Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-25 Thread Fred Townsend
Lee I had exactly the same problem at FD this year. Before I illuminate the problem a little background. We were running 2A with additional GOTA and VHF stations. Last year the very noisy old 6KW generator puked a piston so it was time to retire it. We wanted a new generator that could be carried

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2012 25 Jun 14:43 -0500, Fred Townsend wrote: Conclusion: A little acoustical noise from the generator is a good thing. Heh! I was actually proposing the idea of an EU2000 or another quiet generator before next year's outing. Our current model is plenty loud and we've used batteries

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-25 Thread Fred Townsend
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED And if one uses silver based solder? Nope I don't and won't until I need to resupply; which will be quite a while from now. Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone keypad, sorry for typos On Jun 24, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: Does

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-25 Thread Bob
Sounds like you need to get an extended gas cap and tank for your EU2000 -- I have a 6-gallon boat tank hooked up to mine and it will run at full power output for well over 24 hours. With that setup you would fill it with gas at the start of the contest and just turn it off when you were done.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-25 Thread Bob
Every one should have one of these or another brand in their toolbox: http://www.amazon.com/GE-50542-Receptacle-Improper-Indicator/dp/B002LZTKIA/ref=pd_cp_hi_0 Aside from monitoring that AC is present it is a check that all the wiring and extensions were wired correctly. 73, Bob K2TK ex

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-25 Thread Adrian
As far as I know Teflon is a good insulator, capable of high temperatures and pressures. If you say teflon wire, you give it the false interpretation of being a conductor., like the guy that said solder was a poor conductor, really? I did volt drop tests , I have professional crimp sets and

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-25 Thread Adrian
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Adrian Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:41 PM To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED As far as I know Teflon is a good insulator, capable of high temperatures and pressures. If you say teflon wire, you give

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-25 Thread Rick Bates
Apparently, based on the input here, I'm doing it all wrong by crimp and solder. But since I started that, I've not had a failure (back when Molex was king). Most times the actual connection is secured from motion (not vibration) while the tails are allowed to move, if needed. Yes, I use the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-24 Thread R. Kevin Stover
Hook a DMM up to the power pole connectors on the rig and do the load/no-load test to double chack the K3 numbers. Check the load/no- load voltage at the power supply as well. On 6/24/2012 12:06 AM, Lee Buller wrote: Well, the PS is a switcher...Astron ss-30. The voltage on the rig shows

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-24 Thread WM3M
I have had similar problems which ended up being poor connections from the power supply, where crimped connections, like on the power poles are not making good contact. Now I solder all DC connections from power supply, if possible. Also, these poor connections lower the power/amps making it

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread Lee Buller
Recently, I built a new power cable...a shorter cable with automotive spade fuses. The Radio Shack Spade Fuse Holders are defective. Would not seat the fuse properly. Thus, the connection malfunctioned. I will be replacing those soon. Lee - K0WA From:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Glad you found it Lee! Many problems similar to this are caused by a bad crimp job on the Anderson connectors. I would encourage everyone to get the more expensive crimp tools with the right dies for the various amperage connectors used. Soldering is fine too but not needed if the cable is

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread KQ8M
Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:35 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED Glad you found

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread Rick Bates
I am not a fan of Powerpole connectors, but use them for compatibility to other ham gear. I think they're better than Molex (as an example) but they are not mechanically secure enough (no locking tab) without adding an external piece (I tape the crap out of the attached connectors). For high

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Absolutely. I bought a power cable from West Mountain and one of the leads (the red one) just fell out of the crimp connector. So much for trusting the professional. I do all of my crimps now and do not solder any. I use the best crimp tool. Sent from my iPad On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:34 AM, W0MU

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread hawley, charles j jr
A properly done crimp is better electrically than solder. For one thing, solder is not a very good conductor. A proper crimp is actually a weld joining the wire to the terminal. Sent from my iPad On Jun 24, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Rick Bates happymooseph...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a fan of

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Does anyone have actual measurements to indicate that one is *significantly* better than the other? Solder may not be as good a conductor as copper, but we're talking about a fraction of a millimeter of solder covering the entire mating surface of the cable and connector through which the current

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
What does the maritime industry use? Anyone work at Boeing who can tell me why they (I think) crimp instead of solder? I thought I remembered that it's because crimps are stronger over the long-term under vibration. I could be making it all up. I'm just curious if there's a reason or if people

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread hawley, charles j jr
You've hit on why the auto industry uses crimp also (probably because of cost as much as anything too). When a wire is soldered, a bit of the solder tins up the wire strands and vibration or flexing can quickly cause the wire to break and negate the reason we use stranded wire in the first

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread Don Wilhelm
Crimps are good if they are properly done with proper sized terminals and proper crimping tools for that type and size of terminal - there is no one size fits all crimping tool, and I believe there lies the problem with amateurs using crimped terminals - buying the proper crimping tool for

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I agree about the inexpensive crimping tools...possibly not about prohibitively expensive. A small array of adequate crimping tools can cost several hundred dollars which I don't think is too much when you consider the money spent on just one high end transceiver. I think those flat plate

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread Rick Bates
And if one uses silver based solder? Nope I don't and won't until I need to resupply; which will be quite a while from now. Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone keypad, sorry for typos On Jun 24, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote: Does anyone have actual measurements to indicate

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off - SOLVED

2012-06-24 Thread Fred Jensen
I have been told, sometimes by reliable sources, that proper crimping actually pressure welds the contact to the copper wire. Soldering on the other hand heats the copper to around 750F and it then cools fairly fast which hardens it. Then, under vibration, it fatigues and breaks. I've heard

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-23 Thread John_N1JM
Is the power supply voltage dropping too low(below the threshold)? John N1JM -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-just-goes-off-tp7558040p7558041.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Loose connection in the supply line will do that. It only takes a momentary open to shut the K3 down until the POWER button is reset. Do you have a fuse in the supply line? Fuses often fail that way. Even running within their spec, they get warm in use. A defective fuse may open circuit from the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-23 Thread Dale Boresz
Any chance that the adjustable current limit (if you have that) on your power supply is set a bit too low? 73, Dale WA8SRA On 6/23/2012 10:16 PM, Lee Buller wrote: This has not happened to me before Running some FD here on CW for about an hour in an AC room PA 35C FP 31C The rig just

Re: [Elecraft] K3 just goes off

2012-06-23 Thread Lee Buller
Well, the PS is a switcher...Astron ss-30. The voltage on the rig shows about 12.8 on Xmit with about 18.75 amps Nothing is hot. Wires. Connectors. Rig. PS. I am a little perturbed at the voltage drop on the ps. I would thing it would not drop that far, but I am not sure how accurate