpac
l reduce the sweating issue
> > as well.)
> > Simone, I wish you luck. I agree with those who say don't let people
> > pressure you into doing field work if you 're not ready, but if it's what
> > you want, you'll find a way.
> > Sarah
> >
&
: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
I think that the issue is PLANNING. So science should be compromised because of
your desire to have children? Slightly different twist to the discussion but
. if you are doing a field project you should plan on being there for your
committed time
Sarah Jack Hinners, PhD
Senior Research Analyst
Metropolitan Research Center
College of Architecture and Planning
University of Utah
375 S 1530 E rm 226
Salt Lake City, UT 84112
(801)5851026
From: Liz Pryde
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 10:19 PM
Subjec
Mike Welker
El Paso, TX
- Original Message -
From: Silvia Secchi
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
Actually, I think the real issue is who is advising Simone to do this
and thinks it
What I don’t understand about this thread is why people are so comfortable
giving unsolicited advice on someone else’s life decisions. Simone didn’t ask
for advice on whether or not to take her child to the field with her, she asked
for tools to do so well. She has doubtless assessed the risks
//jpswad.people.wm.edu/
Tel. 757.221.2231
Fax. 757.221.6483
-Original Message-
From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
[mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Eva-Maria Muecke
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:55 AM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] B
earch
>> scientists that theory (modeling, statistics, etc.) or bioinformatics
>> (tekkie) concentrations are more forgiving of the realities of the
>> sorts of choices some females elect (e.g., caregiving, committed
>> partnership) than, say, fieldwork or bench-work.
>>
http://www.human.cornell.edu/hd/ciws.cfm
-- Forwarded message --
From: Simone S. Whitecloud
Date: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
To: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
I'd love to pick up some pointers on how to bring my 3 month old into the
fie
Your post was right on the spot David! Claudia and Eimy had good
comments too.
In terms of equipment, I am afraid that I am not up to date on the
newest accessories available for infants. I do agree with David that
having the right carrier is key. I used a Kelty Kids front carrier,
which
st
Metropolitan Research Center
College of Architecture and Planning
University of Utah
375 S 1530 E rm 226
Salt Lake City, UT 84112
(801)5851026
________
From: Liz Pryde
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2012 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Backpacking with an infant?
H
cs (tekkie)
>> concentrations are more forgiving of the realities of the sorts of choices
>> some females elect (e.g., caregiving, committed partnership) than, say,
>> fieldwork or bench-work.
>> 13. all best...I hope you can find a way to make it all work out to your
>>
Hi Simone,
I took my daughter to a workshop/fieldwork in Guatemala (she was five
months), and then Florida (eight months) - while doing my PhD, it requires
a bit of organization but as long as you have plenty of fluids, formula,
diapers, sun screen, repellent (and some other small things - in my
d
Actually, I think the real issue is who is advising Simone to do this
and thinks it is a good idea. My PhD and postodoctoral advisers had
kids and were realistic in terms of their expectations. Now that I am
on the other side, I try to do the same with my students and postdocs.
At three months, you
Hi Simone,
The choice here is yours but, you know, if you were able to wait even a few
more months before taking the little one into the field it would be a
better/easier scenario for all involved. The time goes by very very
quickly. Perhaps this season, if you absolutely HAVE to collect your data
entors, parents, etc. NOT to advise
female graduate students of the disadvantages associated with certain
personal choices (marriage, motherhood) IF they desire competitive research
careers.
---------- Forwarded message --
From: malcolm McCallum
Date: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOL
rresponsible for major professors, mentors, parents, etc. NOT to advise
female graduate students of the disadvantages associated with certain
personal choices (marriage, motherhood) IF they desire competitive research
careers.
-- Forwarded message --
From: malcolm McCallum
Date:
Simone,
I am not criticizing or anything, but I would not bring an 3 mo old
infant into a situation like this.
There are just so many things that can happen and you are so far from
any medical help.
I know a lot of people do it but I would strongly advise against it.
Not only is it a much higher r
A good backpack carrier is worth its weight in gold -- especially one
with a clip-on diaper bag. Just take some extra plastic bags to wrap
the diapers in.
Here's a photo of me with a rig and a twerp 15 years ago:
http://flic.kr/p/b6g6Lp
Later,
Dave
On 4/8/2012 12:03 PM, Simone S. Whiteclo
I'd love to pick up some pointers on how to bring my 3 month old into the
field. I work in the alpine zone, so cool temperatures, wind and rain are
the issue. Any favorite gear items you found helpful? I'm already finding
she is totally soaked by the time we get to the peak from my own sweat. Know
37 matches
Mail list logo
