Re: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem

2023-02-03 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Max Nikulin writes: > >> On 27/12/2022 16:47, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >>> Can you then try to test using Emacs 28? >>> The main question if whether this has been fixed in newer Emacs releases >>> or it is also something to do with OS environment. >> >> I see quite the sa

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-02-01 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >>> Either I understand you wrong, or you don't know what you are >>> talking about. 2023-03-23 02:30 @Europe/Berlin refers to /two/ >>> points in time, thus it /is/ ambiguous. If you use disambiguating >

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-02-01 Thread Tim Cross
writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 11:12:00PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: >> * Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-31 16:46]: >> > Specifying just @Europe/Berlin is ambiguous around the daylight savings >> > transition. >> >> Sorry, I cannot see practical example why is it amb

Re: lesser-than as open paren

2023-01-31 Thread Tim Cross
Andreas Röhler writes: > Hi, > > when taking notes in plain org-mode, run into trouble for instance with this > scala-snippet: > >   def scalaFiles = >     for { >     file <- filesHere >     if file.getName.endsWith(".scala") >   } yield file > > With cursor on lesser-than sign, get a type-mis

Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda)

2023-01-31 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Greg Minshall writes: > >> just a thought/reminder. there are "semantics" and "encoding". a spec >> like ISO-8601 specifies both. the important thing for org-mode is to >> use an encoding that >> >> 1. is easily parsable/understandable by the mere mortal >> >> 2. al

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-30 Thread Tim Cross
Jean Louis writes: > * Tim Cross [2023-01-29 23:38]: >> Saying that an offset is a fixed value is very different from saying >> that a time zone has a fixed offset. I think this is where your >> confusion is coming from. > > I said neither of those. I never said tha

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-29 Thread Tim Cross
Jean Louis writes: > * Tim Cross [2023-01-28 00:15]: >> > >> >> What kinds of representations would a calendar system capable of >> >> handling timezones require? >> >> >> >> • Instant (fixed) >> >> • This is referring t

Re: UTC or not UTC for timestamps in the past ([FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode)

2023-01-27 Thread Tim Cross
"Thomas S. Dye" writes: > No, I don't think you've missed anything significant. Thanks very much for > your patience > during a discussion that was interesting for me. I learned quite a bit from > you and the > other contributors to the thread and look forward now to learning how Org > mode

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-27 Thread Tim Cross
Jean Louis writes: > * Sterling Hooten [2023-01-27 09:06]: >> Offset >> Constant duration difference between times of two time scales >> (ISO). i.e., a quantity to combine with a time scale to produce >> a wall time. e.g., Nepal uses a +5:45 offset from the UTC time >>

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-27 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > First of all, thanks for the detailed suggestion! > I will need more time to look through the provided links and think about > the ideas. > > I will provide one important consideration you missed in the below comment. > > Sterling Hooten writes: > >> What format and synt

Re: [POLL] Use compat.el in Org?

2023-01-27 Thread Tim Cross
Bastien Guerry writes: > Hi Ihor, > > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> I have recently been contacted by the current compat.el maintainer >> asking if we are willing to adapt compat.el in Org. > > Very nice! > >> WDYT? > > As long as we keep our promise in terms of backward compatibility with > older

Re: Supporting non-free SQL clients in ob-sql (was: [PATCH] ob-sql: Add support for Athena)

2023-01-25 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> 3. There is no requirement to install non-free software to use >> ob-sql.el. The software is fully functional using a free RDMS like >> postgres. > > Yes, but there is requirement to install in order to use ob-sql.

Re: Supporting non-free SQL clients in ob-sql (was: [PATCH] ob-sql: Add support for Athena)

2023-01-25 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> to be very clear, ob-sql is not adding any NEW interface to any external >> program. It is just using the Emacs built-in SQL library (Elisp), which >> has been part of Emacs for a long time (I was using it in late 90s to

Re: Supporting non-free SQL clients in ob-sql (was: [PATCH] ob-sql: Add support for Athena)

2023-01-25 Thread Tim Cross
Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > Would someone please tell me more concretel

Re: UTC or not UTC for timestamps in the past ([FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode)

2023-01-24 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 22/01/2023 14:48, Tim Cross wrote: >> Timestamp for a log >> record I would probably want or one of the >> variants because the most common way I use those types of timestamp is >> in diagnosing problems and comparing revords from various loca

Re: Supporting non-free SQL clients in ob-sql (was: [PATCH] ob-sql: Add support for Athena)

2023-01-23 Thread Tim Cross
I just wanted to provide some additional information which RMS may find informative. Under the hood, ob-sql.el is using the built-in Emacs sql.el library. It is this library which provides the 'support' for various SQL database engines. That support has been part of the sql library since it was ad

Re: UTC or not UTC for timestamps in the past ([FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode)

2023-01-22 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 22/01/2023 04:29, Tim Cross wrote: >> Max Nikulin writes: >>> - UTC is a recommendation for planning when participants are scattered over >>> multiple >>> timezones. >>> - You admit that some timestamps in your files

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-21 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 21/01/2023 06:38, Tim Cross wrote: >> - Use UTC for meetings which are not face-to-face and which involve >>people form different time zones. > > I agree with you that it should considered as first option by whose who are > planning an > e

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-20 Thread Tim Cross
"Thomas S. Dye" writes: > Aloha Max, > > Max Nikulin writes: > >> On 20/01/2023 23:09, Thomas S. Dye wrote: >>> Max Nikulin writes: >>> Now, if Amsterdam's timezone arbitrarily changes its relation to UTC before >>> the >>> conference takes place, >>> then everyone who participates in the confe

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-20 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 20/01/2023 15:17, Tim Cross wrote: >> So far, nobody has shown any reason why using UTC to distinguish the >> case where the times need to be adjusted and local tz when they don't >> won't work a a mechanism that can be used to allow org

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-20 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 20/01/2023 15:11, Tim Cross wrote: >> Max Nikulin writes: >> >>> Tim, I am trying to say that any meeting either face to face or on-line may >>> be associated >>> with arbitrary primary timezone. >> and what you are sayi

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-20 Thread Tim Cross
Daryl Manning writes: > Perhaps a leading question (leading to outrage =p ), but does anybody even > use those anymore? > > I don't believe I've used them at all in 5 years of using org-mode (and if I > did it was most likely because of > some arcane older feature which required them). > > Da

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-20 Thread Tim Cross
"Thomas S. Dye" writes: > Aloha Max, > > Max Nikulin writes: > >> On 20/01/2023 03:09, Tim Cross wrote: >>> To reiterate for the last time, there are 2 clear and different use >>> cases for timestamps associated with meetings. >>> 1. A mee

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-20 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 20/01/2023 12:39, Tim Cross wrote: >> No, I disagree with that statement. That is old thinking based when >> meetings meant face to face meetings. Only meeting which have a specific >> location can have a time zone and even then, it isn't really

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-19 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 20/01/2023 03:09, Tim Cross wrote: >> To reiterate for the last time, there are 2 clear and different use >> cases for timestamps associated with meetings. >> 1. A meeting timestamp for a meeting where all the participants are in >> the

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-19 Thread Tim Cross
"Thomas S. Dye" writes: > Aloha Tim, > > Tim Cross writes: > >> "Thomas S. Dye" writes: >> >>> Aloha Tim, >>> >>>> UTC is a time zone - just one where offset is + >>> >>> UTC is absolute time.

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-19 Thread Tim Cross
"Thomas S. Dye" writes: > Aloha Tim, > >> UTC is a time zone - just one where offset is + > > UTC is absolute time. It lacks the spatial component that defines a time > zone. > Really? I would have thought the prime meridian was the spacial component for UTC? I thought the full long time z

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-19 Thread Tim Cross
Jean Louis writes: > * Tim Cross [2023-01-19 10:48]: >> You completely misunderstood the specific issue being discussed. You >> clearly have not been following this specific point being discussed and >> your long reply just confuses matters rather than helps. >>

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-18 Thread Tim Cross
Jean Louis writes: > * Tim Cross [2023-01-19 00:31]: >> The problem is with meeting 2 and the assumption there is a definitive >> timezone for the meeting. >> >> Consider this scenario. I have a meeting with two other people. We are >> all in different time

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-18 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Jean Louis writes: > >> ... >> Should be part of C library to observe those things. > > Sure. My previous proposals are all relying on `encode-time' which uses > time.h from system libraries and utilizing TZDB that is taking care > about all this insanity. > > We, howeve

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-18 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >>> Does it sound good enough? >> >> No, I'm afraid not. How does org distinguish between meeting 1 and >> meeting 2? IN meeting one, when the timezone transitions in/out of >> daylight savings, nothing

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-18 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >>> Could you please elaborate here? >> >> I have some meetings scheduled in my org files which show up in the >> agenda. >> >> Meeting 1 is a reoccurring meeting which happens every 2 weeks. All of

Re: Supporting non-free SQL clients in ob-sql (was: [PATCH] ob-sql: Add support for Athena)

2023-01-17 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Daniel Kraus writes: > >> Tim Cross writes: >> >>> I think you run a high risk of running into GNU policy issues wrt >>> licensing and free software support given this is a cleint for an AWS >>> only database. >&g

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-17 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> It also seems that the solution will need some mechanism (possibly on a >> per time stamp basis) for the user to specify what should happen when >> either the time zone has a daylight savings transition, when the >>

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-17 Thread Tim Cross
Daryl Manning writes: > I'd argue that setting a specific datestamp and time for DST would mean that > you expected to meet at that > specific time and date as per DST. If the clocks changed you'd be out of luck > (that's where I'd argue you'd > use a non-specified timezone for a meeting that

Re: [PATCH] ob-sql: Add support for Athena

2023-01-16 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Daniel Kraus writes: > >> I'm using this patch since a few month that adds support >> for AWS Athena. >> The only thing that's maybe against adding it is that >> `athenacli` (https://github.com/dbcli/athenacli) is not an >> official AWS tool but just a Python script. >>

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-16 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tom Gillespie writes: > > >> I will note that this doesn't address the issue of syntax for >> historical and future dates. For historical dates those almost always >> require significant additional metadata to compensate for things like >> the julian/gregorian calendar s

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-16 Thread Tim Cross
Daryl Manning writes: > I think timezone you're in should be declared globally, surely? And then > defined in the timestamp? > Do you mean globally as in at the OS level or globally in org mode. If the latter, I disagree. The OS has this information and there is no need for org to repeat it (a

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-15 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> Unfortunately, the common abbreviated forms like EST, AEST etc are >> inconsistent here. Some places will have a standard and a daylight >> savings type i.e. AEST and AEDT, while others will have just AEST. TO >> mak

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 15/01/2023 03:30, Tim Cross wrote: >> The UTC time stays the same, but the >> meeting time for me changes twice per year (moving forward/backward an >> hour). > > Meeting time remains the same expressed as local time (15:00), but alternates

Re: Thoughts on this ob language generator

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
George Mauer writes: > I had a need the other day to execute some typescript in an org document. Now > I know that there's an > ob-typescript package but that doesn't quite work the way I want and expects > typescript to be installed > globally (which runs into a variety of versioning issues).

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > to...@tuxteam.de writes: > >>> ... Having an >>> ability to specify time zones manually will already cater needs for a >>> number of users. >> >> Definitely. But the time stamp (with time zone) in itself doesn't >> carry enough context to actually decide that. It's even n

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
to...@tuxteam.de writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 03:05:22PM +, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> writes: >> >> > Now there's still enough work for the applications to do: presentation, >> > parsing, disambiguation, if necessary asking the user for help. Someone >> >

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 14/01/2023 20:50, Tim Cross wrote: >> I"m sorry, but I don't follow. The UTC time is the only time whihc is >> not affected by daylight savings transitions, so is the only stable >> metric. All the others are relative to that time but can

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 14/01/2023 20:08, Jean Louis wrote: >> * Max Nikulin [2023-01-14 10:14]: >>> Let's assume <2023-01-15 Sun 09:00 +1> >>> >>> It may be suitable for timestamps in the past, but future is more tricky. >>> There is no problem if you are going to watch Lunar eclipse. However i

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> Daryl mentioned elsewhere in this thread that how hard this feature >> would be depends largely on the available libraries for elisp with >> respect to working with date/time values. Sadly, the available elisp >> li

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 14/01/2023 16:32, Tim Cross wrote: >> If org was to add TZ capabilities to timestamps, the underlying format >> would have to be UTC. > ... >> can change based on various criteria, including political whims >> (e.g. Australia eastern DST

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> I agree this would be a great feature to add. However, after having >> looked at it in some detail, I realise that not only is it not a trivial >> task, it is actually a very large and complex task and will require >

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-14 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 14/01/2023 02:06, Jean Louis wrote: >> This is good for review as related to PostgreSQL database: > > I agree that PostgreSQL is an example of good implementation of time-related > calculations. > >> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Don%27t_Do_This#Don.27t_use_timestamp_

Re: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda

2023-01-13 Thread Tim Cross
Daryl Manning writes: > Following on from thread at https://www.reddit.com/r/orgmode/comments/zrppqw/ > > [First off, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that works on > org-mode. It is a wonder.] > > While I realize a few kicks at this can may have been taken, I wanted to > (re-)propo

Re: OS advice

2023-01-06 Thread Tim Cross
Ypo writes: > Hi > > Orgmode is sometimes desperately slow on my PC: > > Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2100 CPU @ 3.10GHz, 3100 Mhz > > (RAM)4,00 GB > > I am running Windows 10, everything I use works OK, but Orgmode. > > Do you think that if I install a Linux OS, Orgmode would run fast? Any OS >

Re: [TASK] Enhance Worg HTML styling

2023-01-05 Thread Tim Cross
Leo Butler writes: > On Fri, Jan 06 2023, Tim Cross wrote: > >> alain.coch...@unistra.fr writes: >> >>> Tim Cross writes on Thu 5 Jan 2023 09:43: >>> >>> > As a simple example, try increasing the font size and see what >>> > happe

Re: [TASK] Enhance Worg HTML styling (was: [BUG] worg-setup.org is outdated)

2023-01-05 Thread Tim Cross
alain.coch...@unistra.fr writes: > Tim Cross writes on Thu 5 Jan 2023 09:43: > > > As a simple example, try increasing the font size and see what > > happens to the menus. Keep in mind that some users require a very > > large font (for example, I use a 26 or 28 pt fo

Re: [TASK] Enhance Worg HTML styling (was: [BUG] worg-setup.org is outdated)

2023-01-04 Thread Tim Cross
alain.coch...@unistra.fr writes: > Bastien Guerry writes on Wed 4 Jan 2023 11:21: > > > Strong +1 on working on Worg's styling. > > > > The task may be daunting, but we can also tackle it incrementally. > > > > >From memory, orgmode.org/worg is visited by ~30k persons each month, > > th

Re: Intention of verbatim text?

2023-01-04 Thread Tim Cross
writes: > My current solution is to convert ~code~ to code and > =verbatim= to verbatim. > > In that case the user can decide himself how to render them. In my > default CSS I would render the ~code~ in monospace with a light gray > background (different from the whole page background) and =ver

Re: Intention of verbatim text?

2023-01-03 Thread Tim Cross
writes: > Hi, > > in org you can have inline verbatim and code text elements like this. > > Example with =verbatim= and ~code~. > > I would like to understand what "verbatim" really means. What is the > semantic behind it? What content should go in there? > > > I'm aware of the separation o

Re: [BUG] worg-setup.org is outdated

2023-01-02 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> First step is to get a working local copy so that I have something to >> work with. AFter that and a bit of exploring, I should have a better >> understanding and idea how to go forward. > > Hi Tim, > &g

Re: [SECURITY] Arbitrary code evaluation security in Org (was: [PATCH] ob-core: add org-confirm-babel-evaluate-cell custom variable)

2023-01-02 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> P.S. Considering intense discussion around the topic, what about >> reverting my commit from the release? We can then re-consider the whole >> design and apply something more elaborate later. > > I now reverted the discussed commit. > https:

Re: [FR] Present list of errors in separate buffer when running org-export, similar to what org-lint does (was: [Syntax discussion] Should we treat src blocks without LANG as paragraphs?)

2022-12-27 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > As Max proposed, it may be a good idea to extend the concept of org-lint > to export. > > We may unify the LaTeX errors, some errors/warnings potentially signalled > by export backend, and maybe some warnings from org-lint during the > export process. These errors can i

Re: org-persist files in /tmp

2022-12-22 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 22/12/2022 19:34, Ruijie Yu wrote: >> One possible approach to this is to have all org-persist related >> temporary directories into an overall "$TMPDIR/org-persist" directory. > > Predictable name in a "world" writable directory generally is not a good > idea. Multipl

Re: org-persist files in /tmp

2022-12-21 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > "Fraga, Eric" writes: > >> for some reason, I am now getting many (tens) directories of the form >> org-persist-NN in /tmp. These seem to include an index file and a >> cache type sub-directory structure. Why are these there and does >> anything clean them up? >>

Re: Recommended way to work on main without upgrading Org?

2022-12-21 Thread Tim Cross
Karthik Chikmagalur writes: > Hi, > > I'm trying to work on the main branch of Org, with the intent of creating a > patch. > However, I need to continue using Org 9.5 for everyday work in a separate > Emacs session as > I can't have things breaking. Is there a recommended way to run two > s

Re: [PATCH] ob-core: add org-confirm-babel-evaluate-cell custom variable

2022-12-18 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> Based on the information in section 17.13, how do I configure my Emacs >> so that >> >> 1. All the code in the files I wrote just runs and doesn't bother me with >> annoying execute questions. >>

Re: [BUG] Org-9.6 declares compatibility with Emacs-25.1

2022-12-18 Thread Tim Cross
Timothy writes: > Hi Max, > >> Notice emacs-25.1 in the elpa package description: > > Yea, I’m pretty sure this is just an oversight. This should be bumped to 26. > Yep, that would be my assumption as well. Support is for the two previous releases i.e. 27.x and 26.x.

Re: [Syntax discussion] Should we treat src blocks without LANG as paragraphs? (was: [BUG] ox-html does not export captions of source blocks without language)

2022-12-17 Thread Tim Cross
Tom Gillespie writes: > Treating src blocks missing a lang as paragraphs is > incorrect because according to the syntax spec they > are syntactically still blocks (greater or lesser depending > on your inclinations). > > I think the general principle we want to follow here is > that a block (or

Re: Failing to load, showing this 'Symbol's function definition is void: defvar-1'

2022-12-17 Thread Tim Cross
Sharon Kimble writes: > I unfortunately upgraded this morning to emacs-30.0.50, and since then I > can't get into my usual emacs of 29.0.50. > > When I'm loading emacs-29.0.50 from /usr/local/bin/ it is consistently > failing to load > saying "Symbol's function definition is void: defvar-1".

Re: Bug: Function org-heading-components is not resilient [9.4.3 (9.4.3-elpa @ /home/data1/protected/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20201216/)]

2022-12-17 Thread Tim Cross
Jean Louis writes: > * Ihor Radchenko [2022-12-17 12:59]: >> The error looks like you attempted to run `org-heading-components' in >> non-Org buffer. `org-heading-components' behaviour in non-Org buffers is >> undefined. > > OK I can change it for my personal use, however, consider that > func

Re: [PATCH] ob-core: add org-confirm-babel-evaluate-cell custom variable

2022-12-15 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> I do wonder if it would be a good idea to try and document when org will >> evaluate code in org files. This would include not just babel block >> evaluation, but also elisp evaluation in table formulas, block header &

Re: [PATCH] ob-core: add org-confirm-babel-evaluate-cell custom variable

2022-12-15 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 15/12/2022 19:25, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> Max Nikulin writes: >> >>> I would consider reverting the commit causing user prompt for every >>> variable. >> I disagree. If anything, we can set the default value of >> `org-confirm-babel-evaluate-cell' to nil and apply thi

Re: [Syntax discussion] Should we treat src blocks without LANG as paragraphs? (was: [BUG] ox-html does not export captions of source blocks without language)

2022-12-15 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 15/12/2022 16:31, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> The actual parser does allow empty lang in src blocks, setting :lang >> element property to nil. Should we stop doing this and treat such src >> blocks as paragraphs? Or should we allow empty lang and instead adapt >> the expor

Re: org-insert-structure-template

2022-12-12 Thread Tim Cross
Anthony Carrico writes: > I'm trying to remember what the old keybinding was before it got switched to > 'C-c C-,'... IIRC there wasn't one. Previously, a completely different system was used for adding these templates and it was bound to < (or was it >, I cannot remember). The problem w

Re: [MAINTENANCE] Do we have any backwards-compatibility policy for third-party packages?

2022-12-10 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> I guess we are limited by what the packages we rely on support. For >> example, if geiser doesn't support Emacs 26 but org is supposed to, >> there isn't much we can do. We cannot afford to fork geiser and m

Re: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem

2022-12-08 Thread Tim Cross
David Masterson writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> David Masterson writes: >> >>> "Michel Schinz" writes: >>> >>>> Just for the record, I also ran into problems when installing Org 9.6 >>>> using Emacs' package system

Re: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem

2022-12-08 Thread Tim Cross
David Masterson writes: > Adding this to bug #59882 > > "Michel Schinz" writes: > >> Just for the record, I also ran into problems when installing Org 9.6 >> using Emacs' package system on top of an older version that came with >> Emacs. If I tried to install it as usual (M-x list-packages, th

Re: Release 9.6

2022-12-01 Thread Tim Cross
Max Nikulin writes: > On 29/11/2022 13:58, Bastien wrote: >> Last but not least: thanks to Ihor his >> truly amazing work and for being the de facto maintainer. > > I think, Ihor's role in this release is crucial. He spent a lot of time > fixing bugs and > reviewing patches, not to mention the

Re: User

2022-11-23 Thread Tim Cross
Paul Schlesinger writes: > Have been using org mode for more than 10 years and package manager since > emacs 26. When I moved to emacs > 28, the included org package was 9.4x and a nag message to install org from > the elpa repository appeared everytime > an org file is processed. I run ema

Re: [MAINTENANCE] Org orphanage?

2022-11-21 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Dear all, > > This email is inspired by recent request by org-vcard maintainer to > transfer maintenance to someone else: > https://github.com/flexibeast/org-vcard > > As a part of Org project (https://sr.ht/~bzg/org/), we currently have > https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/org-con

Re: [RFC] Re: Headings and Headlines

2022-11-19 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Bastien writes: > >> Ihor Radchenko writes: >> >>> I know for sure >>> that changing `headline' element to `heading' element type will break >>> important packages like org-roam. And there is no good way to work >>> around this. We cannot make symbol aliases in Elisp

Re: [MAINTENANCE] Do we have any backwards-compatibility policy for third-party packages?

2022-11-17 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: >> It might be worthwhile defining what is meant by 3rd party packages. >> >> For example, ob-scheme relying on geiser as a 3rd party package is one >> thing. Org roam is another type of 3rd party package. I think they need >> different approaches. The first is about our

Re: [MAINTENANCE] Do we have any backwards-compatibility policy for third-party packages?

2022-11-16 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Hi, > > Org promises to support the last three Emacs releases. > However, it is less clear what is our policy wrt third-party packages. > > We do need third-party packages, for example, in babel backends. > Sometimes, we have to make changes to the ob-*.el files in orde

Re: [RFC] Re: Headings and Headlines

2022-11-16 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > André A. Gomes writes: > >> The project's documentation refers to headings and headlines as >> synonyms. Relying on a single definition would be beneficial. If I had >> to choose between the two, I'd go with heading. > > I've been looking into changing all the instan

Re: Bug: html-postamble string does not allow space [9.4.4 (release_9.4.4 @ /usr/local/share/emacs/27.2/lisp/org/)]

2022-11-16 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: >> >> This is all an aside to the actual bug, so please don't miss that >> (unless it has been fixed) i.e. a org-html-postamble string with a space >> in it does not work. > > I am confused here. > > The original bug talked specifically about situation like > > #+options:

Re: org-assert-version considered harmful

2022-10-31 Thread Tim Cross
"Cook, Malcolm" writes: > Hello, > > I found this recent thread researching why my strategy for staying abreast > with org head had started failing with invalid-function > "org-assert-version" > > My strategy had been to build org initially with > > ` cd ~/.emacs.d && git clone > https://git.

Re: Org babel API (was: [FR] Display stderr contents after executing shell blocks (even when stdout :results output is requested) (was: Org 9.6-pre and Bash sessions))

2022-10-30 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> For me, this is another symptom of our need to define a clearer model >> for babel processes so that we can get some consistency across the >> board. Such a model would likely also make it easier for people to >> d

Re: Bug: html-postamble string does not allow space [9.4.4 (release_9.4.4 @ /usr/local/share/emacs/27.2/lisp/org/)]

2022-10-30 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> What probably needs clarifying is >> >> 1. mention the string option in the manual > > It is documented in the manual: 13.9.4 HTML preamble and postamble > You snipped out the relevant paragraph I copied from t

Re: Bug: html-postamble string does not allow space [9.4.4 (release_9.4.4 @ /usr/local/share/emacs/27.2/lisp/org/)]

2022-10-30 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> Confirm. >> >> I am able to reproduce this issue with > > I might be missing something, but does > `org-export--parse-option-keyword' even support spaces inside values? > >> I also feel the manua

Re: [FR] Display stderr contents after executing shell blocks (even when stdout :results output is requested) (was: Org 9.6-pre and Bash sessions)

2022-10-30 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Rudolf Adamkovič writes: > >> Ihor Radchenko writes: >> >>> I do not think that it make sense to display that buffer when the code >>> finishes successfully. I can see this kind of behaviour >>> breaking/spamming automated scripts or export---code working in the >>> p

Re: Auto detect ob-clojure backend (was: [PATCH] Fix ob-clojure handling source block variable's value is a org-mode table or list)

2022-10-30 Thread Tim Cross
Daniel Kraus writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> Daniel Kraus writes: >> >>> +(defcustom org-babel-clojure-backend (cond >>> + ((executable-find "bb") 'babashka) >>> + ((executable-find "nbb") 'nbb) >>> +

Re: Error opening an .org file

2022-10-28 Thread Tim Cross
Juan Manuel Macías writes: > Renato Pontefice writes: > >> I’ve edited and commented all the lines of it. And The error >> persist. So (was you told)maybe the error is not of init.el >> But I’m unable to run emacs from termnal. >> How can I do? >> I’m in

Re: bug#58774: 29.0.50; [WISH]: Let us make EWW browse WWW Org files correctly

2022-10-26 Thread Tim Cross
"Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> If necessary, we can introduce a special variable in Org mode that will >> disable all the potential third-party code evaluation, even if user has >> customized Org to execute code without promp

Re: bug#58774: 29.0.50; [WISH]: Let us make EWW browse WWW Org files correctly

2022-10-26 Thread Tim Cross
Stefan Kangas writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> The "problem" with shell links you are describing is a question of >> setting variables and is also disabled by default. >> >> eww-mode, when loading Org page, could simply set >> org-link-shell-confirm-function to its default value. > > Note

Re: [BUG] Undocumented convention for org-time-stamp-custom-formats to be "<...>" (was: time-stamp in DONE tag is not really displayed)

2022-10-25 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >>> I propose to do the following: >>> 1. org-time-stamp-formats and org-time-stamp-custom-formats will be >>>treated as is, unless they contain "<" and ">" and the first and the >

Re: How ro delete DONE attemps

2022-10-25 Thread Tim Cross
Nick Dokos writes: > Renato Pontefice writes: > >> Hi, >> I’m wondering how can I delete, on my .org file, the line that have: >> - an old Timestamp (i.e. if I set a thing to be done today (<2022-10-24 Mon >> 17:26>) >> - a TODO item (always with a past date) <2022-10-24 Mon 17:26> >> >> That

Re: GPL violation related to Org by priprietary app (was: Best android app)

2022-10-25 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Jean Louis writes: > >>> If it is true, could you please provide links to legal basis on from >>> GPL's and Swedish law's points of view? >> >> In my opinion the term "Org Mode" is collective trademark: >> >> Trademark FAQs | USPTO: >> https://www.uspto.gov/learning-an

Re: [BUG] Undocumented convention for org-time-stamp-custom-formats to be "<...>" (was: time-stamp in DONE tag is not really displayed)

2022-10-24 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Uwe Brauer writes: > >> My time-stamps are of the form <2022-10-23 Sun> >> I have an entry like this >> >> - State "DONE" from "WAIT" [2022-10-23 21:06] \\ >> >> >> >> However it is displayed when I use org-toggle-time-stamp-overlays as >> [23.10.%] >> >

Re: Some links in online manual do not work

2022-10-02 Thread Tim Cross
Tim Landscheidt writes: > Hi, > > at https://orgmode.org/manual/HTML-Export.html, the links > for the first five (5) and the last two (2) subsections > work, the links for: > > - "Headlines in HTML export" > (https://orgmode.org/manual/Headlines-in-HTML-export.html) > - "Links in HTML export"

Re: [HELP] Help implementing org-lint/warnings buffer during export (was: Org HTML export accessibility (was: org exported pdf files))

2022-10-02 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Tim Cross writes: > >> From an org-mode perspective, the key things which need to be maintained >> (and which perhaps we could make even easier or possibly have >> 'defaults') is the ability to add the alt attribute to any non-te

Re: [HELP] Fwd: Org format as a new standard source format for GNU manuals

2022-10-01 Thread Tim Cross
Ihor Radchenko writes: > Agree. Let's not go too far yet and focus on extending special blocks > and the inline special block element I propose. These topics (especially > for markup element with less edge cases) pop up on the Org ML from time > to time and worth looking into regardless whether

Re: [HELP] Fwd: Org format as a new standard source format for GNU manuals

2022-09-30 Thread Tim Cross
ustom markup elements. I am > referring to > 1. Ability to create new custom element types programmatically > 2. Ability to define how to :export the custom element types > > Similar to `org-link-set-parameters'. > > Patches and more concrete ideas are welcome! > > Fr

Apology [was: Re: Org HTML export accessibility (was: org exported pdf files))

2022-09-29 Thread Tim Cross
Dear all, I think I owe everyone an apology. I have allowed frustration from another area of life colour my response here and as a result, my tone and assessment was too negative. While it is correct that we cannot use org mode to generate accessible PDFs and that does mean in environments wher

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