Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread David Cutter
Yes, Doug, I remember doing that, thanks for reminding me, it's very good practice. - Original Message - From: "GM0ELP" To: Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW? > > > > 1) running throug

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Alan Bloom
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 16:17 -0700, GM0ELP wrote: > > Hi, > I find that most people who already know cw forget the part where you > simply have to memorise the code. I learned the code with the following method: First I learned the Morse code for the letters "E" and "T". Then I listened on th

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Frank Ross W4NHJ
[Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW? > Doug GM0ELP wrote: > > "... most people who already know cw forget the part where you > simply have to memorise the code. All the methods discussed so far come > after this hurdle." > > -

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread David Wilburn
Those were some great links. Thanks Drew for making those available. I have a friend that is trying to get his speed up, I'm going to pass it along. Dave Wilburn NM4M Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Doug GM0ELP wrote: > > "... most people who already know cw forget the part where you > simply hav

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Doug GM0ELP wrote: "... most people who already know cw forget the part where you simply have to memorise the code. All the methods discussed so far come after this hurdle." Except the program Drew, AF2Z has made available at:

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread David Wilburn
I'm experienced in this, mainly as a result of going about it the wrong way initially, and then having to "re-learn" it once I wanted to do morse code. Initially I bought the 5 wpm CD when I was first licensed in 2001. I then went to take the test, and found out that the letters were sent muc

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread GM0ELP
Hi, I find that most people who already know cw forget the part where you simply have to memorise the code. All the methods discussed so far come after this hurdle. I found that grouping can help i.e. eish, tmo, 12345, 67890, ndb, auv, kr, qy,px.. etc. Once the code can be recalled by associati

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Tnx Drew! That's how I learned it too, about 10 years after those recordings were made. It was reminiscent to hear them talk about "short sounds" and "long sounds" and not dots or dits and dashes and dahs. Many, many thousands of people entering military service who had never heard Morse learne

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread R. Kevin Stover
Ditto everything Brendan wrote. The Farnsworth method is fine for learning enough CW to pass a test, which we don't have any longer, but the beauty of the Koch method is you learn the characters at full speed and properly spaced. You learn two characters to start and only start adding character

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Jed Petrovich
Kristinn: First of all, I would agree with the comments from the others who have responded to this message. Specifically, daily practice, in short sessions, is best. I'm am a fairly new ham, having been licensed since 2005. Just as I was starting to learn CW, I was directed to information on the

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread drewko
I have no experience teaching Morse Code, but I did learn it very quickly from some old US Army Signal Corps records. I have uploaded these recordings to Internet Archive: They are quite primitive, but maybe som

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Brendan Minish
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 19:42 +0100, David Cutter wrote: > > I've heard that the Koch method works, but I have no direct experience of > it. I know the Farnsworth method of sending/receiving characters about > twice as fast as the average, with longer gaps is very helpful. It gives > the recei

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Fri, 8 May 2009 19:42:19 +0100, "David Cutter" wrote: >I agree with Alan and will add to ignore the advice I have seen in some >manuals that tell you not to start sending until you can receive at such and >such speed. In my experience, it's better to start sending straight away >with a tut

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Ron NA9F
Still, I am interested in establishing CW courses for those new amateurs who may want to learn CW, and I am seeking advice from those of you who have experience. For example... - General suggestions for methods (Koch, etc.) - Software and other tools for class teaching and individual practice

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Kristen, Take a serious look at the K7QO Code Course. Chuck is a master at high speed CW, and his code course can be downloaded from http://www.k7qo.net/ - these are .iso images that can be used to make CDs for everyone in the class. The code is learned by sound - no other method should be used,

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread David Cutter
: "TF3KX" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW? > On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 10:38 -0700, TF3KX wrote: > >> ... I am interested in establishing CW courses for those new amateurs who >> may want to learn CW, an

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Suggested techniques for teaching CW?

2009-05-08 Thread Alan Bloom
On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 10:38 -0700, TF3KX wrote: > ... I am interested in establishing CW courses for those new amateurs who > may want to learn CW, and I am seeking advice from those of you who have > experience. For example... > > - General suggestions for methods (Koch, etc.) The most importa