Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-03-18 Thread Norman Tovey-Walsh
Mark E. Shoulson writes: > On 2/19/20 2:39 AM, Bastien wrote: >> - org-hide-emphasis-markers => t > > Just to note: I've been working on a minor-mode in which the emphasis > markers are "invisible" but not hidden (i.e. they still take up space, […] > size, so the extra space is not quite as

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-03-17 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 2/19/20 2:39 AM, Bastien wrote: - org-hide-emphasis-markers => t Just to note: I've been working on a minor-mode in which the emphasis markers are "invisible" but not hidden (i.e. they still take up space, they're just in 'org-hide face or something similar), except when the point is

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-22 Thread Archenoth
Oh yeah, I agree that it's redundant--and that's why I was more just advocating for the functionality it provided rather than for the module itself. It's just a piece of functionality that a lot of people seem to use and enjoy, and if there were a way to keep it without holding onto a second

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-22 Thread Bastien
Hi, Nicolas Goaziou writes: > In this case, a strong argument against it is: there is already a > template mechanism available out of the box, why would we provide > two of them? I bet most users of the <* completion mechanism provided by org-tempo don't even notice it is a "template"

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-22 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Bastien writes: > Archenoth writes: > >> The tab key is extremely easy to hit, and having a fully formed block >> created by typing a short string of characters makes the >> tab-completion lizard-part of my brain happy in a way that key chord >> combos simply don't. > > You say it

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-22 Thread Bastien
Hi, Archenoth writes: > The tab key is extremely easy to hit, and having a fully formed block > created by typing a short string of characters makes the > tab-completion lizard-part of my brain happy in a way that key chord > combos simply don't. You say it better than I did - I will see if I

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-21 Thread Archenoth
Yes! Thank you Bastien! On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:26 AM Bastien wrote: > > Also, my question is still open: is there any strong reason to provide, > > out of the box, two template mechanisms in Org? This is genuine > > question. > > No, there is no good reason for two template mechanism, and

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-21 Thread Diego Zamboni
Thanks Bastien for all your work! --Diego On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 4:50 PM Bastien wrote: > Hi all, > > here are the results of the survey, with *47* voters: > > - 26+2 : org-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region => t > - 25+2 : org-agenda-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region => t > - 28+3 :

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-21 Thread Bastien
Hi all, here are the results of the survey, with *47* voters: - 26+2 : org-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region => t - 25+2 : org-agenda-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region => t - 28+3 : org-fontify-done-headline => t - 17+4 : org-hide-emphasis-markers => t - 10+6 : org-hide-macro-markers => t

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-20 Thread Kaushal Modi
> > > However, hiding emphasis and macro markers can make editing text at > > the boundaries of emphasized text non-intuitive, which I can imagine > > might frustrate some new users, so that should probably be carefully > > considered. > +1e6 > Interestingly, hiding emphasis and macro markers

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Adam, Adam Porter writes: > I generally approve of all of these changes. Thanks for sharing your opinion. > However, hiding emphasis and macro markers can make editing text at > the boundaries of emphasized text non-intuitive, which I can imagine > might frustrate some new users, so that

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Adam Porter
Marco Wahl writes: - org-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region => t >>> >>> I vote for => 'start-level. Loop over headlines with same level as the >>> first. >> >> Yes, good suggestion. > > Let's see what others say. I can see how that could be useful, but I feel like it would be less

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Adam Porter
I generally approve of all of these changes. However, hiding emphasis and macro markers can make editing text at the boundaries of emphasized text non-intuitive, which I can imagine might frustrate some new users, so that should probably be carefully considered. The other changes seem like

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Samuel Wales
recent org stackoverexchangeflowwhatgever post queries why <* is broken. :) On 2/19/20, Bastien wrote: > Hi Vladimir, > > Vladimir Lomov writes: > >>> I'm tempted to count the number of fingers involved ;) >> >> C-c C-, s --> Ctrl c , s >> < s TAB --> Shift , s TAB >> >> ??? > > I added the

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Vladimir, Vladimir Lomov writes: >> I'm tempted to count the number of fingers involved ;) > > C-c C-, s --> Ctrl c , s > < s TAB --> Shift , s TAB > > ??? I added the smiley to make it clear it was a joke. >> Which may not be *that* stupid when considering "fast" typing. >> But eh, I

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Vladimir Lomov
Hello ** Bastien [2020-02-19 18:24:43 +0100]: > Hi Nicolas, > Nicolas Goaziou writes: >> I don't understand. C-c C-, combination is as fast as Org Tempo: >> >> C-c C-, s : 3 keys >> < s TAB : 3 keys > I'm tempted to count the number of fingers involved ;) C-c C-, s --> Ctrl c , s

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Samuel Wales
in my old version at least, pretty entities talks about utf-8 and \name. and the option under discussion does not mention pretty entitities. dunno abou the implementation or any changes since my version, but i am arguing from empiricism. the errors are all over the web. :) On 2/19/20,

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Samuel and Marcin, Marcin Borkowski writes: > There is already an option for that (~org-use-sub-superscripts~). > Changing the default to `{} seems a great idea. I didn't identify this possible change -- other ideas for new defaults are welcome, of course. I'm not sure about this one:

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Marco, Marco Wahl writes: > Fair enough. I tried to implement the sentence "When after the headline > text, kill the tags" from the documentation for org-special-ctrl-k, > which I interpreted as kill _all_ tags. Just to make clear my decision > for the patch. Yes, I understand - but the

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Marcin Borkowski
On 2020-02-19, at 21:02, Samuel Wales wrote: > just an idea but changing the subscript and superscript export feature > to ‘{}’ would reduce accidental invocation. i have seen solecistic > subscripts on websites created with org (probably by experts who > babelize their .emacs!), and on this

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Samuel Wales
just an idea but changing the subscript and superscript export feature to ‘{}’ would reduce accidental invocation. i have seen solecistic subscripts on websites created with org (probably by experts who babelize their .emacs!), and on this ml :). i have seen it used accidentally more than i have

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Marco Wahl
Hi Bastien and all, >> Subject: [PATCH 1/2] org: Fix corner case for org-kill-line >> >> * lisp/org.el (org-kill-line): Kill _all_ tags when the cursor is on the >> tags part. > > There is a problem with this patch: when on a empty heading with tags, > killing the tags will let the cursor back

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou writes: > I don't understand. C-c C-, combination is as fast as Org Tempo: > > C-c C-, s : 3 keys > < s TAB : 3 keys I'm tempted to count the number of fingers involved ;) Which may not be *that* stupid when considering "fast" typing. But eh, I don't want

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Detlef, if you can, please add your vote to the poll: https://framadate.org/Ufc42EVxS2jO1Ajz This is not to say that qualitative comments such as Matt's one won't be taken into account, I read them carefull, especially when they come from (very-)long-time users, but I hope the poll can be

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Joost, thanks for your feedback. If you can, please add your vote to the poll, so that we collect all votes in a single place. Thanks, -- Bastien

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Detlef Steuer
Am Wed, 19 Feb 2020 09:41:21 -0600 schrieb Matthew Lundin : > Bastien writes: > > > - org-fontify-done-headline => t > > > > This is useful to visualize done headlines and can be easily > > turned off, while not being easily discovered for Org newcomers. > > I find this a bit visually

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Joost Kremers
On Wed, Feb 19 2020, Matthew Lundin wrote: - org-hide-emphasis-markers => t - org-hide-macro-markers => t [...] I have a few concerns about this. I believe that markup syntax, as a rule, should be visible. Most markdown editors do not hide markup by default. I realize that there are some

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Matthew Lundin
Bastien writes: > - org-fontify-done-headline => t > > This is useful to visualize done headlines and can be easily turned > off, while not being easily discovered for Org newcomers. I find this a bit visually distracting, but that's likely because I've used Org mode in the "old school" way

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Tim Cross
Hi Bastien - comments in-line below Bastien writes: > Hi Tim, > > Tim Cross writes: > >> I agree 100%. We have already gone through this pain and as has been >> pointed out numerous times, the 'new' approach has significant benefits >> over the old > old habits, but once done the new

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Bastien writes: > Well, let's agree to disagree on this one. > > org-tempo and C-c C- fill two different use cases: the first one for > fast block insertion while typing, the second one for e.g. when the > region is selected. I don't understand. C-c C-, combination is as fast as Org

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Marco, Marco Wahl writes: >> Can you propose a patch against the maint branch for the fixes above? > > Sure. See the attachments. Thanks... > From 49b00d2cf7ca4b8484e0a9679b39b62873ee30b6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Marco Wahl > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 13:48:01 +0100 > Subject:

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Marco Wahl
Hi! >>> - org-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region => t >> >> I vote for => 'start-level. Loop over headlines with same level as the >> first. > > Yes, good suggestion. Let's see what others say. >>> - org-special-ctrl-k => t >>> >>> The default value for the sister option org-special-ctrl-a

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Tim, Tim Cross writes: > I agree 100%. We have already gone through this pain and as has been > pointed out numerous times, the 'new' approach has significant benefits > over the old old habits, but once done the new version works fine. Point taken. But as I said, I think both approaches

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread AW
Am Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2020, 12:30:59 CET schrieb Nicolas Goaziou: > Hello, > > Bastien writes: > > - Add org-tempo to org-modules > > > > Last but not least: we had long discussions about this one in the > > past. Expansion of the " > the beginning of the line has been turned off. I

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Tim Cross
I agree 100%. We have already gone through this pain and as has been pointed out numerous times, the 'new' approach has significant benefits over the old writes: > Hello, > > Bastien writes: > >> - Add org-tempo to org-modules >> >> Last but not least: we had long discussions about this one

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou writes: > This is not a good default, at least for beginners, because Org provides > a better solution out of the box. There are also better solutions > outside Org (e.g., Yasnippet). Well, let's agree to disagree on this one. org-tempo and C-c C- fill two

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Marco, Marco Wahl writes: >> - org-loop-over-headlines-in-active-region => t > > I vote for => 'start-level. Loop over headlines with same level as the > first. Yes, good suggestion. >> - org-special-ctrl-k => t >> >> The default value for the sister option org-special-ctrl-a is set to

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Bastien writes: > - Add org-tempo to org-modules > > Last but not least: we had long discussions about this one in the > past. Expansion of the " the beginning of the line has been turned off. I have IRL met with > Org users* who just thought the feature was broken/deleted,

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Marco Wahl
Bastien writes: > while Org 9.4 is on its way, I am considering changing a few default > settings (10 options in total). I have created a survey here: > > https://framadate.org/Ufc42EVxS2jO1Ajz > > Can you take a few minutes and express your opinion there? Ok. I'll go there in a minute. >

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Samuel, thanks for your feedback. Samuel Wales writes: > On 2/19/20, Bastien wrote: >> - org-refile-use-cache => t >> >> This is a speed boost when refiling entries: if org-refile-targets >> is big, caching refile targets help refiling faster. > > i predict this will generate bug

Re: Survey: changing a few default settings for Org 9.4

2020-02-19 Thread Samuel Wales
On 2/19/20, Bastien wrote: > - org-refile-use-cache => t > > This is a speed boost when refiling entries: if org-refile-targets > is big, caching refile targets help refiling faster. i predict this will generate bug reports. in particular pay close attention to restricted refile and whether