Re: [ECOLOG-L] new HR bill requires NSF funders to justify funding

2013-11-21 Thread Thomas J. Givnish
Dear Leslie, Agreed on all points. But poor procedures can make the bad situation caused by flat budgets substantially worse. I very much hope that the report on the questionnaire doesn't wind up being a defense of a one-cycle-per-year format. Such a stance would, in my opinion, meet a wide

Re: [ECOLOG-L] new HR bill requires NSF funders to justify funding

2013-11-21 Thread malcolm McCallum
Yes, and Leslie is right in that NSF does not set the negotiated rates. Current government policy requires them to pay negotiated indirect rates on grants. However, it is possible although very unlikely to happen, for NSF or other grant agencies to go through the system of requests to change that

Re: [ECOLOG-L] new HR bill requires NSF funders to justify funding

2013-11-20 Thread Rissler, Leslie
A few quick things in regard to the comments below. 1. DEB did institute a Small Grants Program, see Program Solicitation NSF 13-508 and NSF 14-503. Relevant wording: "Small Grants: The Division welcomes proposals for Small Grants to the core programs via this solicitation. These awards are i

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Re: [ECOLOG-L] new HR bill requires NSF funders to justify funding

2013-11-20 Thread David L. McNeely
Excellent proposal Givnish. MacCallum, I was not intending to disagree with your comments. In fact, I stated that I agreed. I just thought all related information should be considered before declaring the grants system a total bust. It does result in good science, it just interferes with a l

Re: [ECOLOG-L] new HR bill requires NSF funders to justify funding

2013-11-20 Thread Thomas J. Givnish
Arguably, the changes DEB itself has installed in the NSF review process over the past two years are also likely to damage the American scientific enterprise. In order to relieve pressure on staff and reviewers, DEB has gone to a once-a-year cycle of pre-proposals, with at most two pre-proposals

Re: [ECOLOG-L] new HR bill requires NSF funders to justify funding

2013-11-20 Thread malcolm McCallum
That is false logic. There have been numerous studies demonstrating the remarkable over-all productivity of American scientists. However, that does not mean that the system for funding is the reason. In fact, it is quite possible, and i'ld argue very likely that these same individuals would be r

[ECOLOG-L] new HR bill requires NSF funders to justify funding

2013-11-19 Thread malcolm McCallum
Well, first they disbanded political science research, and now they are trying to do the first steps to slowing science. The person at NSF who approves funding must justify such. why? that way the congress can go after that person, exert pressure on the scientific process, and turn it into a pol