Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Morley
Did you read the text in pncconf about homing- it shows when you are on an axis page and press the help key. help text changes for most pages when you press the help key. I thought it did a decent description of the basics - it's old text so I could add more to it. Chris

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Morley
There _is_ only one home position. But it doesn't need to be at the origin or switch trip point. The problem seems to come from people thinking the contact with the homing switch is where home is. which is not surprising, as when you ask linuxcnc to home that's where it goes first. But it's

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Reinhard
On Montag, 13. Juli 2020, 23:33:35 CEST Chris Morley wrote: > X home position in the diagram is referring to the final home position. ??? There could be only ONE home position and that's in my understanding the origin in machine coordinates. Or with other words: home position is where the home

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Reinhard
Hi, On Montag, 13. Juli 2020, 22:11:53 CEST Rod Webster wrote: > Data redundancy should be avoided at all costs. There must be only one > single point of truth! That's a very nice theory :D If you look at the code of linuxcnc, or even at language texts you'll note, that reality is different ;)

Re: [Emc-developers] Docs help required

2020-07-13 Thread N
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 22:08, N wrote: > > > Maybe you need tell it is UTF8 unless there already is and ctan package. > > Without this is it might be you must enter the character code instead of > > actual character. > > Have you found where the .tex files exist during docs generation? I >

Re: [Emc-developers] Changelog

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Morley
silverdragon/qtdragon (they are the same) is new (beta) available in gscreen and qtvcp qtaxis -new (beta) available in qtvcp QtTouchy, Qtlathe, - available in Qtvcp and are more in sample stage. There are others in Qtvcp, but not work mentioning. Thanks From:

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Morley
If HTML docs were included for offline, I would have Pncconf load them. PDF docs suck. Those diagrams you reference are included in pncconf help page too. From: Rod Webster Sent: July 13, 2020 8:11 PM To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] problem

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Chris Morley
X home position in the diagram is referring to the final home position. The measurements 4 and 10 are the trip pin to limit switches measurements, which is an easy way to physically measure them. The home position was just set at 6" arbitrarily. When you hit the home switch you establish the

Re: [Emc-developers] Docs help required

2020-07-13 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 22:08, N wrote: > Maybe you need tell it is UTF8 unless there already is and ctan package. > Without this is it might be you must enter the character code instead of > actual character. Have you found where the .tex files exist during docs generation? I think that would

Re: [Emc-developers] Docs help required

2020-07-13 Thread N
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:39:22 +0100 andy pugh wrote: > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 08:23, N wrote:> > > From the last free rows I am pretty sure Chinese font package CJKutf8 is > > missing. Could also find a few rows at top "no support" but would guess > > they are also for other languages but are

Re: [Emc-developers] what am I missing?

2020-07-13 Thread N
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:20:07 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 13 July 2020 07:04:24 andy pugh wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 11:49, Gene Heskett > wrote: > > > Cannot convert 'common/images/emc2-intro.png' to pdf > > > > https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/332928/ > > > > Imagemagick no

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Rod Webster
There is a separate heading about homing http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini-homing.html I don't think pncconf docs should include anything about homing except a reference to the homing configuration docs. Data redundancy should be avoided at all costs. There must be only one single

Re: [Emc-developers] Changelog

2020-07-13 Thread John Thornton
Hopefully the authors of those will chime in with the info on their work. IMHO too much detail can be just as bad as too little... JT On 7/13/2020 6:00 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 11:40, John wrote: Looks good to me. I am a bit fuzzy on Silverdragon / QTdragon. And I

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread Joe Hildreth
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 21:59, Rod Webster wrote: > >> It is possible to generate translations on the fly on a web site using >> Google Translate. > > There is an interesting problem with computer translation, which needs > to be kept in mind and that is character encoding. > There is some

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 21:59, Rod Webster wrote: > It is possible to generate translations on the fly on a web site using > Google Translate. There is an interesting problem with computer translation, which needs to be kept in mind and that is character encoding. There is some risk of

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread N
> On 07/12/2020 03:59 PM, Rod Webster wrote: > > Personally, I think the power of Google Translate makes this redundant. > > If I open a non-english HTML page Google Translate just translates it for > > me. > > I asked a French speaking person to review a 20 page technical document of > > mine

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 July 2020 11:07:33 Jon Elson wrote: > On 07/12/2020 12:49 PM, andy pugh wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 18:44, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > >> By the way. I second the dropping the PDF docs in favour of the > >> HTML ones. It's much more easy to find the info in the HTML docs > >>

Re: [Emc-developers] what am I missing?

2020-07-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 July 2020 07:04:24 andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 11:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Cannot convert 'common/images/emc2-intro.png' to pdf > > https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/332928/ > > Imagemagick no longer supports converting images to PDF. Humm, since my ghostscript is

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Reinhard
On Montag, 13. Juli 2020, 16:55:28 CEST andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 15:31, Reinhard wrote: > > So when the home-switch signals contact, then that is my home position, > > The home switch can be anywhere on the axis. It does not have to be at > a position called "0". Sure! I know

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/12/2020 03:59 PM, Rod Webster wrote: Personally, I think the power of Google Translate makes this redundant. If I open a non-english HTML page Google Translate just translates it for me. I asked a French speaking person to review a 20 page technical document of mine which I had translated

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/12/2020 12:49 PM, andy pugh wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 18:44, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: By the way. I second the dropping the PDF docs in favour of the HTML ones. It's much more easy to find the info in the HTML docs that I almost forget there are PDF docs uploaded. The PDF ones are

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread Jon Elson
On 07/12/2020 10:52 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 16:39, wrote: Go for it AndyP. Is this support for dropping the multilingual docs? Well, horribly out of date multilingual docs should maybe be removed from the main directory tree, but retained in git so if somebody so

Re: [Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 15:31, Reinhard wrote: > So when the home-switch signals contact, then that is my home position, The home switch can be anywhere on the axis. It does not have to be at a position called "0". -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed

[Emc-developers] problem understanding diagram from help-pages of pncconf

2020-07-13 Thread Reinhard
Hi, I just tried to translate the help-pages of pncconf, when I realized, that I don't understand the mill picture. In my understanding, homing an axis means, that the axis moves until the home- switch signals contact. No matter what or where the home-switch is - whether it is shared limit

Re: [Emc-developers] what am I missing?

2020-07-13 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 11:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > Cannot convert 'common/images/emc2-intro.png' to pdf https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/332928/ Imagemagick no longer supports converting images to PDF. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the

Re: [Emc-developers] Changelog

2020-07-13 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 11:40, John wrote: > > Looks good to me. I am a bit fuzzy on Silverdragon / QTdragon. And I suspect that there might be more new UIs too? Also, there are a lot more sample configs, such as Gmoccapy + kahe wear or Gmoccpy + (my) lathe macros that might be worth mentioning

[Emc-developers] what am I missing?

2020-07-13 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; Something has gone missing in generating pdf docs, and results in quite a few of these: Cannot convert 'common/images/emc2-intro.png' to pdf Cannot convert 'hal/images/HAL_Configuration.png' to pdf What, on Buster armhf, uptodate do I need tp squish these? Thanks. Cheers, Gene

Re: [Emc-developers] Changelog

2020-07-13 Thread John
Looks good to me. JT On 7/12/20 4:14 PM, andy pugh wrote: I tried auto-generating a changelog with the script and got rather a lot of entries (many thousands) I have pared them down to those I think might affect users. https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/2.8/debian/changelog Can you

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread John
If we keep the French docs they should be only in the version where they are up to date. The Spanish docs can be dropped as only a few pages were translated. JT On 7/12/20 8:31 AM, andy pugh wrote: I consider the "CNC" menu to be excessively cluttered. It has links to the PDF docs in all

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread N
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 03:18, Reinhard wrote: > > > When I run pncconf last days I noted the bad translation status of german > > texts. Well - not the docs, as there is no german variant. > > I can read French and German well enough to tell if the docs are > correct, but not well enough to

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread N
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 03:18, Reinhard wrote: > > > When I run pncconf last days I noted the bad translation status of german > > texts. Well - not the docs, as there is no german variant. > > I can read French and German well enough to tell if the docs are > correct, but not well enough to

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 at 03:18, Reinhard wrote: > When I run pncconf last days I noted the bad translation status of german > texts. Well - not the docs, as there is no german variant. I can read French and German well enough to tell if the docs are correct, but not well enough to correct them.

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread N
> I thought, every german would know english, as it is teached at elementary > school already. But reality is different. I met several germans interested in > cnc, that don't know english. So having docs in native language can help > spread the project. Could confirm this, one of my old

Re: [Emc-developers] What to do about the docs?

2020-07-13 Thread N
> If a translation is not being actively maintained there is really no point > including it in a distribution. > I only ever use the HTML docs on the web site. No Internet on machines in workshop, locally available then pressing F1 would be good unless there are any major disadvantages. >