I broke down earlier this year and sold my loaded Altair 8800 on eBay.
64k static RAM, tape interface (had a Tarbell disk interface but sold it
years ago), PROM burner, parallel interface card. Used it to develop a ham
radio repeater controller in 1980, 32 parallel line signals drove op amps,
Yes! Dr. DX is in my top 5 list of all-time great software.
Mike NF4L
On May 28, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Randy Farmer w...@tx.rr.com wrote:
And does anybody remember the Doctor DX cartridge for the Commodore 64 from
AEA? That was an amazing piece of work. I used one to train for a trip to J6
for
My first MS-DOS, actually PC-DOS, machine was IBM Convertible, the first IBM
laptop machine, with 2 2DD 3.5 FDD drives and LCD display without backlight.
I bought the machine when I was in US for my business trip. I worked with it
when I was out of office.
The machine was actually made by a
Neither Gates or Allen had bupkus to do with producing PC-DOS.
They bought it from Seattle Computer Products in 1981 and modified it to
suit IBM.
They were forced to purchase something off the shelf because they were
way behind producing their own.
The name PC-DOS came from IBM who licensed
Folks - lets end this OT thread at this time. Its a little too far afield from
our regular list content and is overloading the in-boxes of a large number of
Elecraft readers.
36 posts in a 24 hour period on a Non-Elecraft topic is -way- over the limit.
Please self limit your postings to OT
Kind of surprised in the longevity of this topic. But then I guess a
lot of us started out in the stone age!
First computer (1963) used no electricity as was made by Post and had
a bamboo slide (sliderule, of course). Still have it!
My first exposure (1965) was in college taking a Fortran
: [Elecraft] Computers in the Stone Age
Someone wrote:
Desktop computers did not come into being until the advent of the IBM PC in
the 1980s.
Nah. Heathkit H89 came out in 1979. “All-in-One” desktop computer. Z-80
processor. CP/M OS addressed 64 KB and used 39 kb of that total. two 5” floppy
I bought MBasic on a hot pink paper tape directly from Mr. Gates - i happened
to bump into him at one of the first 4 computer stores on the west coast
1975 or 1976 ... It cost all of $12.00. Loading it took a very steady hand and
about 10-15 minutes of manually pulling through a little
One of the interesting pieces of that history, from a retail consumer
user's (layman's) point of view, is that the Apple II (I owned a II+ in
the late 1970s) used MS-DOS as its operating system before Apple developed
its own. As I recall, the OS was not resident in the early hardware - to
use it
Definitely OT, but interesting!
No, MS-DOS (Microsoft) did not run on the Apple II. DOS (Disk Operating
System) did...
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_DOS
to refresh your memory...
I had the Apple 1 (PC Board keyboard), An Altair 8800 (with a teletype
for I/O), and
a 1st-gen IBM PC
Computers in the Stone Age: I wonder what Fred Flintstone's computer
looked like? :=)
The IBM PC, which I bought in 1982 plus or minus a couple of years,
cost me $5,000 in the dollars of the day.
It's interesting that the latest, greatest, bleeding-edge PC always
seems to cost about
, IDXG, ADXG, RRC #933,
K3-P3-KPA500-KAT500 Addict, Maui
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Edward
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:52 AM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Computers in the Stone Age
One
my apple II, which I still have..
loaded the os from a cassette tape ( still have that also)
the floppy drives came later.
I sold for a company called Mountain Computer...
that had a 5M 1200$ hard drive add on for the apple II and the IBM PC
(it had no hard drive till the XT) still might
Apple I?? Nice! I had an Imsai 8080 a Lisa 2...
Maybe he's remembering running DR-DOS on the Apple II? Required a Z80
card. hi
73,
Josh W6XU
P.S. Sorry, waaay OT.
On 5/28/2014 10:13 AM, Gerry Hull wrote:
Definitely OT, but interesting!
No, MS-DOS (Microsoft) did not run on the Apple II.
I believe Fred Flintstone's computer also used quite a bit of silicon
and other minerals.
Eric
On Wed, May 28, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:
Computers in the Stone Age: I wonder what Fred Flintstone's computer
looked like? :=)
The IBM PC, which I bought in 1982 plus or minus a
My first computer was a Sol-20 (1977), with an 8080 and 16K of RAM. There
was a skeletal OS in ROM, but you could load a bigger OS and/or Basic from
cassette. Later, I got floppy drives and North Star Basic, and still later
8 floppies and the CP/M OS. I wrote a machine-language driver to relocate
Ted I would argue e-mail and the Internet still are and always have been
separate systems. One is a network and the other an application. It is well
known that e-mail systems were around a long time before the Internet became
common. There was a system called Fidonet that used all kinds of
The memory on my Altair 8800, 8k of dynamic ram, cost $800. That's 10 cents
a byte.
Do the math - my 16gig iPhone would cost an awful lot at 10 cents a byte.
Monty K2DLJ
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On 14-05-28 02:22 PM, MontyS wrote:
The memory on my Altair 8800, 8k of dynamic ram, cost $800. That's 10 cents
a byte.
The kit you could buy, announced on the cover of Popular Electronics where
it said save over $1000, was around $400, IIRC. An early BYTE magazine I
contained an ad for a
Someone wrote:
Desktop computers did not come into being until the advent of the IBM
PC in the 1980s.
(Among?) The first desktop computers were the S-100 bus based machines.
First, the Altair 8800 announced on the cover of Popular Electronics
magazine in January 1976, and its later popular
Ok, here goes... I remember in 1982 buying a 2k memory add on module for my
Telephonix desktop computer for $2200.00. I bought a loaded XT in 1985 for
$11,700 it had 2 10 meg hard drives, and something called a 370 option, which
allowed me to port my mainframe IBM object code from my radar
I started on the AN/FSQ7
64,000 tubes
512k of actual core memory -- 33 bit words
drums for buffers
And, we had 2 of these... system A and system B
air conditioners that could make 20 tons of ice in a day.
We called it Norad and it was 600ft underground in VE3 land. I worked for
IBM at the
, WB4JFI
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Someone wrote:
Desktop computers did not come into being until the advent of the IBM
PC in the 1980s.
(Among?) The first
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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:05:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Computers in the Stone Age
I still have a working IMSAI 8800 with three SA-800 drives and an H19
terminal. I can boot
to
play with on the later C-64. It was not the full 64K but LOTS more than the
VIC.
73, Charlie k3ICH
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Someone
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH pin...@erols.com wrote:
Don't forget how revolutionary the Commodore VIC-20 was...
=
And the somewhat similar Atari 880. I bought an 880 for my kids, along with
some games. One of the games had a copy-protected disk. My younger son,
Someone wrote:
Desktop computers did not come into being until the advent of the IBM PC in
the 1980s.
Nah. Heathkit H89 came out in 1979. “All-in-One” desktop computer. Z-80
processor. CP/M OS addressed 64 KB and used 39 kb of that total. two 5” floppy
drives (dual sided 800k) as an
, WB4JFI
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From: Lewis Phelps
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:59 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Computers in the Stone Age
Someone wrote:
Desktop computers did not come into being until the advent of the IBM PC
in the 1980s.
Nah
I know this thread is going to get tossed soon, but I'll throw this one
in, possibly under the wire. In 1965, we had two AN/FST-2 computers at
our radar site. Look that one up on Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_AN/FST-2_Coordinate_Data_Transmitting_Set
Gary
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http://ag0n.net
Besides the relay-based Mark 1, the first electronic computer I programmed
was a Univac 1. Its memory consisted of 100 10-foot long acoustic delay
lines, each capable of storing 10 characters - don't remember what the
encoding was. You could walk into the main frame. Electronics was vacuum
And does anybody remember the Doctor DX cartridge for the Commodore 64
from AEA? That was an amazing piece of work. I used one to train for a
trip to J6 for CQWW CW in 1991.
73...
Randy, W8FN
On 5/28/2014 2:44 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
Don't forget how revolutionary the Commodore VIC-20 was
of lights
out cold tube filament checks.
73,
Rick, W7LKG
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AG0N-3055
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 14:25
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Computers in the Stone Age
I know this thread is going to get
Enough of these pointless operating systems. You should be running figFORTH on
PHIMON like I do on my 1976 Digital Group Z-80 (32MB, dual PHI-decks) :) :)
Grant NQ5T
On May 28, 2014, at 2:05 PM, wb4...@knology.net wrote:
I still have a working IMSAI 8800 with three SA-800 drives and an
the boxes! And it still works!
Dan Allen
KB4ZVM
On Wed, 5/28/14, Lewis Phelps l...@n6lew.us wrote:
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Computers in the Stone Age
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 4:59 PM
I was off by a year. It was the January 1975 issue of PE that had the Altair
8800 on the cover.
On 14-05-28 09:32 PM, Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz) wrote:
The 6800 systems did not use the s-100 bus... the s-100 was a very poorly
designed bus that was wrapped around the 8080 chip, and not general
On Wed, 5/28/14, Lewis Phelps l...@n6lew.us wrote:
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Computers in the Stone Age
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2014, 4:59 PM
Someone wrote:
Desktop computers did not come into being until the
advent
Yes, And I still have it with a couple of C64's. I also had it copied to a
floppy that would run on it with the Commodore external floppy drive. My friend
Tom, K2TA (SK) had it running on a PC with an emulator program.
Was a great program a lot of fun and training aid. Was pretty
No your history is not correct. The apple II was available by at least '78
using apple DOS. A few years later MSDOS was created out of desperation by MS
when IBM ( for the upcoming IBM PC) wouldn't buy their languages ( MS' only
product) unless it came with an operating system, something MS
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Jack Brindle jackbrin...@me.com wrote:
... the MITS facility in New Mexico...
I bought a copy of Micro-Soft Basic ($400!) and called the New Mexico
number to get some help on a new function in one of the subsequent
releases. They had no help desk;
Finally, some sanity in this thread! I had colorFORTH on a TRS-80 Color
Computer (chiclets keyboard). Wrote a RTTY send/receive program during
evenings in the hotel over a 3 day weekend exhibiting at a motorcycle
show in Cincinnati as a way to learn FORTH. When I hear the Linux
fanboys
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