Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> Am Jan 19, 2007 um 15:16 schrieb Arthur:
>
> Then I do not understand at all why you are picking on Kay and
> Smalltalk/Squeak/Etoys. Peeking under the hood is *precisely* what
> this is about. In Squeak, you can inspect *every* UI object with a
> built-in, always-
- Original Message -From: kirby urner> I'll leave it to Arthur to nail
down his affiliation.>I am not now, nor have I ever been.Art
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Bert Freudenberg wrote:> Hi Art,> > if you are interested in a serious
discussion with OLPC, rather than > just about OLPC, their open forum might be
a better place than Python > edu-sig.> > See
http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo> > You might even get a response
;-)Heh, I just got one
Haven't been hardcore irrelevent for a few posts.
Noam Chomsky (not in my pantheon) on B. F.Skinner (not in my pantheon)
defending Athur Koestler (in my pantheon).
Koestler's thoughts on Behaviorism expressed, I believe, in The Ghost in the
Machine
"he" is Skinner, the words are Chomsky's.
From: Andre Roberge
> Arthur,
>
> You made some good points in this post and the previous one. Playing
> the devil's advocate to your position: can you think of any potential
> _keynote_ speaker that would have the education expertise and python
> knowledge to fit the bill and be interesting to a
http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/2006/february/john.php
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Paul writes -
> And your PyGeo
> http://pw1.netcom.com/~ajs/
> is a great example of that kind of constructivist tool Alan Kay
> and
> Seymour Papert and so on would admire as a Geometry Microworld.
But the fact remains that the only thing I have be willing to say about PyGeo
with any sense
> By the way, in outlining the programming style that makes you
> smile, you
> just rediscovered Squeak. :-)
Please don't say that.
I still think you talk/imply/think about the producer/programmer/toymaker
on one hand and the consumer/student/player on the other in a different way
then what i
- Original Message -From: Peter Chase Date: Friday, December 1, 2006
11:28 amSubject: Re: [BULK] Re: [Edu-sig] Who are these people???To: Arthur
Cc: "edu-sig@python.org" Peter Chase wrote:
Who was it that stated they would prefer to be governed by the first 500
people in the Cambridge t
From: Ian Bicking
> I think availability of non-programming information on the
> laptop is
> really important too. But Arthur, this is the Python Edu-SIG,
> what do
> you expect me to write about here?
Whatever you like. You've earned that.
But in my way, and by my own assessment, so have I
> On Friday 13 October 2006 4:04 am, Jason Cunliffe wrote:
> > My subversive proposal to you is along those lines.
> > Optimistically, I imagined that maybe a VPython version of
> Blender is
> > quite possible AND a good idea.
Guess I am not seeing it. Vpython needs compatibility with numpy, and
From: Jason Cunliffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Not knowing much about this at a code level, but I thinking more > than > ever that it may be a *really* good idea you look hard at Blender.> I've posted edu-sig several times previously, little or no > feedback.
I have looked at Blender, and am aware -
Did a litttle googling on the build issues...
enough to determine that projects using boost.python seem to be finding
that Scons makes the best alternative to a building mechanism of bjam, make or
some combination thereof.
For example:
http://mapnik.org/documentation/install/
Of course wi
From: Dethe Elza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > A game hacker would likely dismiss Glut out of hand, because you
A glut and ctypes vpython.
Promise me a slot in the standard distrobution and I'll find a way to get there ;).
> Once I clear a few other projects off my plate I will > roll up my sleeves
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From: Dave Reed
> It does need anything else - using glut it creates a native
> window on
> the Mac - it doesn't require X11.
I assumed that it didn't require X11.
The question is what is the road to a glut window that has the capabilities
the the vpython window
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From: Dethe Elza
Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:28 am
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of vpython
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: edu-sig@python.org, John Zelle
> Dave wrote:
>
> >> Just curious, is PyOpenGL easy to install for both Mac and
> >> Windows? I know
> >
From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> On 9/27/06, kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > So Arthur, in thinking more about your well-founded suspicion > of the> > profit motive, when it comes to curriculum writing and standard> > setting (test making), I'm thinking we should go over in what > wa
- Original Message -From: Dethe Elza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:45 pmSubject: Re: [Edu-sig] creating an interface vs. using one (Michel Paul)To: "Humphreys, Simon (Hills Road Staff)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: edu-sig@python.org> Edupython, on google groups:> > http
From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:33 pmSubject: Re: [Edu-sig] creating an interface vs. using oneTo: Michel Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Speaking of which, I'm giving Tara the option to join me on a > trip to> New York pretty soon. She's already got something plan
- Original Message -From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> There's also another theme woven in, which is that before my Minister> of Education stint, I was already a top dog in what's called the> Fuller School (e.g. bfi.org), a pirate ship captained by R.> Buckminster Fuller (Applewhite as
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From: kirby urner
> I know that all sounds meshuganistic to your ears (a lotta crazy
> talk).
"meshuganistic"
Not a generally accepted idiom, but I can work with it.
It is of course Shoshoni we are speaking ;)
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Kirby,
You must be *very* frustrated.
Because you are sounding highly meshuga.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/66/M0236625.html
No chance the problem is your sales pitch, not the underlying substance.
It's hard to buy what a meshugana is selling.
Make it easier.
Plee
> is truly sad. However, I found Brin's swipe at the Media Lab unfair.
> The oft-derided OLPC project proposes a platform designed for
> exploration and experimentation; a far cry from the Dell PCs in my
> classroom - seemingly designed for little more than
> "content-delivery."
A swipe at the Med
- Original Message -
From: kirby urner
Date: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000
To: Arthur
Cc: John Zelle , edu-sig@python.org
> On 9/15/06, Arthur wrote:
>
> > Trying to sing it from the Disney and HP pulpits - if nothing
> e
From: John Zelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > But I honestly believe all that buys me is the ability to be a> > run-of-the-mill-programmer.> > Perhaps, but no where near a run-of-the-mill student.
For the record, I think that is really only a matter of degree of motivation.
Alice's "lessons", for ex
From: John Zelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > That's assuming that the goal of said education is to produce > professional > programmers. I believe that everyone has something to gain from > learning what > software is really all about. Most will not rise to the level of > professional > (or even compete
- Original Message -From: John Zelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Friday, September 8, 2006 2:51 pmSubject: Re: [Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000To: edu-sig@python.org> On Friday 08 September 2006 1:33 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > From: "Radenski, Atanas"> >> > > You are obvio
From: "Radenski, Atanas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You are obviously way more intelligent than the average student > whom we need to teach.
Standardized testing seems to indicate me to be a good deal to the better spectrum of the bell curve.
But I honestly believe all that buys me is the ability t
> > Today, I might consider doing that on my laptop (which does > *not* mean> I can't use the Navona Puppets, maybe to help storyboard the> computerized version).> > You think kids don't think this way?
Cynical Arthur would welcome the ability to exercise his imagination in the creation of
animate
- Original Message -From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:33 pmSubject: Re: [Edu-sig] slashdot: Teaching Primary School Students Programming?To: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "edu-sig@python.org" > On 8/28/06, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > > The solution i
From: kirby urnerDate: Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:26 pmSubject: Re: Re: [Edu-sig] Excited about Crunchy FrogTo: ArthurCc: John Zelle , edu-sig@python.org> We're fighting different battlesAbsolutely no doubt about it. Its a shame really. I think that much of what you are proposing to proposecoul
HI Kirby - Never had heard of Pohlke's Theorem. But a liitle research indicates that Pohlke taught at an art school, and his theorem was connected to art instruction - actually the kind of thing that intrigues me, in the math, programming, art, liberal arts, let's all be friends vein.And the litt
>He does more than recycle or rest on his reputation (venturing into>Python Nation was the act of an adventuresome explorer, especially>given some of the hackles around here).
As I said, I have no problem with a respectful pose toward Kay
as an "adventuresome explorer".
But in the end I think
> What I glean from studying Guido's, Alan's and Bruce Eckel's writings,> is this thing about late binding. You do it all in runtime,> basically. You get to be dynamic, aren't under the thumb of a finicky> compiler that requires you to predeclare, and thence to "nail down"> all your code. Nope,
From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > You seem to indulge a more-than-healthy amount of nostalgia for the> way it was when you were a kid. You're now ready to go to bat for> kids who want it the way you had it
Perhaps, though I think not.
But, I remain willing to be wrong here. Just that th
From: Andre Roberge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> When I look at Logowiki, I think "this is> fantastic..." ... and then get the impression that its purpose > is just> to amaze me
Don't know how much was intended, but this touching on
a lot to me.
It is too easy to amaze, too hard to resist doing so.
> On 7/12/06, Andreas Raab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> The sequence again is roughly: pilot avatars and sims with programs> (Logo), immerse yourself in communicative fanstasy environments> (Squeak), surface a more adult mindset and start tackling real world> problems with more focus (Python). It's k
- Original Message -From: Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:42 amSubject: Re: [Edu-sig] The best way to predict the future...To: Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Cc: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "edu-sig@python.org" > On 7/11/06, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)
> > Are comments by me, here going to influence outcomes.
> >
> > Probably not. Worth a shot? What's to lose.
> >
>
> Let some people go with Alice
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)
> > So you argree that Alice is overreaching and out-of-line with a
> statement like
> >
>
> Alice is not big on my radar.
Glad to hear it.
> I
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:56 am
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] The end is near :)
> >
> > CS and hard science and Alice being mentioned as an alternative.
> >
>
> Willamette University is offering an art major centered around
> co
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From: Dethe Elza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Arthur to Kirby:
>Are you a CS type? If so, speak directly.
>
>If not, why do you feel compelled to speak on their behalf.
>
> Sorry if I'm mis-reading that, but it looks to me like "shut up,"
> which I find offensiv
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From: Peter Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, April 5, 2006 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Rapunsel, Rapunsel
> Arthur wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >... when you say geometry and I say geometry I think we
> >are talking about largely different things. Fuller has n
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, April 1, 2006 10:35 am
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Rapunsel, Rapunsel
>
> We don't lose that just because of all the dancing bears. Given your
> experience with VPython (a theater for shapes), I'd think you'd be
> a
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Programmer freedom means more opportunities to shoot oneself in the
> foot with bad designs.
You certainly don't need to confront that issue in the typical Urner 10 line
script.
Though I am not sure I can imagine something
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > More generally, Python supports programmer freedomn, and accepts
> the cost of that
> > freedom. If we don't exercise that freedom, Python - it seems to
> me - is a losing
> > proposition.
> >
> > Art
>
> Programmer freedo
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Arthur is
> proposing first level mutability (2nd example). I doubt any of us
> like the 3rd level. Am I right?
I am not proposing anything. I am programming.
>
> So obviously there's a spectrum here. Python supports them
Thank you for the advice, Mr. Urner.
Happy Dethe?
Art
Thank you for the advice, Mr. Urner.
Happy Dethe?
Art
If I were Arthur and trying to ensure my PyGeo source was "camera ready" from a code teaching point of view, I'd probably open source it on sourceforge, making the checkin/checkout process
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I'm a Silicon Forest exec looking after my own.
So I *do* understand correctly.
Business is business - to be sure.
Art
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Again, we can be ships passing in the night on this. My venture into
> the Bermuda Triangle of synergetic geometry is in the "don't try this
> @ home" category i.e. it's not for everyone. More like an Xtreme
> sport [tm]. Fu
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>
> And since we are talking about working within the academy, I think
> it important we
> have our facts straight, in terms of attribution of ideas.
Normally, BTW I'd agree with you. Why give away a thing.
In this case, though, I think
Kirby writes -
>And it's not just programming
>that's kept at bay, but computer graphics and animation. The
>pre-college mainstream remains strangely bereft of serious-minded
>spatial geometry
It's frustrating how close and far we are from each other on this particular
point, at the same time.
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From: Laura Creighton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> PyPy. we are working on it.
I'm quite conscious of that. More and more my design decisions are in
anticipation of it.
Not to add to the pressure ;)
Art
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>
> Yes, I know, I read that. I'm not questioning that you know this.
> You asked what problems from a CS viewpoint there would be. I told
> you. You don't like it, don't ask.
Its not that I'm a bad guy.
Must be that I'm ju
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From: Dethe Elza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > What defines a "primitive type". My understanding is that in many
> languages there
> > is no complex primitive type.
>
> Each language defines its own primitive types, some have no primitive
> types (or hide them better), s
- Original Message -
From: Dethe Elza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Properties use case
> Arthur:
> > > Are you a CS type? If so, speak directly.
>
> I'm a CS type (BS in CS, MS in CSEE). Kirby's right, it's generally
> considered "bette
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, March 17, 2006 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Properties use case
>
> I flirt with the idea, but feel more drawn to American Literature.
> Hoping for some honorary degree from UC Santa Cruz maybe, or Berkeley
> ev
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Date: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:05 am
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> Instead of having my geometric objects of the complex plane *be*
> complex numbes,
> there is certainly the solution of having a complex number as a
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Properties use case
>
> Well, philosophically, I could see where a lot of CS types might have
> a problem with mutable numbers, complex or otherwise.
Are you a CS ty
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > The idea of a "mutable complex number" gives me the creeps.
> Did you
> > > say you'd seen this successfully tried somewhere?
> >
> > Don't lose any sleep over it.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > PyGeo.
> >
> > Art
>
> Sorry you f
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Properties use case
>
> The idea of a "mutable complex number" gives me the creeps. Did you
> say you'd seen this successfully tried somewhere?
Don't lose any sleep
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> We're trying to recruit more girls by taking the edge off of
> technology some (more dolls, fewer bayonets). A kinder gentler CS?
> Doesn't mean we stop with the war games. Quakers play Quake. But
> it's metaphoric violen
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> > Then I notice the Scheme folks might come and wonder if they're like
> > the zookeepers. because, like, we have all these animals: {Logo :
> > turtle, Squeak : mouse, Python : snake}. Now the Schemers show up,
> > and plan a circus or som
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> For my part, I've been musing on the animals we're seeing: turtles on
> Python. I'm into monkeys. And Python's a snake (some say a comedy
> troupe, but I say "it ate Monty").
>
> I'm invited to a Shuttleworth Foundation gig
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From: Dethe Elza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> python -c "import urllib; urllib.main()" \
> http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py \
> | python - -U setuptools
My point exactly - for the audience that I am focusing on and that with which
many
on edu-sig are con
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From: Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I owe an apology and I offer it.
>
> Completely accepted for my part.
Thank you.
For consummating a rare online transaction ;)
> Vern
>
> --
> This time for sure!
>-Bullwinkle J. Moose
Mr. Moose is an old hero of
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From: Dethe Elza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Um, possibly because you come off pretty strongly, and seemed to be
> upset that it was even being discussed?
Yeah I guess I do and I was. OTOH, in reading back through the thread I see
that Vern was quite explicit, let'
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From: Gregor Lingl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, March 3, 2006 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] IDLE wish (was Edu-sig Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16)
> Arthur schrieb:
>
> Some of them feel, that the module is not adequate for their needs and
> they propose to enhanc
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From: Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I was asked submit the enhacements by Raymond Hettinger. I
> foolishly
> thought it might be good to ask for input on the nature of the
> improvements before doing so. If you want to have an argument
> about
> whethe turt
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From: Vern Ceder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Why, yes, I am actually... didn't you get the memo on that?
>
The memo I apparently didn't get is the one change the PEP rules. Heretofore
they have been understood to be necessary to open community discussion about a
chang
> > And if Python educators feel that the Turtle approach is so
> effective that
> > it needs to be part of Python's core, at least make a very overt
> nod to
> > where the ideas are coming from. There are many people out of
> touch with the
> > history here. It is easy to assume that people c
Kirby writes -
>I was thinking of Arthur's suggesting to reinforce the distinction between
>'print' and 'return'.
The only thing I recall is an exchange with John Brawley that I reported here.
If I remember correctly, he was creating a VPython sphere in a fucntion,
assigning a variable to the
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Pre-announcement announcement
> I thought Calvin loved Hobbes.
Both materialists.
Calvin's material being denim, primarily.
Different Hobbes?
Art
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From: kirby urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Pre-announcement announcement
>
> So *many* user groups partially overlap in Python. Your group and
> mine, for
> example, whatever that means. I haven't read much
Andre -
I am on a short business trip so it is difficult to reply properly.
Just wanted to thank you for your work, and let you know that I find the
comments
quite helpful.
Bottom line, I conclude that is unwise to attempt to reach out beyond the
Python literate
community before I can offer a
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Date: Friday, November 4, 2005 3:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Low Enrollments - programming as anti-intellectualism
).
>
> We're working on something like that here for language teaching.
Please note that the evidence there is
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From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> In my Classroom of Tomorrow, the teacher has random access to a
> gazillionvideo shorts in the archive, and during Q&A might pull up
> just the right
> ones to sustain the dialog. It's not a matter of the teacher
> losing
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From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Python had the choice to be case insensitive and in some parallel
> universemaybe it is. It wouldn't have been a lesser language,
> just a slightly
> different one.
No argument, believe it or not.
Art
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From: Scott David Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Python as a first language for computer sciencist
> OK, here's the other side of that coin: unit tests are just as
> malleableas the rest of the code. If
>. The advantage of a case-
> insensitive language is that when we are taught to read, we
> are taught that, for
> example, "f" and "F" are the same letter. Eventually we
> learn that.
I have had problems with that argument. We learn that they are
the same letter, *different cases*.
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From: John Zelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2005 11:24 am
Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] OT: googling "logo"
> Guido must be a whiz at marketing. Look what happens when you
> google:
> programming language :-)
>
> --Z
No argument here.
But the extre
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From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 12:34 pm
Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] quantum instance
>
> I'm in no way persuaded that you have some special insight into
> what the
> property feature is "really" intended to provide, based on some
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Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] quantum instance
> How a particular programming language needs to work to satisfy a
> use case
> needn't trump the basic intuitions of the user.
You want to have your intuition as to someone else's intui
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From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:18 pm
Subject: RE: [Edu-sig] quantum instance
> I want to be able to express user intuitions about what's a method and
> what's an attribute drawing from a knowledge domain. I don't want to
> i
>You could read up on __getattr__, __getattribute__, and
> >friends in the Language References section 3.3.2:
> Customizing attribute access
"and friends" include descriptors, so that the discussion
about properties here had actually led me into some better
understanding of this realm of Pytho
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> If I wait until I have actual users, I can get
> real statistics on how the use the API. We decouple our work this
> way.
But in my look of it, properties are a "solution" to one of a nearly infinite
set
of these k
Kirby ,
Bottom line -
and it sounds like a terrible thing to say -
I am disturbed by your enthusiasm on these subjects.
Because I am continually feeling myself asked to accept enthusiasm as a
replacement for jugment - in the area of technology and education.
Enthusiam may be necessary, bu
Everyone inclined to do so - please *do* ignore the following:
I had written -
> All there is left to do is to assert that whatever this
>impact is, it is the intended impact, and then that this
>impact fulfills some important learning mission. Illusion
>becomes reality,
I guess I need to ask fo
thom writes -
>I thought these links might be helpful in your case:
>http://www.python.org/Quotes.html Where several key industry rep's
>praise Python. If you get them past loading Python, VPython should be
>easy.
For the record, I am of the opinion that what Frank is running into is
symptomatic
From: Chuck Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I just finished the latter last week and will talk about it at an
> upcoming academic conference. I made it very applied, and they
> complained a little about it being mathy, but hey - it was good for
> them! Now they will be responsible the next time t
>Also, down the road, I can see a CS curriculum which is pretty .NET centric,
To me, the spirit of Python and .Net are quite unaligned.
It seems that many of us who feel aligned with Python
feel aligned with it in spirit, more than in anything in
particular in its syntax and semantics.
If we in
> I am convinced that more interesting and relevant discussions
> would take
> place if posters were to adhere more closely to the purpose of
> this SIG.
When a professor (and author) asks for advice/ideas on
getting Python on the agenda in the CSI department of his
school, he gets 2 respon
Kirby writes-
>I think you're in denial that something new has emerged, and that education
>(however we want to define it) will never be the same as it was.
And I think you are exhibiting mystical tendencies.
What is new is going to solve problems with which
it has no connection, otherwise why
>F4E, Fabbing for Everyone is a similar idea, but for the physical
>world.
Interesting stuff - with or without the E concept attached.
My exposure to this general realm of things
is real (business) world - one of the clients with which I
work closely is in the injection molding business.
Had t
I had asked -
>Can your pinky finger be just anywhere? Hope not.
The critical, often ignored pinky position issue
arises again, in rapid succession to my recent post.
This time not in the context of table manners, but now in
connection with Sean McGrath's search for the best notebook
on which to
From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> My goal as a curriculum writer is just to make the material
> available in a
> connected, not-dumbed-down form, and leave the rest to natural
> self-selection.
Can't argue with that approach.
Damn it ;)
ARt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: Gregor Lingl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
>
> Sorry. I was poorly educated.
Of course under (my intepretation of) Kirby's regime, we will
all have expertise in the workings of one particular
kind of machine, the Uber-Machine.
But I am not so
From: Gregor Lingl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
> > Kirby writes -
> > it seems to me that if you and I were each
> > hooked up to geiger counters and the
> > word "Promethean" was flashed in front of us,
> > our needles would move in opposite
> > directions.
> Are you sure tha
Kirby writes -
>Certainly Unicode is another one of those key
>topics that kids should check out early on.
god knows who will be helping
them with their homework ;)
it seems to me that if you and I were each
hooked up to geiger counters and the
word "Promethean" was flashed in front of us,
our
From: Kirby Urner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> @simpson
> def g(x): return x*x
>
> >>> g(0, 3)
> 9.0036
My resistance to decorators is not unrelated to the fact that I don't seem
capable of getting my mind around them.
I do find it quite disconcerting that the arguments "g" is expecti
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