RE: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Dohn
Don't call me Shirley Dohn N8EWY -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Brown (HB9DRV) Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:59 AM To: elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!) I expect he wi

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-10-01 Thread n2ey
-Original Message- From: Goody K3NG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Another thing to note is that ARRL buys all the gear they review, right off the shelf just like any other ham would. And it's bought in such a way that the seller doesn't know it's going to be an ARRL test unit. -- As for "fl

Re: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-10-01 Thread d.cutter
nking plugs to unused outlets on various bits of gear. This is not for the home lab. David G3UNA > > From: Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/10/01 Mon PM 03:53:59 BST > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology >

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-10-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
As measurements become more precise, it becomes more and more important to recognize what Bill is pointing out. A slight difference in test setup can result in a different result. These measurements are done at the sub-microvolt level and it does not take much to create a difference. Test eq

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Stewart Baker
Good idea, I tried 2 years ago with the K2. Stewart G3RXQ Carefully steering clear of "Airplane" trap. On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:59:01 +0200, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: > I expect he will be interested - with any luck he'll be at the RSGB HF > convention, I'll ask him about this. > > Shirley someo

[Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-10-01 Thread Bill Tippett
W5WVO: >I don't know what the test configuration of the SDR-5000 was -- I don't think it uses any discrete hardware roofing filters, does it? -- but Elecraft is already claiming that the IMDDR3 at 5 kHz spacing (400 Hz CW roofing filter) will be greater than 100 dB. (See K3 Specs page) I don't

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-10-01 Thread Goody K3NG
Another thing to note is that ARRL buys all the gear they review, right off the shelf just like any other ham would. So no vendor, advertiser or otherwise, has an opportunity to submit an individually tuned or "souped up" unit to get a better review. ARRL periodically auctions off review unit

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
Pah! He will be there - he has a presentation on Saturday morning. Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: "Simon Brown (HB9DRV)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I expect he will be interested - with any luck he'll be at the RSGB HF convention, I'll ask him about this.

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
I expect he will be interested - with any luck he'll be at the RSGB HF convention, I'll ask him about this. Shirley someone can arrange for him to get his hands on a K3. Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: "Stewart Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I spoke with Peter a year

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-10-01 Thread Tom Hammond
Bill: I'm assuming you saw Rob Sherwood's recent posting to the FT-2000 reflector. It was recently re-printed to the elecraft reflector but Bill Tippett, W4ZV. Here's some comments on that article from Eric Swartz, WA6HHQ, of Elecraft. 73, Tom __ Hi Bill, I discuss

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Stewart Baker
When I spoke with Peter a year or so back about a possible K2 review he didn't seem very interested. Who knows, the K3 may evoke a different response. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:55:43 +0100, Julian G4ILO wrote: > RSGB, unlike ARRL, does not buy products for review. Review products > a

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Julian G4ILO
RSGB, unlike ARRL, does not buy products for review. Review products are loaned free of charge by dealers or manufacturers (this practise in common with all UK magazines I am aware of - and I worked for several years as an editor and then freelance reviewer for computer publications.) I think the

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Stewart Baker
It will be interesting to see if the K3 gets a full spec review in RadCom. Probably not as there is no advertising money from Disti's involved. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:12:50 +0100, Julian G4ILO wrote: > That is exactly right. And it is not a fault only of ARRL. You never > read a h

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-10-01 Thread Julian G4ILO
That is exactly right. And it is not a fault only of ARRL. You never read a harsh review in RSGB RadCom or Practical Wireless over here either. PW reviews are a total waste of time as they are completely subjective. -- Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392 K3 s/n: ??? G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Ham-Direct

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-09-30 Thread Bill W5WVO
Bill Tippett wrote: (keyclicks and phase noise). They're getting better but IMHO they need to tone down the fluffiness in the QST articles. I agree. I find the articles themselves to be mostly non-critical rah-rah stuff that the Marketing Department at the radio company could just as well h

[Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-09-30 Thread Bill Tippett
WA6HHQ: >I discussed the issue of the missing IMDDR3 numbers (Third Order Dynamic Range) with Michael Tracy at the ARRL a couple of weeks ago. I expressed my strong concern that they had dropped these from the review data and were only posting a footnote showing how to calculate them from the I

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology

2007-09-30 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Hi Bill, I discussed the issue of the missing IMDDR3 numbers (Third Order Dynamic Range) with Michael Tracy at the ARRL a couple of weeks ago. I expressed my strong concern that they had dropped these from the review data and were only posting a footnote showing how to calculate them from the

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-09-30 Thread K4IA
Ouch - I would say he nailed it! I have serious issues with the AGC as handled by the Orion's DSP. What will the K3 offer? k4ia Craig "Buck" Fredericksburg, Virginia USA ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-09-30 Thread Mike Fatchett W0MU
> > When will the day come when the information in QST is more than a > fluff review, and a free multi-page advertisement for the manufacturer? When the magazine publishing costs are not paid for by the advertisers? I can't wait to compare the K3 with my 2000 and 1000MP. Mike W0MU Sent using th

Re: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-09-30 Thread Ed Rodriguez
waveBill thanks for your input..really appreciated... de Wp4o, Ed - Original Message - From: "Bill Tippett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!) Rob Sherwood gav

[Elecraft] Sherwood on ARRL Testing Methodology (LONG!)

2007-09-30 Thread Bill Tippett
Rob Sherwood gave his permission to post this on the FT-2000 list. Since that is public information I am posting it here also. BTW I agree with his comments on the "new" methodology. 73, Bill W4ZV What has gone wrong with the ARRL's new Product Revi