Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Мартынов Игорь  wrote:

From: Мартынов Игорь 
Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.
To: "Ekiga mailing list" 
Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 6:12 PM



OK

http://forum.runtu.org/index.php/topic,35.0.html



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Well, i don't think many members of this list understand Russian -  I mean
your http://forum.runtu.org/index.php/topic,35.0.html link, tough I do.

What exactly the issue/problem is ? I.e. other than public key needed
to verify the packages ?

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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Anthony Papillion  wrote:

> From: Anthony Papillion 
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.
> To: "Ekiga mailing list" 
> Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 3:03 AM
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> On 12/26/2010 12:03 PM, Grigory Sarnitskiy wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software)
> says there is no encryption in Ekiga. I'm pretty dumb in all
> that security stuff, but still I want to have some level of
> encryption. How do I secure my conversations?
> 
> I'm pretty sure the Wikipedia entry is correct, I don't
> think Ekiga
> encrypts at all.  I've been looking for encrypted
> VoIP, you might want
> to look at using Phil Zimmermanns ZFone (which might be
> able to be used
> to secure and encrypt Ekiga traffic).
> 
> Anthony
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I suggest to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP and pay special
attention to:

"
To ensure that the attacker is indeed not present in the first session (when no 
shared secrets exist), the Short Authentication String method is used: the 
communicating parties verbally cross-check a shared value displayed at both 
endpoints. If the values don't match, a man-in-the-middle attack is indicated. 
(In late 2006, NSA developed an experimental voice analysis and synthesis 
system to defeat this protection.[2])

"

;-) .

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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Stuart D. Gathman  wrote:

> From: Stuart D. Gathman 
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.
> To: "Ekiga mailing list" 
> Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 9:37 PM
> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010, Sergei Steshenko
> wrote:
> 
> >> However, if you and the person at the other end
> are
> >> able to install and configure openvpn, then just
> connect to
> >> them
> >> directly over the vpn tunnel, using the private IP
> if you
> >> don't have DNS
> >
> > I am not sure OpenVPN works in case _both_ parties are
> behind a firewall.
> >
> > If I understand correctly, if both parties are behind
> a firewall, a STUN
> > server is necessary, and even with STUN server success
> depends on firewall
> > type.
> 
> OpenVPN works perfectly well behind firewall - you can use
> any port.  It also
> works behind NAT if either party is knowlegeable enough to
> inform the
> other of their (temporary) public IP. 
...
That's the point. To know global IP is not a problem.

However, the port may be a problem. For example, in my case the following
topology is used:

cable_modem <-> VOIP_modem_also_DHCP_server_also_NAT <-> hub <-> my_computers.
.

The point/problem is I have no root access to

VOIP_modem_also_DHCP_server_also_NAT

, i.e. I can't assign a port of my liking to VPN traffic.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Sergei Steshenko  wrote:

> From: Sergei Steshenko 
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.
> To: "Ekiga mailing list" 
> Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 1:49 PM
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Stuart Gathman 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Stuart Gathman 
> > Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.
> > To: ekiga-list@gnome.org
> > Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 11:35 AM
> > On 12/26/2010 01:03 PM, Grigory
> > Sarnitskiy wrote:
> > > Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software)
> > says there is no encryption in Ekiga. I'm pretty dumb
> in all
> > that security stuff, but still I want to have some
> level of
> > encryption. How do I secure my conversations?
> > Ekiga does not support sRTP (Secure RTP) (other
> softphones
> > do). 
> > However, if you and the person at the other end are
> > able to install and configure openvpn, then just
> connect to
> > them
> > directly over the vpn tunnel, using the private IP if
> you
> > don't have DNS
> > or hosts file, and your conversation is encrypted. 
> > OpenVPN is available
> > for Windows as well as linux.  IPsec also works (and
> > supported out of
> > the box for both Windows and Linux), but is trickier
> to
> > configure IMHO
> > (I've done both).
> 
> I am not sure OpenVPN works in case _both_ parties are
> behind a firewall.
> 
> If I understand correctly, if both parties are behind a
> firewall, a STUN
> server is necessary, and even with STUN server success
> depends on firewall
> type.
> 
> I don't remember STUN mentioned in VPN configuration.
> 
> Regards,
>   Sergei.
> 
> 

The "firewall" word should better be replaced with NAT.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Sun, 12/26/10, Stuart Gathman  wrote:

> From: Stuart Gathman 
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekliga Encryption.
> To: ekiga-list@gnome.org
> Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 11:35 AM
> On 12/26/2010 01:03 PM, Grigory
> Sarnitskiy wrote:
> > Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_VoIP_software)
> says there is no encryption in Ekiga. I'm pretty dumb in all
> that security stuff, but still I want to have some level of
> encryption. How do I secure my conversations?
> Ekiga does not support sRTP (Secure RTP) (other softphones
> do). 
> However, if you and the person at the other end are
> able to install and configure openvpn, then just connect to
> them
> directly over the vpn tunnel, using the private IP if you
> don't have DNS
> or hosts file, and your conversation is encrypted. 
> OpenVPN is available
> for Windows as well as linux.  IPsec also works (and
> supported out of
> the box for both Windows and Linux), but is trickier to
> configure IMHO
> (I've done both).

I am not sure OpenVPN works in case _both_ parties are behind a firewall.

If I understand correctly, if both parties are behind a firewall, a STUN
server is necessary, and even with STUN server success depends on firewall
type.

I don't remember STUN mentioned in VPN configuration.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] audio message; was Re (2): (no subject)

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Fri, 3/20/09, peasth...@shaw.ca  wrote:

> From: peasth...@shaw.ca 
> Subject: [Ekiga-list] audio message; was Re (2):  (no subject)
> To: peasth...@shaw.ca, ekiga-list@gnome.org
> Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:15 AM
> David wrote,
> > An audio message is different from an audio
> conversation ...
> 
> Yes; although Skype handles both.  
> 
> A Linux system is more modular than a commercial 
> system and I want to find an efficient means to 
> send an audio message using facilities in Debian 
> Linux.
> 
> > Audacity comes to mind.
> 
> OK, thanks.  Will try it.
> 
> Regards,       ... Peter E.
> 

ecasound
krecord
.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] Re (2): (no subject)

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Fri, 3/20/09, peasth...@shaw.ca  wrote:

> From: peasth...@shaw.ca 
> Subject: [Ekiga-list] Re (2):  (no subject)
> To: peasth...@shaw.ca, ekiga-list@gnome.org
> Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 10:04 AM

[snip]

> 
> Such as ...?  I've never used an encoder except 
> implicitly in Ekiga.

[snip]

ecasound
Perl Audio Converter

- to name a few.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] (no subject)

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Thu, 3/19/09, peasth...@shaw.ca  wrote:

> From: peasth...@shaw.ca 
> Subject: [Ekiga-list] (no subject)
> To: peasth...@shaw.ca, ekiga-list@gnome.org
> Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 3:58 PM
> Subject: audio message
> 
> Folk,
> 
> Sorry for the previous copy with the subject 
> not specified properly.
> 
> A logical way to send an audio message 
> is to create a sound file and send it, 
> mime encoded, by email.  Hopefully, the 
> receiving MUA can pass the sound data 
> to a suitable interpreter with minimal 
> intervention by the recipient.
> 
> Can Ekiga be used to encode and decode 
> the sound?  Can anyone cite or provide 
> specific instructions to send an audio 
> message?
> 
> Thanks,        ... Peter E.
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And why do you need Ekiga or any VOIP application for that matter ?

Use any command line or GUI encoder, and attach the encoded sound file to
your Email while it's being composed using your favorite MUA (Mail User
Agent I guess ?).

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Re: [Ekiga-list] STUN Connection problem?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Victoria Wilson  wrote:

> From: Victoria Wilson 
> Subject: [Ekiga-list] STUN Connection problem?
> To: ekiga-list@gnome.org
> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 4:17 AM
> Hi,
> I'm new to linux and have set up Ekiga to connect to
> the Gizmo service,
> as I'm switching from Windows and have some outbound
> call credit with
> Gizmo to use up.
> 
> It looks like Ekiga is able to connect to Gizmo, but a test
> call to the
> Ekiga echo test seems to run into problems (see log excerpt
> below).
> 
> As I say, being new to linux means I could be making an
> incredibly dim
> mistake somewhere, but if that is the case I'd really
> appreciate any
> pointers you may have. I've read the FAQ and nothing
> seemed obvious.
> I've opened the ports for Ekiga SIP and STUN service on
> my router but
> haven't done anything within Ubuntu to open any ports
> (do I need to? how
> would I do it?)
> 
> All help much appreciated,
> 
> 
> V
> 

Gizmo project used to have Linux client; I also had problems using Gizmo
with other than Gizmo SIP clients, so maybe better try Gizmo Linux client.

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[Ekiga-list] creating "statically" linked Ekiga (and not only)

[Sergei Steshenko]

Hello,

I suggested creating statically linked Ekiga for Linux to fascilitate
deployment/testing.

I came across this

http://statifier.sourceforge.net/statifier/readme.html

in a forum - hopefully it will work for Ekiga.

It won't be truly statically linked executable, but one will have all he/she
needs in _one_ file.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Call for testing our new ekiga.net platform

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, michel memeteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: michel memeteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Call for testing our new 
> ekiga.net platform
> To: "Ekiga mailing list" 
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 6:16 AM
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Sergei Steshenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> >
> > > Sergei , the point here is not about Ekiga
> testing but
> > > about the Web
> > > interface account creation & platform
> testing. If the
> > > 300 K users could
> > > tests this new platform it would be enough.
> >
> > Thanks, the point taken.
> > I've just tried to log in to ekiga.net - seems OK.
> I haven't tried to
> > change anything - have no reason to.
> > Still, my request regarding statically linked ekiga
> binary still stands.
> >
> 
> Seirgei the point is to test the NEW platform. Did you read
> the first mail
> of this thread from yannick  ?
> 
> """
> 
> We are currently in the process to switch the softwares
> used for the
> ekiga.net service. Before the real switch, we need some
> people to test
> it.
> 
> To use the improved service, you just need to configure
> ekiga 3.0 to use
> an inbound proxy (in Edit -> Preferences -> SIP
> Settings -> Outbound
> Proxy): set it as "ekiga.net:6060". The rest is
> just similar to the
> current use of ekiga.net
> 
> 
> """
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"you just need to configure ekiga 3.0 ..." - I couldn't find packages for
my SUSE 10.3 box, and even though I build a _lot_ of things from sources,
I do not yet have the infrastructure to build ekiga.

So, if you want me and/or others to test ekiga 3.0, please provide us with
a statically linked binary that does not require installation, have all
the dependencies in it and can be run from any directory.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Call for testing our new ekiga.net platform

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, michel memeteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: michel memeteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Call for testing our new 
> ekiga.net platform
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ekiga mailing list" 
> Cc: "Ekiga development mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:20 AM
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sergei Steshenko
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> >
> > If you want your application/platform to be eagerly
> tested, please prepare
> > a _statically_ linked Linux binary that can be put
> into any directory and
> > run from there.
> >
> > Then people won't have to wait for community
> packages/their new release of
> > their favorite distro.
> >
> > This is what Skype does for Linux, this is why
> portable applications for
> > Windows exist.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Sergei.
> >
> 
> Sergei , the point here is not about Ekiga testing but
> about the Web
> interface account creation & platform testing. If the
> 300 K users could
> tests this new platform it would be enough.

Thanks, the point taken.

I've just tried to log in to ekiga.net - seems OK. I haven't tried to 
change anything - have no reason to.

Still, my request regarding statically linked ekiga binary still stands.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Call for testing our new ekiga.net platform

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Call for testing our new 
> ekiga.net platform
> To: "Ekiga development mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Ekiga mailing list" 
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:39 AM
> Hi,
> 
> Without feedback :
> - do we consider that people are too lazy to test and that
> no test has
> been done
> - do we consider that it works well 
> 
> ?

If you want your application/platform to be eagerly tested, please prepare
a _statically_ linked Linux binary that can be put into any directory and
run from there.

Then people won't have to wait for community packages/their new release of
their favorite distro.

This is what Skype does for Linux, this is why portable applications for
Windows exist.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] how does ekiga compare to skype

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, ben pach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: ben pach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Ekiga-list] how does ekiga compare to skype
> To: ekiga-list@gnome.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:08 PM
> Do I have to uninstall skype to run this program?  What
> difference can I expect in the quality of ekiga vs skype
>  
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You do not have to uninstall Skype, and IMO Ekiga has better sound
quality, probably due to better jitter buffer implementation (based on
my experience with Ekiga 2.0.12).

Also, in Ekiga you have a possibility to choose the codec of your liking,
thus making it more suitable for the communication channel at your 
disposal.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] [ANNOUNCE] Ekiga 2.9.90 aka Ekiga 3.00 BETA1 released !

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Fabrice ALPHONSO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Fabrice ALPHONSO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] [ANNOUNCE] Ekiga 2.9.90 aka Ekiga 3.00 BETA1 
> released !
> To: "Ekiga mailing list" 
> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 10:35 AM
> Have a look at :
> 
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/ekiga/tags/EKIGA_2_9_90/ChangeLog?revision=6798&view=markup
> 
> hth,
> 
> Fabrice
> 
> Le mardi 02 septembre 2008 à 13:31 -0400, Oisin Feeley a
> écrit :
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Sergei Steshenko
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Damien Sandras
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >  
> > 
> > > * What's changed ?
> > > ==
> > 
> > 
> > Is there a URL to the Changelog ?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> >  Sergei.
> > 
> > I wondered that too. The closest I can find are these
> two links:
> >  
> > 
> > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Roadmap_to_3.00
> > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Planning_3_0
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > Oisin Feeley
> > 
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Regarding

http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/ekiga/tags/EKIGA_2_9_90/ChangeLog?revision=6798&view=markup

-  Firefox 3 under Linux shows an empty page - background color only, no
text.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] [ANNOUNCE] Ekiga 2.9.90 aka Ekiga 3.00 BETA1 released !

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Ekiga-list] [ANNOUNCE] Ekiga 2.9.90 aka Ekiga 3.00 BETA1 released !
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Ekiga mailing list" , [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]
> Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 4:50 AM
> This is the next generation of Ekiga. A major rewrite of
> Ekiga, and of
> OPAL, the main underlying library.
> 
> 
> * What is it ?
> ==
> 
> Ekiga is a free Voice over IP softphone allowing you to do
> free calls
> over the Internet.
> 
> Ekiga is the first Open Source application to support both
> H.323 and
> SIP, as well as audio and video. Ekiga was formerly known
> as
> GnomeMeeting.
> 
> More information can be found at http://www.ekiga.org
> 
> 
> * Where to get it ?
> ===
> 
> Ekiga is available at:
> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/ekiga/2.9
> 
> Dependancies like OPAL and PWLIB are available at:
> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/opal/3.3
> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/ptlib/2.3
> 
> OPAL and PTLIB *external* dependancies have been updated.
> They are TRUNK
> snapshots.
> 
> 
> * What's changed ?
> ==
> 
> - Everything... (please see ChangeLog).
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Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- Shawn Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Dee,
> 
> Nothing against your comment, but i cannot resist this post.
> 
> Following this logic, since windoze is an unstable and insecure product 
> that people pay for, it would be fitting that ekiga for windows would 
> have to also become a unstable, and insecure product that is not free.
> 
> This will save the team work - just release the alpha version for win32, 
> and ensure all errors end with a blue screen that blames the problem on 
> some other application.
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> D Webb wrote:
> > 
> >  > > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software
> >  > > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling.
> >  >
> >  > I don't get you.
> >  >
> >  > Regards,
> >  > Torsten
> > 
> > Stepping back our steps, it would be fitting for Ekiga for Windows to be
> > a commercial product since Windows is a commercial product.
> > 
> > Dee
> > 
> > 
> > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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And it may be a good idea to perform QA work - let Windows users suffer _grin_.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] [Ekiga-devel-list] Ekiga 3.00 available for WIN32 *only*

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- Torsten Schlabach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Dee!
> 
> > Sad! Windows is a commercial operating system. Commercial software 
> > is quite fitting. It is now 2 April and I am not fooling.
> 
> I don't get you.
> 
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Well, the sad truth is that to make a program known/popular one has to make it
running well on Windows, even though originally it could be a Linux/Unix 
program.

I'm not talking about myself, I'm talking generally.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] core dump

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--- Edward Dunagin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The min I offer to help someone, my Ekiga goes pffst.
> 
> Here is the core dump that happens when I now try a call.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params:
> Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
> 
> [1]+  Aborted (core dumped) ekiga
> 
> Any ideas?
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I rarely use Ekiga, and it sometimes crashes on my SUSE 10.2 box.

Since I use it very rarely, I do not bother to send a report.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype (D Webb)

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--- D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:26:30 +0100
> > To: ekiga-list@gnome.org
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga vs Skype (D Webb)
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:00:38PM +, D Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...
> > > same equipment Skype is choppy, Ekiga VoIP streams about as well as a 
> > > regular phone. Any thought on how/why? in the present case, it is exactly 
> > > the 
> > > same hardware/software and internet connection.
> > 
> > remember that skype is a p2p app while ekiga acts as client for a server.
> 
> Hah, didn't know Skype was p2p, I always thought it was also going through 
> a server since there is a login. Thanks for your thoughts, as they are 
> insightful.
> 
> Dee
> 

Skype can at its own discretion decide to use your connection to route traffic 
of
somebody else.

Ekiga, I think, has adjustable jitter buffer, which sometimes really improves
quality at the expense of latency.

Skype uses pretty wide band codec; Ekiga gives you a choice, so bandwidth can
be better utilized.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] Ekiga stable: Can't register in Vbuzzer any more; Twinkle works fine

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--- Ari El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hi, 
> 
>I think the vbuzzer folks recently upgraded their proxy. Since then, I
> can't get ekiga to register. Twinkle and  Xlite still work fine. 
> 
>I traced a registration attempt; for some reason ekiga is not answering
> the password challenge. 
> 
>I opened a test account (is free) to save you the trouble, in case you
> want to replicate the problem: 
>   
>Proxy / registrar: vbuzzer.com:80
>username: test1ekiga
>password: 12345
> 
>It would be great to get ekiga working again with them. 
> 
> Thanks!
> -- 
> View this message in context:
>
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The account can also be registered from OpenWengo; I do reproduce the problem 
in Ekiga.

IMO Ekiga's problem is that its  GUI does not have a way to enter port number;
in OpenWengo there is a separate form in the GUI for proxy port number.

At all, Ekiga's GUI is not convenient compared to other UAs.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] trace of problem getting Ekiga to workin Kubuntu gutsy

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--- Julien Puydt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > --- Julien Puydt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> >>> Looks like a bug (midding feature) in Ekiga. OpenWengo has a 
> >>> configuration file
> >>> which has port numbers in it; the file can be changed from the GUI.
> >> In gconf, there is : /schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
> >>
> >> Nothing's missing.
> >>
> >> Snark on #ekiga
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> >>
> > 
> > I'm running KDE and don't have 'gconf' installed.
> > 
> > Can 'gconf' be installed under KDE ?
> 
> Are you sure you don't have gconf installed?

Yes, I am:

"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/sda8/sergei> which gconf
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/sda8/sergei> whereis gconf
gconf:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/sda8/sergei> 
"

> 
> Chances are your distribution compiled ekiga with gconf, and you're 
> using it right now.
> 

Using Ekiga or using gconf ?

> Notice that I didn't give a file path, but a configuration path : don't 
> touch the files!
> 
> Try to use gconftool-2 to edit your configuration... it is more likely 
> to work.

I do have gconftool-2 installed, but I have no idea how to use it - after 
briefly
looking into its manpage.

Is this GNOME philosophy to use another (gconf, gconftool-2) tool to edit 
settings ?

If yes, why ?


> 
> Snark on #ekiga

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Re: [Ekiga-list] trace of problem getting Ekiga to workin Kubuntu gutsy

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- Sergei Steshenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> --- Julien Puydt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > > Looks like a bug (midding feature) in Ekiga. OpenWengo has a 
> > > configuration file
> > > which has port numbers in it; the file can be changed from the GUI.
> > 
> > In gconf, there is : /schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
> > 
> > Nothing's missing.
> > 
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> > 
> 
> It appears that on SUSE 10.2 the file is
> 
> /etc/opt/gnome/gconf/schemas/ekiga.schemas
> 
> and the piece of data in the file related to listening port is:
> 
>   11233 
>   11234   /schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
>   11235   /apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
>   11236   Ekiga
>   11237   int
>   11238   5060
>   11239   
>   11240 Listen port
>   11241 The port to listen to for incoming connections. Ekiga 
> needs to be
> restarted
> for the new value to take effect
>   11242   
> .
> 
> Thanks,
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> 
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And also in

/etc/opt/gnome/gconf/schemas/ekiga.schemas:  5060:5100
/etc/opt/gnome/gconf/gconf.xml.schemas/schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/%gconf.xml:
   

/etc/opt/gnome/gconf/gconf.xml.schemas/schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/ports/%gconf.xml:
 
  5060:5100

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Re: [Ekiga-list] trace of problem getting Ekiga to workin Kubuntu gutsy

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--- Julien Puydt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > Looks like a bug (midding feature) in Ekiga. OpenWengo has a configuration 
> > file
> > which has port numbers in it; the file can be changed from the GUI.
> 
> In gconf, there is : /schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
> 
> Nothing's missing.
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It appears that on SUSE 10.2 the file is

/etc/opt/gnome/gconf/schemas/ekiga.schemas

and the piece of data in the file related to listening port is:

  11233 
  11234   /schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
  11235   /apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
  11236   Ekiga
  11237   int
  11238   5060
  11239   
  11240 Listen port
  11241 The port to listen to for incoming connections. Ekiga 
needs to be restarted
for the new value to take effect
  11242   
.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] trace of problem getting Ekiga to workin Kubuntu gutsy

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--- Julien Puydt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > Looks like a bug (midding feature) in Ekiga. OpenWengo has a configuration 
> > file
> > which has port numbers in it; the file can be changed from the GUI.
> 
> In gconf, there is : /schemas/apps/ekiga/protocols/sip/listen_port
> 
> Nothing's missing.
> 
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I'm running KDE and don't have 'gconf' installed.

Can 'gconf' be installed under KDE ?

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Re: [Ekiga-list] trace of problem getting Ekiga to workin Kubuntu gutsy

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- Dave Higton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> What file did you have to edit to do this?  I have (sort of) the
> opposite problem: my Ekiga installation (SuSE 10.2) uses port 5061
> and I'd prefer it to use 5060.  I searched through the installation
> at the weekend and couldn't see any reference to port numbers
> anywhere.
> 
> Dave
>

Looks like a bug (midding feature) in Ekiga. OpenWengo has a configuration file
which has port numbers in it; the file can be changed from the GUI.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]
> 
> I've upgraded our online documentation here:
> http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Managing_VOIP_Accounts#How_do_I_choose_the_default_account_.3F
> 
> Damien, can you check if what I wrote there is right?
> 
> Regards,
> Yannick
> 


Thanks - I've read you entry and it's the kind info I've originally been looking
for.

By the way, if Ekiga really tries to select the same source provider as the 
destination
one - it's a good feature. Though there should be a quick and reversible way to
temporarily disable it - if one wants to check inter-provider operability.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- Julien Puydt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > What does the word "use" mean in this context ?
> > 
> > There is no "use account" or "set account" or "choose account" entry in GUI.
> > 
> > 
> > Suppose when I start Ekiga, I check (in terms of checkboxes) my both 
> > accounts.
> > 
> > So, which of them will be seen by my friend ?
> > 
> > For example, in Ekiga I've entered two accounts and both are registered:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > .
> > 
> > And I'm calling [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
> > 
> > So, will my friend see the call coming from
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > or from
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > ?
> 
>  From the default account.
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Thanks.

Please update the documentation accordingly.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- Carsten Maass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Sergei,
> 
> Sergei Steshenko schrieb:
> > So, assuming all the pearing agreements are in place, could you please 
> > answer my
> > particular question:
> > 
> > For example, in Ekiga I've entered two accounts and both areregistered:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > .
> > 
> > And I'm calling [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
> > 
> > So, will my friend see the call coming from
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > or from
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > ?
> 
> 
> i guess the confusion you have is: _registering_ two accounts doesn't
> mean they are both automatically set as default. In the Accounts dialog
> you have the option to set one (and only one!) account as your default
> account, at which point things work like yannick said in his first post.
> 
> Answering your question above:
> 
> If you didn't set one of your accounts manually as your default account,
> the account you first added to ekiga became your default account
> (identifiable by its bold font) and will be used for the call to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> If you manually set the second account as your default account, this one
> will be used for the call.
> 
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Thanks for answering.

I suggest to put this info, i.e. the short answer:

"
If you didn't set one of your accounts manually as your default account,
the account you first added to ekiga became your default account
(identifiable by its bold font) and will be used for the call to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you manually set the second account as your default account, this one
will be used for the call.
"

into documentation.

So far all the SIP user agents I've tried had a clear separation between default
account and current account, i.e. the one from which the call will come to
destination.

And I believe all those other user agents do the right thing.

So, I also suggest to upgrade Ekiga functionality WRT default <-> current 
accounts
so it will be like the others' one.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Le mercredi 28 novembre 2007 à 12:32 -0800, Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > For example, in Ekiga I've entered two accounts and both are
> > registered:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > .
> > 
> > And I'm calling [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
> > 
> > So, will my friend see the call coming from
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > or from
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > ?
> 
> This just wont work. VoIP is not like email. I wish it could work as
> email, but it does not work like an email.
> 
With the particular example of wengo.fr and brujula.net it _does_work.

I'm saying it because I did place a call from brujula.net to wengo.fr 
destination,
and wengo.fr destination did see that the call came from brujula.net.

So, assuming all the pearing agreements are in place, could you please answer my
particular question:

For example, in Ekiga I've entered two accounts and both areregistered:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.

And I'm calling [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

So, will my friend see the call coming from

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

or from

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

?

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Le mercredi 28 novembre 2007 à 09:28 -0800, Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > --- yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Le mercredi 28 novembre 2007 à 07:41 -0800, Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > > > OK, suppose, _both_ of my accounts are selected, then from of the
> > > > accounts will
> > > > my call come ?
> > > > 
> > > > That was my question.
> > > 
> > > The call will go to the provider you tell after the @
> > 
> > I understand where the call will go to, and this is _not_ what I've asked.
> > 
> > May quastion is: from which of _my_ two accounts my friend will see
> > my call ?
> > 
> > SIP user agents I've used so far show the source of call, and my question
> > was about the source.
> 
> The source will be
>
sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> let's say you're calling
> sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> you friend will see:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> If you use the second account:
> sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

What does the word "use" mean in this context ?

There is no "use account" or "set account" or "choose account" entry in GUI.


Suppose when I start Ekiga, I check (in terms of checkboxes) my both accounts.

So, which of them will be seen by my friend ?

For example, in Ekiga I've entered two accounts and both are registered:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.

And I'm calling [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

So, will my friend see the call coming from

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

or from

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

?

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Le mercredi 28 novembre 2007 à 07:41 -0800, Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > OK, suppose, _both_ of my accounts are selected, then from of the
> > accounts will
> > my call come ?
> > 
> > That was my question.
> 
> The call will go to the provider you tell after the @

I understand where the call will go to, and this is _not_ what I've asked.

May quastion is: from which of _my_ two accounts my friend will see
my call ?

SIP user agents I've used so far show the source of call, and my question
was about the source.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Le mercredi 28 novembre 2007 à 07:41 -0800, Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > --- yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Le mardi 27 novembre 2007 à 20:55 -0800, Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > > > If I do so and if I "dial" a SIP account, from which of the two
> > > > accounts do I dial ?
> > > 
> > > You can call sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > OK, suppose, _both_ of my accounts are selected, then from of the accounts 
> > will
> > my call come ?
> > 
> > That was my question.
> > 
> > Some friends may know me through one account of mine, and others through
> > another, so I do not want my friends to reject my call because they come 
> > from
> > and unknown to them account.
> > 
> > Also, some echo services reject alien accounts.
> > 
> > So, again, if both accounts are selected, from which of them will my 
> > friends see
> > my call ?
> > 
> > It's like I have a number of accounts in my sylpheed-claws, and I choose 
> > from
> > which of them I send an Email.
> 
> Like Yannick said.
> Either by the default account, or you have to use the full sip address.
> -- 
>  _ Damien Sandras

Neither of you answered my question.

The question was:

if I have both accounts registered and if I call my friend with full URI,
like sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED], from which of the accounts will my friend
see my call ?

I think the question is simple enough.

And I'm asking this question _after_ reading the documentation - because I
couldn't find an answer in the documentation.

Say, 'twinkle' supports simultaneously two lines, and its source can be easily
reconfigured to support more; it looks like PJSIP ( http://www.pjsip.org ) also
supports a number of accounts simultaneously (haven't tried it yet in practice),
so end user's ability to understand from which account the other party will see
the incoming call is important.

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[Ekiga-list] fixed size windows in GUI

[Sergei Steshenko]

Hello All,

I've been unpleasantly surprised by the fact that various Ekiga windows
especially the ones with text entry fields, have fixed size.

I do have sometimes to enter text which is longer than text entry field,
and it's becoming really uncomfortable to in such a case.

'twinkle' does not have this issue, i.e. its windows are stretchable.

I suggest to reconsider the decision to have fixed sized windows in Ekiga.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

--- yannick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Le mardi 27 novembre 2007 à 20:55 -0800, Sergei Steshenko a écrit :
> > If I do so and if I "dial" a SIP account, from which of the two
> > accounts do I dial ?
> 
> You can call sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

OK, suppose, _both_ of my accounts are selected, then from of the accounts will
my call come ?

That was my question.

Some friends may know me through one account of mine, and others through
another, so I do not want my friends to reject my call because they come from
and unknown to them account.

Also, some echo services reject alien accounts.

So, again, if both accounts are selected, from which of them will my friends see
my call ?

It's like I have a number of accounts in my sylpheed-claws, and I choose from
which of them I send an Email.

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[Ekiga-list] multiple accounts - which of them is used as source ?

[Sergei Steshenko]

Hello All,

I've just tried Ekiga as a SIP phone, and it positive feature is jitter buffer 
- really
improves quality.

Now the bad thing.

I've entered two accounts (none with Ekiga).

I can choose both of them to perform registration (through checkboxes).

If I do so and if I "dial" a SIP account, from which of the two accounts do I 
dial ?

In 'twinkle' there is no such question - I first choose source (my) account and 
then
I choose destination account.

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