Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-12 Thread W2xj
Without context you are not making any sense. Quoted material would be considerate. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2019, at 08:45, Bill wrote: > > Of course you do! I was only reporting what I have found to be effective in > my particular circumstance. > > Further, not everyone has the m

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-12 Thread Bill
Of course you do! I was only reporting what I have found to be effective in my particular circumstance. Further, not everyone has the manual dexterity or prowess to build things themselves - hence, they purchase as needed. Hopefully, without recrimination. Bill W2BLC on the air for over 60 y

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/11/2019 2:00 PM, Bill wrote: Might I suggest a Common Mode Filter, such as that sold my myantennas.com All the mumbo-jumbo on that site tells me that they selling snake oil. FAR better, and much less expensive, wind your own using these guidelines. k9yc.com/2018Cookbook.pdf 73, Jim K9

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2019-10-11 3:19 PM, Doug Person wrote: > My favorite is the "Differential-T" 986 which tunes everything with very little effort. Any of the many "T" (single shunt coil, multiple series capacitors) network tuners are high pass networks. They do very little to suppress harmonics and/or phas

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Bill
Might I suggest a Common Mode Filter, such as that sold my myantennas.com? My standby antenna is an endfed half-wave from the same source. It hangs from the eve corner and is noisy - the kind of noise that comes from today's modern household. I put a CMC Filter on it right at the bulkhead here

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Doug Person
Is there any modern-day equivalent to the old Johnson Matchbox? I use several different MFJ tuners with good results. My favorite is the "Differential-T" 986 which tunes everything with very little effort. I don't actually know how efficient it is but it tunes my 132' doublet fed with 450 ohm l

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Bill Frantz
In WVARA, we have very good success running several bands on the same antenna at the same time using triplexers. We set up our triband yagis parallel to each other so they are in each other's low-gain area. We have been able to operate CW, SSB, and digital on the same band at the same time. T

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Edward R Cole
A simple way to make a center-fed half-wave dipole multi-band is by using alligator clips to disconnect outer section a dipole in order to run on a higher freq band. Simple make a dipole for the lowest freq of interest and then cut the wires at the length for the higher band, attach an alligat

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/11/2019 5:32 AM, Wes wrote: I don't suppose your callsign has anything to do with the success of your antennas. Vic's original call was K2VCO. As kids, we worked on 40M traffic nets before heading out to high school in the '50s. We reconnected about 15 years ago after he and I had both

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Phil Kane
On 10/11/2019 5:32 AM, Wes wrote: > I don't suppose your callsign [ 4X6GP ] has anything to do with the success of > your antennas.:-) When I was 4X4UQ in the mid-1960s I had to beat off the Europeans while running 75 watts into a tri-bander about 1 meter above the roof of a 4-story cinder-black

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Rick WA6NHC
adder line feed is about 160 feet, then the balun, and finally about 13 feet of RG8XU to the KAT500. 73 Lyn, WØLEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 6:17 PM To: elecr

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Wow! We're way over the single topic posting limit on this thread. Let's end it for now in the interest of helping others survive email overload. 73, Eric /mooderator.. elecraft.com/ On 10/11/2019 8:52 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: Rick - You may have a balun issue. I had problems too until I switch

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Lyn Norstad
: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick WA6NHC Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 6:17 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas I have over 200 countries on a similar antenna, though I had to use another tune

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Martin Sole
Ha ha, that's a good one, I too have a 20dB callsign. Not always but I'm sure on occasion it helps. I often get 10 to 20 over nine reports running 100 watts to a 2 element (Force 12 C3 @ 24m) from Europe when more powerful stations from there make only 5-6 to 5-7 here. Martin, HS0ZED On 11/

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-11 Thread Wes
I don't suppose your callsign has anything to do with the success of your antennas.:-) Wes  N7WS On 10/10/2019 10:54 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: Things I’ve learned by experience: In 63 years as a ham, I’ve had several :-) HF antennas. The ones that gave me the greatest overall satisfaction hav

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Richard Corfield
I don't do field day. I've been using monoband dipoles so far for portable operations due to cost and weight constraints. They work incredibly well, and I hope to go out with a high Q antenna for 30m and a long pole to try end fed vertical. (My long pole seems stuck in the post! Courier emailed.).

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Vic Rosenthal
You bet. The Johnson Matchbox is as good as any expensive band pass filter. Victor 4X6GP > On 11 Oct 2019, at 2:57, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > The one "multiband" antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter > configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a > *Link coupled* tuner.

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Things I’ve learned by experience: In 63 years as a ham, I’ve had several :-) HF antennas. The ones that gave me the greatest overall satisfaction have been balanced, horizontal antennas. The worst have been verticals with inadequate radial systems or low random-length wires. Inverted Vs with a

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Jim Brown
On 10/10/2019 4:56 PM, Al Lorona wrote: an undue fear of noise, which some hams have, NO fear of noise is undue. It is EVERYWHERE, and it gets worse every day! 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailm

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Mike Flowers
Extra Class licensees vs. Extra Class Operators ... huge delta there ... -- 73 de Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Oct 10, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > I used my Johnson Matchbox at our Field Day event about 3 years ago. I > went through each band and seve

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread K2bew
That's a sad commentary on the state of modern ham radio To, k2bew On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:12 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I used my Johnson Matchbox at our Field Day event about 3 years ago. I > went through each band and several frequencies on each band and compiled > a written chart id

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I used my Johnson Matchbox at our Field Day event about 3 years ago.   I went through each band and several frequencies on each band and compiled a written chart identifying the settings for each band/frequency.    After 2 hours of trying to work stations on 20M,  the radio failed and they came

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Ed Pflueger
lhelm Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 6:44 PM To: Bob McGraw K4TAX ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas Bob, Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have infinite out of band rejection. There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Don Wilhelm
Joe, I agree completely, bring your Johnson Matchbox to the next Field Day! Or even your old plug-in coil open frame link coupled balanced tuner. Who has a link coupled tuner (like the Johnson Matchbox) these days? Those are big boat anchor box these days (and hard to find). I have one that

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
As usual, there are exceptions to everything. A multi-band beam, such as a C3S or the modern equivalent, will perform incredibly well when used with bandpass filters and a triplexer. The 10,15 and 20 meter stations all will use the antenna through the triplexer/BPFs with no issues. This also tur

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
The one "multiband" antenna one can use in a multi-transmitter configuration is the flat-top with open wire feeders and a *Link coupled* tuner. The link coupled tuner is a bandpass filter that significantly reduces harmonic/broadband noise just like the "Q" of a single band antenna. 73, ...

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Al Lorona
Fair enough, but it kinda goes without saying that in a group FD with 1 station per band they'll use resonant, single-band antennas. If this is our best argument against the 'multiband dipole', then that antenna still holds its own pretty well in a multitude of other situations. I have always f

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bob, Bandpass filters at each station will help a lot, but they do not have infinite out of band rejection. There is still a huge benefit with single band antennas. My club uses both. Last Field Day (3F operation) one station got on the air with a multiband vertical, and all other operators

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Rick WA6NHC
I have over 200 countries on a similar antenna, though I had to use another tuner than the KAT500, for 160M. Average height was about 35'. Just keep the coax short, like under 10' and as much center fed wire as you can put in the air, it'll play.  It won't rock your world, it'll make you work

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I thought a Band Pass Filter at each station resolved that issue. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/10/2019 5:27 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: Well-said, Don. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP On Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 16:23 Don Wilhelm wrote: All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the problem of multi-stat

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Al Lorona
Precisely because of this objection and countless others, is why I expressly stated, "...at the expense of any other possible advantage." I think we all understand that there's no magic antenna. The 'magic' of the antenna we're discussing here is simplicity, all-frequency operation, and high eff

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Don Wilhelm
All this talk of multi-band antennas for Field Day ignores the problem of multi-station Field Day operation. There is sufficient pickup of one transmitter's energy on the antenna being used by a receiver on another band. For that reason, my club has banned the use of multiband antennas for Field

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread David Lee / Seatools
On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 2:06 PM Fred Jensen wrote: > Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close > to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when > operated at higher frequencies, squirting your RF in a variety of > directions, many of which m

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Fred Jensen
Yes, however ... a center-fed dipole long enough to be moderately close to a half-wave at 40 will develop a serious case of acute lobe-itis when operated at higher frequencies, squirting your RF in a variety of directions, many of which may not be productive for your intended objective.  Try, a

Re: [Elecraft] Center-fed antennas

2019-10-10 Thread Lyn Norstad
I'm having great success with a horizontal center-fed "dipole" that has been sized (360 feet long) to be an Extended Double Zepp (4.7 dbi gain) and cut for the low end of 80 meters. I feed it with 600 ohm "True" Ladder Line from a Balun Designs Hybrid Balun (1:1 Current and 4:1 Voltage all in o