Re: [BUG] Agenda no longer works for timestamps inside properties drawer [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-24-g668205 @ /home/ignacio/repos/emacs/lisp/org/)]

2022-03-23 Thread Samuel Wales
* x2 > Could you elaborate? Maybe provide an example. idk if this answers your q or not. it rambles. for context some goals include orthogonality, satisfying strong differing views/needs with little complexity, and having simple rules or transparency for knowing behavior e.g. what shows up i

Re: [RFC] DOCT: Declarative Org Capture Templates (easier template syntax)

2022-03-23 Thread No Wayman
Nicolas Goaziou writes: The fact that we need a tool like "doct" to write templates in a compact form may be a sign that the data type is not good enough. Actually it sounds like a failure somehow. Agreed. That's why I wrote doct in the first place. As others have expressed, there's far t

[BUG] C-c C-o on headline evaluates source code blocks with links inside [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-25-gaf6f12 @ /home/ignacio/repos/emacs/lisp/org/)]

2022-03-23 Thread Ignacio Casso
Hello, The recent threads about timestamps inside property drawers, which mentioned the issue of timestamps and links being recognized in contexts where they should not, had me experimenting a bit, and I found the following bug (point 3) which was probably introduced by some change regarding those

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Max Nikulin writes: > Nicolas, concerning a new thread, I have an impression that you are > busy with over activities since you are participating in discussions > not so frequently. So I am unsure at which moment it is appropriate to > raise such question that otherwise may just be buried

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 1:19 PM Max Nikulin wrote: > My point was that it should not be unconsciously ignored. Since the > message was long enough, this particular complain may remain unnoticed. > I can not say that I fully agree with your decision, but I respect it. I > had no intention to upset

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 6:04 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:27 PM Nicolas Goaziou > > wrote: > > >> I can add it, but "full" is already the name of a variant, so > >> [cite/full: ...] and [cite/style/full: ...] would mean differe

Re: Can't cite multiple sources with biblatex, autocites & autopunct

2022-03-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Zac E writes: > Thank you for your response! I have included a minimal example below. > I am running Emacs 27.2 and Org-mode 9.6. I have removed the relax macro from the output. Does it fix your issue? > ORG SOURCE > > #+latex_class: article > #+latex_header: \usepackage[autopunct,sty

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, "Bruce D'Arcus" writes: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:27 PM Nicolas Goaziou > wrote: >> I can add it, but "full" is already the name of a variant, so >> [cite/full: ...] and [cite/style/full: ...] would mean different things. >> Is this a problem, or do you think of a better style name?

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:27 PM Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > > Hello, > > Dominik Schrempf writes: > > > (add-to-list ’org-cite-biblatex-styles ’(“full” nil “fullcite” nil nil)) > > > > (This or something similar should be added upstream). > > I can add it, but "full" is already the name of a variant

Re: [RFC] DOCT: Declarative Org Capture Templates (easier template syntax)

2022-03-23 Thread Tim Cross
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> Nicolas Goaziou writes: >> >>> I think there should be a direct mapping between Customize interface and >>> values. Adding this macro as a band-aid to simply configuration is not, >>> IMO, a solution. >> >> I think that current customize

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Dominik Schrempf writes: > (add-to-list ’org-cite-biblatex-styles ’(“full” nil “fullcite” nil nil)) > > (This or something similar should be added upstream). I can add it, but "full" is already the name of a variant, so [cite/full: ...] and [cite/style/full: ...] would mean different thi

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, John Kitchin writes: > I do not think it is productive for the community to say or consider it > is a sad situation. Many good things have emerged from these > discussions, even if it is not yet consensus on a solution. It is a > complex problem, with many years of effort by many people o

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/03/2022 21:39, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: Finding and analyzing existing papers again raises the question of which ones; citation practices look VERY different in chemistry than in art history or sociology. It also raises the question of who will do this work, and whether it's the most efficient

Re: [RFC] DOCT: Declarative Org Capture Templates (easier template syntax)

2022-03-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Ihor Radchenko writes: > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > >> I think there should be a direct mapping between Customize interface and >> values. Adding this macro as a band-aid to simply configuration is not, >> IMO, a solution. > > I think that current customize interface for org-capture-templ

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/03/2022 06:52, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Max Nikulin writes: Another point is more serious. Besides citations there are internal cross-references. Org supports them but only in a rudimentary form. Actually cross-references are similar to citations in the sense that they can have style, prefi

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Wednesday, 23 Mar 2022 at 10:39, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > Those mappings merely generalize existing systems (bibtex, natbib, > biblatex, csl) used by millions of users (if you include Zotero, > etc.), and already incorporate the feedback of those users. I just want to jump in to say that the new

Re: [RFC] DOCT: Declarative Org Capture Templates (easier template syntax)

2022-03-23 Thread João Pedro de Amorim Paula
On 20 March 2022 18:19, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Also, if anyone agrees with my arguments below, do not stay silent and > drop a "+1" email below. Otherwise, this whole thing will be stalled. > There is no point discussing technical aspects, if there is no interest. It isn't really something that

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 8:52 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 23/03/2022 00:20, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:42 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > >> > >> John Kitchin, this thread, Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400. > >> https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c@andrew.cmu.edu: > >> > >>> I d

Re: Timestamp parsing inside node properties and other contexts out of org-element-object-restrictions (was: [BUG] Agenda no longer works for timestamps inside properties drawer [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-

2022-03-23 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Tim Cross writes: > I think we have to be very wary here. I can see any changes here causing > lots of breakage for people. I know for my own use case, I use > timestamps a lot in property draws and various source blocks. I never > want any of them showing up in my agenda. FYI, the default agend

Re: Timestamp parsing inside node properties and other contexts out of org-element-object-restrictions

2022-03-23 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> So, depending on the current command, Org may on may not treat objects >> matching org-ts-regexp-both as timestamps. >> >> This situation complicates syntax and makes org-element unreliable when >> dealing with Org buffers. > > This is orthog

Re: [BUG] Agenda no longer works for timestamps inside properties drawer [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-24-g668205 @ /home/ignacio/repos/emacs/lisp/org/)]

2022-03-23 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Samuel Wales writes: > your idea of expanding to other date-like things is an interesting > idea, and so is making an analogy with log mode. > > another possibility is to satisfy the preferences users have expressed > [and those with n>1 needs] using a single variable that contains the > contexts

Re: citations: org-cite vs org-ref 3.0

2022-03-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/03/2022 00:20, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 10:42 AM Max Nikulin wrote: John Kitchin, this thread, Sun, 20 Mar 2022 20:31:29 -0400. https://list.orgmode.org/m2sfrc149c@andrew.cmu.edu: I don't know the equivalent of \citenum in CSL. Right; so John or someone else sh

Re: [BUG] Agenda no longer works for timestamps inside properties drawer [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-24-g668205 @ /home/ignacio/repos/emacs/lisp/org/)]

2022-03-23 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Tim Cross writes: > Perhaps I simply don't understand, but I fail to see the need for adding > such functionality. Org files are plain text and you can just use the > build-in or any of the add-on search tools to search for anything, > including timestamps or things which may look like timestamps

Re: [PATCH] Re: [BUG] Hard-coded begin/end in org-insert-structure-template [9.5.2 (release_9.5.2-24-g668205 @ /Users/salutis/src/emacs/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/org/)]

2022-03-23 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Rudolf Adamkovič writes: >> +with \"#+begin_\" and \"#+end_\" added automatically. If the block >> +type is written using upper case letter, \"#+BEGIN_\" and \"#+END_\" >> +are added instead. > > FYI: A typo in "letter" (expected "letters") > > (We could also simplify to: "if the block type cons

Re: Problem with org-babel and geiser

2022-03-23 Thread Neil Jerram
Hi Rudy, On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 at 17:07, Rudolf Adamkovič wrote: > > Bob Heffernan writes: > > > I did as you described and the patched version of ob-scheme.el *does* > > seem to solve the problem. > > Today, I needed to use Scheme with Org (9.5.2-24-g668205), and I found > that the #+RESULTS: alw

#2 Org mode profiling meetup on Sat, Mar 26 (was: Org mode profiling meetup on Sat, Feb 26 (was: profiling latency in large org-mode buffers (under both main & org-fold feature)))

2022-03-23 Thread Ihor Radchenko
Dear all, There were several people who came to the last meetup looking for information about debugging Org mode. The last meetup was rather unhelpful in this regard since we dove into a specific use-case. I plan to try once more providing a more general introduction to Org (and Emacs) debugging.

Re: [PATCH] Re: [BUG] org-cite: 10 second hang opening a ~4k org file with 10MB bibtex library

2022-03-23 Thread Ihor Radchenko
psychosis writes: > Ok, for me it does not seem to work as intended. The old cite-key turns > immediately red if and if only I insert the new cite-key on the same > line. For it to turn red if I insert it on other lines, I have to kill > the buffer and reload it. I used “emacs -Q” with the att