Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-13 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Ron AC7AC wrote: Crafts stores that sell supplies for those making stained glass windows generally carry narrow rolls of copper strip with adhesive on one side. It seems to me that would make a nice grounding strip. Solder a 1 meg resistor at one end with a wire to ground.

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-13 Thread NZ0T
FWIW I have used the Radio Shack mat and wrist strap to build my K2/100 and KAT100 along with my K3/100 with no problems. 73, Bill NZ0T Bill W4ZV wrote: Missouri Guy, N0TT wrote: For temporary use what would be wrong with, say taking some aluminum foil, and gluing it to

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-13 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
David Woolley wrote: I believe the silvered ones do work like mats. As people seem to be under the impression that metalised bags are highly conductive, I measured one, and it comes out to be about 4 MOhm/square, which is not very conductive by my standards. In fact, within the

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-13 Thread Don Ehrlich
) for...@david-woolley.me.uk To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 08:40 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? David Woolley wrote: I believe the silvered ones do work like mats. As people seem to be under the impression that metalised bags

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-13 Thread Gary Smith
So many good idears regarding the mat. I've decided to go with bought last night, the mat from Radio Shack. I doubt there'd be much likelihood of problem as I've never fried anything in computer assembly since I first assembled a Heathkit H8 (which I used as a bulletin board back in 78) but

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:49 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? So many good idears regarding the mat. I've decided to go with bought last night, the mat from Radio Shack. I doubt there'd be much

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? [End of Thread]

2008-12-13 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Lots of good posts, but its time to end this -huge- thread ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator _..._ -Original Message- From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz Date: Saturday, Dec 13, 2008 10:24 am Subject: RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? To: Elecraft

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Gary Smith
Thanks for the suggestion of Radio Shack. I really hadn't thought of them. They and Lafayette Electronics used to be such a great source of so many components, walls of stuff but much less so today. As reviewing the assembly PDF in advance shows, I will be best advised to have one during

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Don Nelson
Gary Smith wrote: My new K3 is on it's way. I have anti-static material that my motherboard came in but that's not enough to work on be static free. Where can I easily quickly get an anti-static mat and grounded wrist strap? Thanks1 Gary KA1J

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry Flanders
At 07:59 AM 12/12/2008, Don Nelson wrote: The K3 kit has two sub assemblies that come in large conducting plastic bags. I used these bags for an antistatic mat. I put these bags down on the work bench overlapping to provide a good conducting surface. If you want you can cut open two sides of

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Matt Palmer
A ESD bag and a mat are 2 different animals, a ESD bag (silver) creates a faraday shield around the object protecting it from esd (think tinfoil) an esd mat is a relatively high Z conductor designed to bleed off charge as to avoid arcing (think rub feet on carpet and touch doornob.) there are also

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
They really are static dissipating mats. They intentionally have a very high resistance to avoid any significant current flowing through them - much higher than a common DMM can indicate. Although all of us have seen the sparks that can be produced by static electricity we generate by moving

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Alan Bloom
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 21:45, Dr. James C. Garland wrote: I didn't find a specification on the electrode size, but in the photo of a popular tester they look to be maybe 3 or 4 inches in diameter. For my test, the electrodes were two saucepans, each about 7 inches in diameter and

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Alan Bloom
:=) On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 23:29, Jon KÃ¥re Hellan wrote: Dr. James C. Garland wrote: One of the interesting properties of two-dimensional conductors is that the measured resistance is independent of the spacing between the probes. In other words, one will get the same measurement on an

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread michael taylor
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Gary Smith g...@doctorgary.net wrote: My new K3 is on it's way. I have anti-static material that my motherboard came in but that's not enough to work on be static free. I purchased mine from Jameco for less than $25 combined. generic Anti-Static mat

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Bill Johnson
Thanks for the ideas! I have a long metal ruler, but even better yet, a thinner strip of copper that I can glue to the edge of my desk for discharging through a resistor. 73, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods -Original Message- Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
-Original Message- Thanks for the ideas! I have a long metal ruler, but even better yet, a thinner strip of copper that I can glue to the edge of my desk for discharging through a resistor. 73, Bill K9YEQ I thought Vic had a bonza idea too! Crafts stores

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Missouri Guy
A ESD bag and a mat are 2 different animals. Right on that. I haven't done this, but here's some info: I *think* there was a Hints and Kinks article in QST quite awhile ago where a guy made a mat using some Masonite (tempered hardboard, etc) and a quantity of India Ink. He said (as I

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Bill W4ZV
Missouri Guy, N0TT wrote: For temporary use what would be wrong with, say taking some aluminum foil, and gluing it to whatever and grounding the aluminum via a megohm resistor? Nothing at all. I've build KD1JV's ATS-2, ATS-3 (both are SMD), one K2, three K3s and numerous other

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
Matt Palmer wrote: A ESD bag and a mat are 2 different animals, a ESD bag (silver) creates a faraday shield around the object protecting it from esd There are two types of ESD bag, and I think that Elecraft use the pink ones, which are very high resistance and do not generate a charge with

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread W7RY
: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? A ESD bag and a mat are 2 different animals. Right on that. I haven't done this, but here's some info: I *think* there was a Hints and Kinks article in QST quite awhile ago where a guy made a mat using some Masonite

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Missouri Guy Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:48 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? I haven't done this, but here's some info: I

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-12 Thread Don Wilhelm
-boun...@mailman.qth.net] *On Behalf Of *Missouri Guy *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2008 4:48 PM *To:* Elecraft@mailman.qth.net *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? I haven't done this, but here's some info: I *think* there was a Hints and Kinks article in QST

[Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-11 Thread Gary Smith
My new K3 is on it's way. I have anti-static material that my motherboard came in but that's not enough to work on be static free. Where can I easily quickly get an anti-static mat and grounded wrist strap? Thanks1 Gary KA1J ___ Elecraft mailing

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-11 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Radio Shack. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:01 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? My

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-11 Thread Alan Bloom
: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:01 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat? My new K3 is on it's way. I have anti-static material

RE: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-11 Thread Dr. James C. Garland
I didn't find a specification on the electrode size, but in the photo of a popular tester they look to be maybe 3 or 4 inches in diameter. For my test, the electrodes were two saucepans, each about 7 inches in diameter and weighted with 5 pounds When measuring the resistance of a

Re: [Elecraft] easy source of static dissipating work mat?

2008-12-11 Thread Jon Kåre Hellan
Dr. James C. Garland wrote: One of the interesting properties of two-dimensional conductors is that the measured resistance is independent of the spacing between the probes. In other words, one will get the same measurement on an ohmmeter if the probes are one centimeter apart as if they are one