At 01:09 PM 6/23/2008, Stéphane Rouillon wrote:
After a nice discussion about keeping cool,
usually a great idea if one can manage it. On the
other hand, sometimes getting a little hot can get things done.
So now can you acknoledge that IRV is better than FPTP ?
I can accpet IRV being worst
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:19 PM
But, in the United States, where I live, IRV
isn't replacing pure FPTP. It's replacing Top Two
Runoff (TTR). And it is pretty clear to me that
TTR is superior in just about every way,
I suspect all such judgements must in the end be
At 01:51 PM 6/24/2008, Chris Benham wrote:
- Original Message
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No. That fight is over the Democratic Party nomination and
endorsement. It means that the whole apparatus of the Democratic
Party is devoted to one candidate, which is, of course,
At 02:45 PM 6/24/2008, Juho wrote:
On Jun 24, 2008, at 3:10 , Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Or if A and B are the strongest candidates then maybe
strategically A=10, B=0, C=0.
In Approval the voter might vote A=1,
B=0, C=0. Or if B and C are the strongest candidates then maybe A=1,
B=1, C=0.
On Jun 26, 2008, at 0:54 , Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Note that the utilities of B and C were 123 and 99. I didn't anchor
the scale in any way but numbers around 100 could still be above
average politician.
Above average among what sample? Certainly not this one!
The sample was the
- Original Message
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To: Chris Benham [EMAIL PROTECTED]; EM election-methods@lists.electorama.com
Sent: Tuesday, 24 June, 2008 10:01:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting (Chris Benham)
At 12:55 AM 6/23/2008
At 12:55 AM 6/23/2008, Chris Benham wrote:
Kathy,
Imagine that Approval is used to elect the US President and
as in the current campaign the Republicans are fielding one
candidate, McCain. Does that mean that the big fight for the
Democrat nomination between Clinton and Obama we've just
At 12:55 AM 6/23/2008, Chris Benham wrote:
Kathy,
Imagine that Approval is used to elect the US President and
as in the current campaign the Republicans are fielding one
candidate, McCain. Does that mean that the big fight for the
Democrat nomination between Clinton and Obama we've just
Kathy,
I choose my words carefully.
You managed to invent a really bad voting method (asking voters for
ratings and then converting their ratings to approval/disapproval by
your new voting method) and applied your method of conversions to your
own example, but it has nothing to do with either
] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting (Chris
Benham)
Chris,
You example clearly does not provide an example of approval voting
being subjected to the spoiler effect.
You managed to invent a really bad voting method (asking voters for
ratings and then converting their ratings to approval/disapproval
Kathy Dopp Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:53 AM
I try not to waste time
on stupid ideas and I've already wasted over 6 weeks of this
year considering IRV which is an incredibly stupid voting
method at first glance after 15 minutes of study IMO.
So what does this tell us about the many
Chris,
This is what you are now claiming is a fairness condition:
... that to be fair, the winner of an election must not change with
the introduction of a new nonwinning candidate, even if the voters
change their votes for the prior (old) candidates.
As a voter, I would object to this fairness
On Jun 22, 2008, at 22:33 , Kathy Dopp wrote:
In fact, I would oppose any voting method which did not violate
Chris' new condition that even when voters change their votes, the
winner should stay the same.
Although Chris' voters changed their vote they didn't change their
opinions between
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To: Terry Bouricius [EMAIL PROTECTED];
election-methods@lists.electorama.com
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Election-Methods] RELEASE: Instant Runoff Voting (Chris
Benham)
At 12:35 PM 6/22/2008, Terry Bouricius wrote:
Ms. Dopp has requested a clearer example of how
Tells us little since this is one person's opinion.
IRV lets voters state their desires more completely than Plurality and is
often better at picking a winner - but sometimes fails badly, so:
Not too bad when you do not know of better.
I join Kathy in wantng to move to better.
DWK
On Sun,
At 01:17 PM 6/22/2008, James Gilmour wrote:
Kathy Dopp Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:53 AM
I try not to waste time
on stupid ideas and I've already wasted over 6 weeks of this
year considering IRV which is an incredibly stupid voting
method at first glance after 15 minutes of study IMO.
So
Chris,
You example clearly does not provide an example of approval voting
being subjected to the spoiler effect.
You managed to invent a really bad voting method (asking voters for
ratings and then converting their ratings to approval/disapproval by
your new voting method) and applied your
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