Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-19 Thread Fred Jensen
More than just them.  Steve, K6OIK, who has presented at a number of past Pacificons speaks about the Myths of Conjugate Matching in a Pacificon presentation from 2011 at https://www.fars.k6ya.org/docs/Conjugate-Match-Myths.pdf It begins on page 20.  This is Dr. Stearns home turf, it can be a l

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Wasn't there a debate between Maxwell and Walter Bruene (designed the Collins 30L1) on the conjugate match...I think Bruene disagreed with the popular notion of a conjugate match. Jack BMW Motorcycles Chuck KE9UW c-haw...@illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Gary Peter

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread Fred Jensen
I very vaguely remember there was a different optimum length for the others, thanks! 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 7/18/2020 12:25 PM, W2xj wrote: That only applies to class A stations with protected skywave. Otherwise, something near 225 degrees is best. Sent fro

[Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread Gary Peterson
You are in good company with Walter Maxwell, W2DU, now silent key. Maxwell was an engineer at RCA. He designed the antennas on several earth orbiting satellites and the antenna on the Lunar Rover. He explained this quite succinctly in his book Reflections (all three editions), by use of the

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread W2xj
That only applies to class A stations with protected skywave. Otherwise, something near 225 degrees is best. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:33, Fred Jensen wrote: > > And the Texas Bug Catcher, Webster BandSpanner, SteppIR's, et al. All > represent changes to the antenna itse

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread Fred Jensen
And the Texas Bug Catcher, Webster BandSpanner, SteppIR's, et al.  All represent changes to the antenna itself, which would also include changing the height [e.g. cranking the tower up and down] and possibly cutting down nearby trees or metal buildings [:=).  Any change to the antenna itself or

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Rick NK7I
Save one; the screwdriver antenna on my truck is tuned (coil adjusted) by the TurboTuner attached to my radio until a match is found. And an argument could be made that a SteppIR controller performs a similar function. The rest are matching circuits to compensate for the disparity of input to

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread David Gilbert
That's not in the least true, but those among us fixated on semantics continue to push that tired old myth. You could, for example, have an antenna with a feedpoint impedance of 50 - j40 ohms, and if you insert 40 ohms worth of inductance in series with the feedline at the feedpoint you wil

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread John Magliacane via Elecraft
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 10:03:24 PM EDT, Fred Jensen wrote: > No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been > "tuned" by an "antenna tuner." Unless the "tuner" is simply a broadband transformer, I might agree. But if the "tuner" is an LC network, like an adjustable L n

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Fred Jensen
No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been "tuned" by an "antenna tuner."  So called antenna tuners are 2-port impedance matching networks ... all of them ... and their job is to match the impedance on one port to another impedance on the second port, period.  Nothing g

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread John Magliacane via Elecraft
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote: > Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a > tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k > WB9FMC On Friday, July 17, 2020, 08:21:54 PM EDT, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: >

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
Dave - RRR - 73 Ken K5DNL On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:24:10 PM CDT, Dave Cole wrote: Tuners...  Tuners...  We don't need no stinking tuners...  Real men use antennas that don't need stinking tuners... Sorry I had too... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Dave Cole
Tuners... Tuners... We don't need no stinking tuners... Real men use antennas that don't need stinking tuners... Sorry I had too... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 7/1

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
Kurt, We are not tuning the antenna , we are matching the antenna to the coax at the base of the antenna. 73 Ken K5DNL On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote: Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a tuner! {'-) It accompl

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski
Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna _/is/_ a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k WB9FMC On 7/17/2020 6:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: Antenna tuners I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at

[Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
Antenna tuners I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna – HI Hi. 73 Ken K5DNL   __ Elecraft mailing list

RE: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2007-08-27 Thread Craig D. Smith
<> A standalone, boxed ATU capable of <> being fully controlled by the K3 would be a nice future option. I agree. I suggested a remote tuner as a K3 option some time ago, but I know the plate is full at Aptos. I have an Icom AH-4 that I use with my IC-7000 in a remote configuration with my ladde

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2007-08-27 Thread Julian G4ILO
On 8/26/07, K8TB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of antenna tuners Is there any possiblity that the new > K3 antenna tuner can be put in a seperate box and be remotely > controlled? If it is anything like the KAT2 then I think that the tight integration with the transceiver would mak

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2007-08-26 Thread K8TB
Speaking of antenna tuners Is there any possiblity that the new K3 antenna tuner can be put in a seperate box and be remotely controlled? I use a 102' dipole, fed with balanced feedline, which then goes into a back room in the basement. There, it hits a 4:1 balun, and then it sees an LDG

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2007-08-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Walt and all, Just one clarification (for the protection of your KAT100 and K2). The KAT100 does not talk with any RS-232 signals. It does connect to the K2 AUX I/O connector, but that is not rs-232 either - there are only 3 RS-232 signal lines (RXD, TXD and signal ground) in the AUX I/O con

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2007-08-25 Thread waltk8cv4612amos
, MI. - Original Message - From: "Scott McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:13 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners Hi Has anyone checked to see if it would be possible to get the Kat100-1 external antenna tuner for the k2 to work with the

RE: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2007-08-25 Thread Ed Muns
> Has anyone checked to see if it would be possible to get the > Kat100-1 external antenna tuner for the k2 to work with the K3? > I'm planning on ordering the K3, but don't want to have to > pay for two antenna tuners. >From the K3 FAQ web pages on the Elecraft web site: The KAT100 and KPA100

[Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2007-08-25 Thread Scott McDowell
Hi Has anyone checked to see if it would be possible to get the Kat100-1 external antenna tuner for the k2 to work with the K3? I'm planning on ordering the K3, but don't want to have to pay for two antenna tuners. Any ideas? Thanks Scott N5sm ___

[Elecraft] Antenna tuners to be continued

2005-02-06 Thread Rolf Moberg, OH6KXL
earl baillley wrote: Hi Ci. Your plan is exavtly the same as mine. I have a K2 100 without tuner. Years back I had an SGC tuner which could do everything including I have wire antenna tuned by SGC. I'll build K2/100 and KAT-100. Could it be possible to use one or two antennas via KAT-100 and