Re: [O] [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)
Thomas Koch writes: > I would be happy to help you work out any blockers that hinders you from > releasing the source code. Several people told you that they would be happy > to > sponsor your ongoing work on Orgzly and I would so too. If you think your > code > is not ready yet to be seen by others, don't think so. It will never be ready. > > It would be a shame if all your great work could not be appreciated by a > larger audience. Really people use proprietary lisenses to hide their code quality? I find that hard to belive. Software is never done (at least thats true for free software) if nobody enhances/refactors it anymore there is just no real need for it anymore. So of course you should release early (in a bad state) and often. As long it dont makes the pc of others explode or eats their fs. You get then feedback as return and in this case even some money, at least you get more users for shure. But we did see in the past that some companies used the statement that they wanna open it up as trick to make some people buy it and use it and vendor lockin into it. I dont wanna be a dick or be not constructive, but it becomes harder to belive that you meant what you said about your intentions to release it less day by day. Well I dont care much anymore, had some owncloud / simpletask cloudness solution setup, which was at least good enough to see todo lists on android, but at the moment thats not so much of a priority of me to have at all. But sorry there might be other reasons like no time or something, but hiding bad code is no real reason at best a excuse to not release source code. Sorry I dont buy that. Its just a bit funny people that use emacs will be 90% very sensitive about the lisense/code question. So I cant even imagine that it makes much sense moneywise to make it impossible for 90% of your users to use that software. I get that argument by other software targeted to the avarage user, but in this case its just a loose-loose situation.
Re: [O] [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)
On Thursday 22 January 2015 12:33:12 Neven wrote: > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code > will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... > http://www.orgzly.com/ Hi Neven, I tried Orgzly today on my work phone (which is 100% proprietary anyways). I love it. It is just not really an option for trusting important data to it if it is closed source. Back in December 2015 you planned to release Orgzly as free software in "Q2 2016": https://plus.google.com/112212983680346701286/posts/hGnkkxDsUjT I would be happy to help you work out any blockers that hinders you from releasing the source code. Several people told you that they would be happy to sponsor your ongoing work on Orgzly and I would so too. If you think your code is not ready yet to be seen by others, don't think so. It will never be ready. It would be a shame if all your great work could not be appreciated by a larger audience. We might want to continue this conversation in the google group, but maybe some other orgmode users want to express their ongoing interest in a free software version of Orgzly. Regards, Thomas
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On 2015-01-23, at 03:59, Mike McLean wrote: > Orgzly is non-free software, and people should not install it, or suggest > installing it, or even tell people it exists. I appreciate you telling me what I should not install on my, as they call it, "personal computer", or what I should not tell other people about. (I *would* agree with you, btw, if (a) you added "on this mailing list", as I explained in an earlier email, *or* if (b) installing or using non-free-as-defined-by-FSF software would be something immoral.) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University
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On 2015-01-23, at 10:56, Karl Voit wrote: > I don't like proprietary software. I promote open solutions wherever > I can and accept a more painful living by ignoring comfy proprietary > solutions. +1, the same with me. Although I do use some non-free-as-defined-by-FSF software. (Apparently, to be fully FSF-compliant you shouldn't say "open". Assuming that you *want* to be FSF-compliant, that is;-). BTW: from now on I'm going to use the terms: "free-as-defined-by-FSF" and its negation, because I do not want to borrow terms from an entity whose philosophy I do oppose.) > However, I do like to see (maintained) alternatives of MobileOrg and > I do like to see third party tools using the Org syntax for storing > and managing information. +1 > So: Jose, I like what I see on your web page and please do carry on. Neven, not Jose! > Thanks you for making it clear that your software is not open source > and please keep on doing this. +1 again. > I will probably never use Orgzly by myself because I like open > solutions. I accept that other people might want to have an > easy-to-use closed alternative solution to use Org on their phone. > It's so much better than using Evernote or other cloud-based > solutions. I might want to use Orgzly. (I do use Evernote occasionally, btw; yes, it is terrible.) BTW, one more question: what about all the emails about dropbox-based syncing of Emacs config or Org files? Why didn't they get banned? All are equal, but some are more equal than others? > Thanks for promoting Org! +1! -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University
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On 2015-01-22, at 23:46, Rasmus wrote: > Fine with me! > > Neven, whom I have exchange a couple of private emails with, is free to > distribute his software as he see fit. What I explicitly quoted as being > uncomfortable was the association between his product with *org-mode*. > Note, the tag-line on Neven's site was something like "org-mode for > Android" up until this discussion. Did not know that; sorry for not doing my homework. Of course, calling this "org-mode for Android" or similarly *is* unacceptable, for obvious reasons. > I'm sure everybody is excited that his program is working with the *org > format*! Apparently, not everybody. But not everybody has to, of course. >> Then others come and say some, ekhm, not-extremely-nice things to >> someone who was definitely not trolling or anything like this. > > We should strive to keep the org-list friendly and civilized. That's what I'm saying (see also my response to the Greg's email). >> Let us further assume that he will sell his book in bookstores (it might >> be in ebook form, with or without DRM, or in paper form - never mind, I >> do not know the exact details). Would he be prohibited from mentioning >> his project (which clearly involves a non-free piece of *software*, >> i.e., the LaTeX source file, and promotes the *result* of executing this >> piece of code) on Emacs mailing list? I am very interested in a serious >> answer, and (if it happens to be "no") in explanation how and why the >> situation would be different. > > First, I don't have strong opinions on this. However, as I recall there's > a passage on articles vs software in Free as in Freedom 2.0: > > http://shop.fsf.org/product/free-as-in-freedom-2/ TL;DR, sorry - it is several hundred pages long, and I have a huge backlog of books (technical, non-fiction and fiction). I might add this to the list. > —Rasmus Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University
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On Jan 22, 2015 10:13 PM, "Scott Randby" wrote: > > On 01/22/2015 05:02 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > >> Now the question is: what is the most appropriate place to *inform* >> about his project. If not the Org-mode discussion list, I really don't >> know. (I assume that nobody denies his *right* to license his work >> according to his wishes, of course, for if not, another explanation >> would be that this project doesn't have any right to *exist* in the >> first place.) > > > Since we cannot view the code of this software, then we have no way of determining before we use it if it has any purpose other than its stated purpose. For all we know, it contains some nasty code that takes over your system and deletes all of your files or worse. > > To trust this software because the developer seems to have good intentions is foolish. When I saw the announcement, I interpreted it as saying this: "Gee, here is some neat software I wrote. You can't see the code, but trust me, I'm good. I'll open up part of the code maybe sometime, but for now you can try it out for free. I'm not going to cut you off later and make you pay to continue using this wonderful thing. And no, it doesn't do anything bad like steal information or trash systems. Trust me." No thanks, I say. Promote this somewhere else. > I somewhat get the sentiment, but it *is* on Google Play (granted, beta). How is that different from other [android closed source] apps? I see the announcement as relevant: i.e. "I have an app relevant to org mode and thought I'd let the list devoted to org mode know about it." Just wanted to express a counter-view. I'm a list member without a 100% no closed source policy on my phone (and computer for that matter). John > Scott Randby >
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Greg Troxel writes: > The point here is that the FSF is a charitable nonprofit which promotes > free software. Their servers have usage guidelines: > > https://savannah.gnu.org/register/requirements.php > > Basically, helping Free software to work on non-Free operating systems > is ok, as long as the non-Free OS is not the proprietary target and the sorry, primary target. excess ranting leads to word errors :-) > software works best (or equal) on Free systems.Supporting or > advertising non-Free software is not ok. > > So the opinions of our hosts are pretty clear. pgpScl0Q7rahE.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Marcin Borkowski writes: > On 2015-01-22, at 17:41, Jose E. Marchesi wrote: > >> *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code >> will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop >> reading right about now... >> >> Please stop using the GNU mailing lists to promote proprietary software. > > It might be the case that I do not understand something. > > AFAIR, there was a recent discussion on another GNU mailing list about > usability of Emacs under Windows. (Maybe it was somewhere else, I'm not > sure, then my question is theoretical.) A few people claimed that Emacs > under Windows is fully functional and works well. Would this also be > considered "promoting proprietary software"? The point here is that the FSF is a charitable nonprofit which promotes free software. Their servers have usage guidelines: https://savannah.gnu.org/register/requirements.php Basically, helping Free software to work on non-Free operating systems is ok, as long as the non-Free OS is not the proprietary target and the software works best (or equal) on Free systems.Supporting or advertising non-Free software is not ok. So the opinions of our hosts are pretty clear. pgpFaGdEnh_3C.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > Scott Randby writes: > >> On 01/22/2015 05:02 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> >>> Now the question is: what is the most appropriate place to *inform* >>> about his project. If not the Org-mode discussion list, I really don't >>> know. (I assume that nobody denies his *right* to license his work >>> according to his wishes, of course, for if not, another explanation >>> would be that this project doesn't have any right to *exist* in the >>> first place.) >> >> Since we cannot view the code of this software, then we have no way of >> determining before we use it if it has any purpose other than its >> stated purpose. For all we know, it contains some nasty code that >> takes over your system and deletes all of your files or worse. >> >> To trust this software because the developer seems to have good >> intentions is foolish. When I saw the announcement, I interpreted it >> as saying this: "Gee, here is some neat software I wrote. You can't >> see the code, but trust me, I'm good. I'll open up part of the code >> maybe sometime, but for now you can try it out for free. I'm not going >> to cut you off later and make you pay to continue using this wonderful >> thing. And no, it doesn't do anything bad like steal information or >> trash systems. Trust me." No thanks, I say. Promote this somewhere >> else. > > I just want to state here that not everybody feels the same as you. I wasn't expecting that everybody would feel the way I feel about the matter. It is clear from the discussion that some feel fine with this software because it is alleged to do something desireable. I don't feel fine with it because it is closed, and I have the same distrust of the other pieces of proprietary software that have been promoted on this list through the years. Scott > > Cheers, > > Rainer > >> >> Scott Randby >> >> > > -- > Rainer M. Krug > email: Rainerkrugsde > PGP: 0x0F52F982
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* Jose E. Marchesi wrote: > > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code > will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... > > Please stop using the GNU mailing lists to promote proprietary software. I don't like proprietary software. I promote open solutions wherever I can and accept a more painful living by ignoring comfy proprietary solutions. However, I do like to see (maintained) alternatives of MobileOrg and I do like to see third party tools using the Org syntax for storing and managing information. So: Jose, I like what I see on your web page and please do carry on. Thanks you for making it clear that your software is not open source and please keep on doing this. I will probably never use Orgzly by myself because I like open solutions. I accept that other people might want to have an easy-to-use closed alternative solution to use Org on their phone. It's so much better than using Evernote or other cloud-based solutions. Thanks for promoting Org! -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
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On Thursday, 22 Jan 2015 at 23:05, Melleus wrote: > MobileOrg for Android was abandoned finally, was it? I have no idea. However, I use it daily and I hope it continues to work until I no longer use an Android phone... -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.4.1, Org release_8.3beta-717-gd36bd8
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Scott Randby writes: > On 01/22/2015 05:02 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > >> Now the question is: what is the most appropriate place to *inform* >> about his project. If not the Org-mode discussion list, I really don't >> know. (I assume that nobody denies his *right* to license his work >> according to his wishes, of course, for if not, another explanation >> would be that this project doesn't have any right to *exist* in the >> first place.) > > Since we cannot view the code of this software, then we have no way of > determining before we use it if it has any purpose other than its > stated purpose. For all we know, it contains some nasty code that > takes over your system and deletes all of your files or worse. > > To trust this software because the developer seems to have good > intentions is foolish. When I saw the announcement, I interpreted it > as saying this: "Gee, here is some neat software I wrote. You can't > see the code, but trust me, I'm good. I'll open up part of the code > maybe sometime, but for now you can try it out for free. I'm not going > to cut you off later and make you pay to continue using this wonderful > thing. And no, it doesn't do anything bad like steal information or > trash systems. Trust me." No thanks, I say. Promote this somewhere > else. I just want to state here that not everybody feels the same as you. Cheers, Rainer > > Scott Randby > > -- Rainer M. Krug email: Rainerkrugsde PGP: 0x0F52F982 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On 1/22/15, Neven wrote: > If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... opt-out?
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On 01/22/2015 05:02 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Now the question is: what is the most appropriate place to *inform* about his project. If not the Org-mode discussion list, I really don't know. (I assume that nobody denies his *right* to license his work according to his wishes, of course, for if not, another explanation would be that this project doesn't have any right to *exist* in the first place.) Since we cannot view the code of this software, then we have no way of determining before we use it if it has any purpose other than its stated purpose. For all we know, it contains some nasty code that takes over your system and deletes all of your files or worse. To trust this software because the developer seems to have good intentions is foolish. When I saw the announcement, I interpreted it as saying this: "Gee, here is some neat software I wrote. You can't see the code, but trust me, I'm good. I'll open up part of the code maybe sometime, but for now you can try it out for free. I'm not going to cut you off later and make you pay to continue using this wonderful thing. And no, it doesn't do anything bad like steal information or trash systems. Trust me." No thanks, I say. Promote this somewhere else. Scott Randby
Re: [O] [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)
Orgzly is non-free software, and people should not install it, or suggest installing it, or even tell people it exists. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Subhan Michael Tindall < subh...@familycareinc.org> wrote: > OK, I love this! > Orgzly is non-free software, and people should not install it, or suggest installing it, or even tell people it exists.
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Hi, Marcin Borkowski writes: > Now Rasmus comes and says: > >> I must admit that I feel uncomfortable because you use the name >> org-mode to promote a product that does not respect the "4 freedoms" >> as put forth by the FSF. E.g. if you make mistakes, it may reflect >> poorly on us, and we won't even be able to fix it or distribute >> a version that is not broken if we so desired. That's just /my/ >> personal opinion, though. > > which is a very well-thought, delicate way of saying that he doesn't > like the situation. > (Personally, I do not 100% agree with Rasmus' opinion, but I can see the > rationale behind it.) Fine with me! Neven, whom I have exchange a couple of private emails with, is free to distribute his software as he see fit. What I explicitly quoted as being uncomfortable was the association between his product with *org-mode*. Note, the tag-line on Neven's site was something like "org-mode for Android" up until this discussion. I'm sure everybody is excited that his program is working with the *org format*! > Then others come and say some, ekhm, not-extremely-nice things to > someone who was definitely not trolling or anything like this. We should strive to keep the org-list friendly and civilized. > Let us further assume that he will sell his book in bookstores (it might > be in ebook form, with or without DRM, or in paper form - never mind, I > do not know the exact details). Would he be prohibited from mentioning > his project (which clearly involves a non-free piece of *software*, > i.e., the LaTeX source file, and promotes the *result* of executing this > piece of code) on Emacs mailing list? I am very interested in a serious > answer, and (if it happens to be "no") in explanation how and why the > situation would be different. First, I don't have strong opinions on this. However, as I recall there's a passage on articles vs software in Free as in Freedom 2.0: http://shop.fsf.org/product/free-as-in-freedom-2/ Second, there's /nothing/ wrong with charging for e.g. binaries. A few Android programs that I use come to mind: Conversations, DAVDroid, OSMAnd, OwnCloud News (correct me if I'm wrong on any of these; I don't have iGoogles). —Rasmus -- Together we will make the possible totay impossible!
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On 2015-01-22, at 17:41, Jose E. Marchesi wrote: > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code > will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... > > Please stop using the GNU mailing lists to promote proprietary software. It might be the case that I do not understand something. AFAIR, there was a recent discussion on another GNU mailing list about usability of Emacs under Windows. (Maybe it was somewhere else, I'm not sure, then my question is theoretical.) A few people claimed that Emacs under Windows is fully functional and works well. Would this also be considered "promoting proprietary software"? Also, I see the situation this way. The guy decided that he liked Org-mode, and spent his time and effort to build something that makes it even more useful. He might (or might not) want to make money on it. He might (or might not) release the code for everyone to inspect. Both are his decisions and his rights. What he needs (e.g., for testing) is some userbase. OTOH, I presume that there are people who would be willing to try this app and maybe use it on a regular basis. He began very apologetically (even too much, imho), saying: > Sorry if considered spammish, but since it has been mentioned > yesterday and it might interest some Android users out there... > > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of > code will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you > can stop reading right about now... I admit that I'm not a native speaker of English, but I can't fathom how this might be considered "promoting". Informing, yes. Promoting? Come on. He explicitly warned about the situation at the very beginning. (I assume that the posts to this mailing lists are only received by people who had voluntarily opted for it, and that FSF does not send unsolicited email - then I could understand using a word like "promotion".) Now the question is: what is the most appropriate place to *inform* about his project. If not the Org-mode discussion list, I really don't know. (I assume that nobody denies his *right* to license his work according to his wishes, of course, for if not, another explanation would be that this project doesn't have any right to *exist* in the first place.) Now Rasmus comes and says: > I must admit that I feel uncomfortable because you use the name > org-mode to promote a product that does not respect the "4 freedoms" > as put forth by the FSF. E.g. if you make mistakes, it may reflect > poorly on us, and we won't even be able to fix it or distribute > a version that is not broken if we so desired. That's just /my/ > personal opinion, though. which is a very well-thought, delicate way of saying that he doesn't like the situation. (Personally, I do not 100% agree with Rasmus' opinion, but I can see the rationale behind it.) Then others come and say some, ekhm, not-extremely-nice things to someone who was definitely not trolling or anything like this. And all that not taking into consideration that the project might gain some publicity for Org-mode and Emacs, which seems a good thing. I. Don't. Understand. This. Another (a bit theoretical) example. Mickey Petersen the Great (of Mastering Emacs fame) has recently announced a book on Emacs. Assume that he writes it in LaTeX, so his book is basically a product of a *computer program* (even if in a weird programming language). Let us further assume that he will sell his book in bookstores (it might be in ebook form, with or without DRM, or in paper form - never mind, I do not know the exact details). Would he be prohibited from mentioning his project (which clearly involves a non-free piece of *software*, i.e., the LaTeX source file, and promotes the *result* of executing this piece of code) on Emacs mailing list? I am very interested in a serious answer, and (if it happens to be "no") in explanation how and why the situation would be different. Disclaimer: while I consider Emacs a brilliant piece of software and an (almost) indispensable tool, I do not buy (and oppose) things like the GNU Manifesto, RMS's philosophy and some FSF actions (like being secretive about things that should be public imo). I also use proprietary software (although not an a daily basis, and if I have choice, I usually prefer free/open-source software). OTOH, I also happen to use software with licenses much less restrictive than GPL. I also licenced some of my (very humble) contributions to the world's pool of code with GPL, although seeing some FSF actions and discussions like this I will definitely seriously reconsider this. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University
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OK, I love this! I installed it, setup was easy as I already sync some relevant .org files through dropbox. The interface is pretty smooth, there's a few significant things that need handled(checkboxes and #+TODO per-file configuration tripped me up already), but mostly everything works. I will happily be contributing testing and feedback. I've been looking for a decent way to include my phone in my org workflow, and this likes very promising! Kepp up the good work! Subhan > -Original Message- > From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+subhant=familycareinc@gnu.org > [mailto:emacs-orgmode-bounces+subhant=familycareinc@gnu.org] On > Behalf Of Neven > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:33 AM > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Subject: [O] [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly) > > Hi, > > Sorry if considered spammish, but since it has been mentioned yesterday > and it might interest some Android users out there... > > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code > will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... > > Anyway -- it is an outliner, todo-managing, notes-taking, agenda-showing, > org-mode-wannabe app, which uses .org files for encoding the notebooks in > when syncing. > > Currently, only syncing to Dropbox is supported, but more methods will > follow after the first production release (starting from SSH, Git, WebDAV > probably). > > As mentioned, it is not an open source project, but some parts of the code > will be released in the future. Java reader/writer for org files is written > from > scratch (imaginatively named jorgmode) and is a good candidate for that. > Perhaps some Android-specific parts as well. > > You can find more (read: less) info on: > > http://www.orgzly.com/ > > App is available on Google Play as Beta -- which means you have to join > Google group https://groups.google.com/d/forum/orgzly-android-beta > first, to get a link to it. > > It has a limited set of features, but it should be already useful enough > -- you can create, edit, delete, move, promote, demote, cut, paste, > schedule, tag, prioritize and search notes. > > And sync notebooks. You might want to *copy* some of your org files to a > new directory (or directories) you'll use for syncing and make sure you're > happy with generated files. Files should be identical *except* for some > white space. Let me know if it doesn't work for you or you notice anything > else strange. > > Not too many different org files were used for testing -- worg, personal and > some random ones found on the net were used. If you know where to find > some more, do tell. Never enough for this kind of testing. > > Anyway -- hope you find the app useful (young as it is). > > Any questions, suggestions, ideas, issues, etc. are very welcome -- you can > use the group mentioned above (posting by email is enabled), reply to me, > or use supp...@orgzly.com. > > > Thanks, > > Neven This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Thank you.
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Melleus writes: > MobileOrg for Android was abandoned finally, was it? There is a new open source project: https://github.com/hdweiss/mOrgAnd announced here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mobileorg-android/I9qTE5G56Gg/ltYXvulYs9QJ Neven
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MobileOrg for Android was abandoned finally, was it?
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Rasmus writes: >> *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code >> will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop >> reading right about now... Sorry if this sounded a bit arrogant and if the whole email sounded as an ad. It wasn't my intention, as the app if free (although only as a beer currently). I use org-mode for everything and this app was created from my need to do some work on the phone. Setting up MobileOrg and apps at the time didn't work for me. Maybe I should have gone the route of contributing to the existing implementation, but the second reason for this app was learning Android -- it literally grew from my first Hello World app. > I must admit that I feel uncomfortable because you use the name org-mode > to promote a product that does not respect the "4 freedoms" as put forth > by the FSF. E.g. if you make mistakes, it may reflect poorly on us, and > we won't even be able to fix it or distribute a version that is not broken > if we so desired. That's just /my/ personal opinion, though. OK, that makes sense. I was planning to add support for multiple file formats in the future -- maybe todo.txt, taskwarrior's JSON etc. But for start, I will remove any references to org-mode as such. (it's gone from the website now). I'll refer only to .org files where needed. That is -- org as a file format, not emacs's mode. I hope that would be an improvement, if someone doesn't think so, please let me know. The parser will be open sourced which I hope will help too. Anyway, I'm still deciding what to do with the app. I might just go ahead and open source it in the end. I'd much rather see people finding it useful, then trying to make money from it. Neven
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+1 for not using this list for cost free promotion of proprietary software. Scott Randby On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Jose E. Marchesi wrote: > > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code > will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... > > Please stop using the GNU mailing lists to promote proprietary software. >
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*NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop reading right about now... Please stop using the GNU mailing lists to promote proprietary software.
Re: [O] [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)
Hi Neven, Thanks for explaining your program here. The screenshots/animations on your website look pretty. Neven writes: > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code > will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... I must admit that I feel uncomfortable because you use the name org-mode to promote a product that does not respect the "4 freedoms" as put forth by the FSF. E.g. if you make mistakes, it may reflect poorly on us, and we won't even be able to fix it or distribute a version that is not broken if we so desired. That's just /my/ personal opinion, though. > Not too many different org files were used for testing -- worg, personal > and some random ones found on the net were used. If you know where to > find some more, do tell. Never enough for this kind of testing. On the other hand, I'm happy that you (also) find joy in the Org format! Cheers, Rasmus -- . . . It begins of course with The Internet. A Net of Peers
Re: [O] [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)
thx! i am excited about any org android app :) will try it when i get home Z On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Neven wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry if considered spammish, but since it has been mentioned yesterday > and it might interest some Android users out there... > > *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code > will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop > reading right about now... > > Anyway -- it is an outliner, todo-managing, notes-taking, > agenda-showing, org-mode-wannabe app, which uses .org files for encoding > the notebooks in when syncing. > > Currently, only syncing to Dropbox is supported, but more methods will > follow after the first production release (starting from SSH, Git, > WebDAV probably). > > As mentioned, it is not an open source project, but some parts of the > code will be released in the future. Java reader/writer for org files > is written from scratch (imaginatively named jorgmode) and is a good > candidate for that. Perhaps some Android-specific parts as well. > > You can find more (read: less) info on: > > http://www.orgzly.com/ > > App is available on Google Play as Beta -- which means you have to join > Google group https://groups.google.com/d/forum/orgzly-android-beta > first, to get a link to it. > > It has a limited set of features, but it should be already useful enough > -- you can create, edit, delete, move, promote, demote, cut, paste, > schedule, tag, prioritize and search notes. > > And sync notebooks. You might want to *copy* some of your org files to > a new directory (or directories) you'll use for syncing and make sure > you're happy with generated files. Files should be identical *except* > for some white space. Let me know if it doesn't work for you or you > notice anything else strange. > > Not too many different org files were used for testing -- worg, personal > and some random ones found on the net were used. If you know where to > find some more, do tell. Never enough for this kind of testing. > > Anyway -- hope you find the app useful (young as it is). > > Any questions, suggestions, ideas, issues, etc. are very welcome -- you > can use the group mentioned above (posting by email is enabled), reply > to me, or use supp...@orgzly.com. > > > Thanks, > > Neven > >
[O] [ANN] [OT] New Android app (Orgzly)
Hi, Sorry if considered spammish, but since it has been mentioned yesterday and it might interest some Android users out there... *NOTE* It's about an app which is *not* open source (some parts of code will opened, see below). If you have a problem with that, you can stop reading right about now... Anyway -- it is an outliner, todo-managing, notes-taking, agenda-showing, org-mode-wannabe app, which uses .org files for encoding the notebooks in when syncing. Currently, only syncing to Dropbox is supported, but more methods will follow after the first production release (starting from SSH, Git, WebDAV probably). As mentioned, it is not an open source project, but some parts of the code will be released in the future. Java reader/writer for org files is written from scratch (imaginatively named jorgmode) and is a good candidate for that. Perhaps some Android-specific parts as well. You can find more (read: less) info on: http://www.orgzly.com/ App is available on Google Play as Beta -- which means you have to join Google group https://groups.google.com/d/forum/orgzly-android-beta first, to get a link to it. It has a limited set of features, but it should be already useful enough -- you can create, edit, delete, move, promote, demote, cut, paste, schedule, tag, prioritize and search notes. And sync notebooks. You might want to *copy* some of your org files to a new directory (or directories) you'll use for syncing and make sure you're happy with generated files. Files should be identical *except* for some white space. Let me know if it doesn't work for you or you notice anything else strange. Not too many different org files were used for testing -- worg, personal and some random ones found on the net were used. If you know where to find some more, do tell. Never enough for this kind of testing. Anyway -- hope you find the app useful (young as it is). Any questions, suggestions, ideas, issues, etc. are very welcome -- you can use the group mentioned above (posting by email is enabled), reply to me, or use supp...@orgzly.com. Thanks, Neven
