On 15 May 2000 07:31:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Granaas)
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> The misinterpretation of results by the popular press has become a core
> topic for me in recent years. While some of the misinterpretations may be
> harmless (I doubt that eating extra fiber would hurt you unle
On 15 May 2000 08:58:41 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Simon, Steve, PhD)
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< ... "Here's a draft of what I have written." (review of article
for Steve's Web site). On-line reference given for article. >
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> Thornley, Ben, and Adams, Clive "Content and quality of 2000 controlled
> trials in s
At 10:30 AM 5/15/00 -0500, Simon, Steve, PhD wrote:
>There have been a lot of interesting comments in this thread. Let me just
>add my two cents.
>
>Anyway, what I tell them is that nine times out of ten, the mistake was not
>in how the data was analyzed, but in how it was collected. After all, if
There have been a lot of interesting comments in this thread. Let me just
add my two cents.
A lot of the doctors and nurses that I work with get hung up over the actual
statistical analysis in medical journal articles, and they get intimidated
by the statistical jargon. Why anyone who uses words
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Rich Ulrich wrote:
> < snip >
>
> Or, there are bad news reports, that don't really say what the study
> said.
> So: Here is another aspect of error -- what is reported in a journal,
> as opposed to what is claimed in a newspaper.
>
>
The misinterpretation of results
Others have commented on the "correlation is not causation" aspect, the
ecological fallacy aspect and the autocorrelation aspects. But I felt that
another logical/statistical flaw was being featured.
I believe this summarizes the argument at issue:
Suppose that factors A, B, etc. explain X% of t
Concerning the request, which has resulted in a number of
somewhat-relevant responses --
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Date: 04/30/2000
Author: Uplandcrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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"I am looking for examples of articles that use a stat procedure
incorrectly. For example, I have one artivle from a business
- Original Message -
From: Gene Gallagher > Here is an error that is subtle, but very
common. The statistical
> test (multiple regression) was applied perfectly, but the
> statistical inference was wrong.
> My first reference to this type of error is in the classic,
> but highly controve
Gene Gallagher wrote:
> I have recently seen examples of the thrip fallacy in the op-ed
> pages of the Boston Globe. Massachusetts has implemented
> state-wide standardized testing and has increased state funding
> for school districts with low test scores. Statistical analysis
> reveals that Fi
Gene Gallagher wrote:
>
[snip]
> I have recently seen examples of the thrip fallacy in the op-ed
> pages of the Boston Globe. Massachusetts has implemented
> state-wide standardized testing and has increased state funding
> for school districts with low test scores. Statistical analysis
> revea
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Uplandcrow wrote:
> I teach research methods for social science at a small liberal arts
> college.
> The level of math in the class is low, I use Richard Black's "Doing
> Quantitative Research in the Soc. Sci." and excerpts from
> Gujarati's "Basic Econometrics."
>
Ralph Johnson and J. anthony Blair are the authors of _Logical
Self-Defense_. (I know, I did a year of grad study in Informal Logic with
them.)
At 8:13 PM -0400 5/9/00, Donald F. Burrill wrote:
>On Tue, 9 May 2000, Jerry Winegarden wrote, in reply to Uplandcrow's
>request:
>
>> > > Uplandcrow wro
On Tue, 9 May 2000, Jerry Winegarden wrote, in reply to Uplandcrow's
request:
> > > Uplandcrow wrote:
>
> > > > I am looking for examples of articles that use a stat procedure
> > > > incorrectly.
> A "MUST READ" for this class: "How To Lie with Statistics". Best
> little book in the wor
> > Uplandcrow wrote:
> > >
> > > I teach research methods for social science at a small liberal arts college.
> > > The level of math in the class is low, I use Richard Black's "Doing
> > > Quantitative Research in the Soc. Sci." and excerpts from Gujarati's "Basic
> > > Econometrics."
> > > I
Found references to two of Hurlbert's papers:
Hurlbert, S. H. 1984. Pseudoreplication and the design of ecological
field experiments. Ecological Monographs 54:187-211.
Hurlbert, S. H. 1990. Spatial distribution of the montane unicorn.
Oikos. 58: 257-271.
"V. Partridge" wrote:
>
> Look up pape
Uplandcrow wrote:
> I teach research methods for social science at a small liberal arts college.
> The level of math in the class is low, I use Richard Black's "Doing
> Quantitative Research in the Soc. Sci." and excerpts from Gujarati's "Basic
> Econometrics."
>
> (FYI, if you have not seen Blac
Look up papers by Stuart Hurlburt, who points up commonly-made errors in
ecological research. Two of note are his paper on pseudoreplication (in
Ecological Monographs, circa 1989, I think) and "The Spatial
Distribution of the Montane Unicorn" (I don't recall the journal).
V. Partridge
Uplandcro
>would you please compile responses and re-post them?
Yes, I plan to. I've gotten 4 or 5 good sugestions and I want to look at the
articles. Then I will post the citations and a summary.
Cheers,
Jon
===
This list is open
would you please compile responses and re-post them?
Uplandcrow wrote:
> I teach research methods for social science at a small liberal arts college.
> The level of math in the class is low, I use Richard Black's "Doing
> Quantitative Research in the Soc. Sci." and excerpts from Gujarati's "Basi
Uplandcrow wrote:
[...]
> I am looking for examples of articles that use a stat procedure incorrectly.
[...]
Take a look at:
S. A. Glanz (1992) "Primer of Biostatistics",
McGraw-Hill, New York, pp. 1--10. (Chapter 1)
This chapter contains several articles from medical journal
Uplandcrow wrote:
> I am looking for examples of articles that use a stat procedure incorrectly.
A literature search of important journals in the subject area in which your
students major might show that common problems have been addressed. For example,
the articles below address problems t
I teach research methods for social science at a small liberal arts college.
The level of math in the class is low, I use Richard Black's "Doing
Quantitative Research in the Soc. Sci." and excerpts from Gujarati's "Basic
Econometrics."
(FYI, if you have not seen Black's text yet, take a look. It
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