Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited

2014-08-03 Thread David Woolley
You need to qualify LMS with for FIR adaptive filters, as least mean square (least squares) has a much longer history in statistics. If I understand it, it is the simple algorithm used in (early) modem equalisation filters, because it is cheap to compute. The problem with it in the context

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited

2014-08-03 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
In the context of the LMS filter for FIR notch filtering and noise cancellation, one common way to find the reference is by a simple delay of the input signal. If the purpose is to separate voice from a sinusoid, then one utilizes the fact that a sinusoid has a long correlation function in time

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-08-01 Thread David Woolley
Whilst summing the inverted NR output doesn't sound logically any different from applying a custom filter, the tactic used by hearing aids (at least Oticon ones) is actually to determine the frequency and phase of the presumed interfering signal (howl round in that case) and add in an inverted

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-08-01 Thread Fred Jensen
I have severe traumatic hearing loss from one night many years ago when I still thought I was bulletproof and immortal and I'm pretty deaf above about 1200 Hz. The Dept of Veterans' Affairs gives me hearing aids, replacing them every 5 or so years [Thank you US Taxpayers, you change my

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited

2014-08-01 Thread wa9fvp
A few years ago I uploaded sound files to the Elecraft/Yahoo news groups. You can find them in the files section and they show a comparison of audio with no notch and with it on. If your interested in some technical stuff, there's a very good tutorial about the LMS algorithm on the National

[Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread wa9fvp
It's been 2 years since there were complaints on this forum about the K3 auto-notch. Apparently it was never fixed. The other day I was working a Ham in Tel Aviv when a carrier came on and covered his signal. The Auto notch worked well but the guys voice was very distorted. To me that's

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread Bill W2BLC
I completely agree - the K3 is very lacking with their auto-notch. It requires fiddling with the AGC menus to force it to function without ruining the fidelity of a SSB signal. The NR system is very complex with many settings - none of which I have found to be very helpful - certainly no

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread Tim Tucker
I agree with the majority of your assessment. I also brought up the Auto notch issue several years ago and haven't seen much, if any improvement. As a result, I nearly always just use manual notch. I also have the same complaint with the way the NR in the K3 works. The KX3 implementation is

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread David Cole
Hello, I find I must also agree with the complaints regarding notching... I just cam from a Icom 756 P3, and the notching was far superior to the K3. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see;

[Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread Johnny Siu
is still a good contesting machine at desktop size, hence I still keep my K3. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ David Cole d...@nk7z.net 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2014年08月1日 (週五) 6:12 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited. Hello, I find I must also

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread Gary Gregory
is still a good contesting machine at desktop size, hence I still keep my K3. 73 Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ David Cole d...@nk7z.net 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2014年08月1日 (週五) 6:12 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited. Hello, I find I must also

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread Fred Jensen
I rarely use the manual notch on CW, I've had other rigs with notch filters, and I rarely used them either ... it seems that the filter in my head is enough. I'm not on SSB very much [compromised hearing, not mode-aversion], and I've occasionally used the auto-notch on SSB when in

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread John_N1JM
The trouble with the K3 notch is that it is outside the agc loop(audio notch) unlike the Icom radio. It may notch out the tone but not the carrier. A huge signal will still swamp the receiver. You will get arguments that this is better on receiver imd performance but I think I could live with

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN
The Icom’s manual notch is inside the AGC loop, but not the auto notch. The early (Version 1) Orion firmware had the auto notch inside the AGC loop, and it was one of the many great features of that radio. In AM mode, you could punch in audo-notch and it would remove the carrier to let just

Re: [Elecraft] Auto Notch Revisited.

2014-07-31 Thread wa9fvp
A feature that we added to the Hamblaster was something I called a Filter Freeze button. It was something I suggested and turned out to be very affective. It wasn't really physical a button. It was actually an on screen control that passed a parameter to the Hamblaster telling the LMS algorithm