Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Steffen Möller
On 01.03.22 23:35, Rod Webster wrote: The reason why I put this on the agenda is that I observed that the debian project uncovered a number of licenses which we had to include in our copyright statement that deviated from the standard GPL licence. I was quite surprised at this. I would defer

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 4:20:42 PM EST Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > Den 2022-03-01 kl. 21:39, skrev Bari: > > On 3/1/22 14:25, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > >> Den 2022-03-01 kl. 21:17, skrev Bari: > >>> On 3/1/22 13:20, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > Already have a simple implementation of an

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Rod Webster
The reason why I put this on the agenda is that I observed that the debian project uncovered a number of licenses which we had to include in our copyright statement that deviated from the standard GPL licence. I was quite surprised at this. I would defer to Steffen on license issues and

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Jérémie Tarot
Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 22:22, Nicklas SB Karlsson a écrit : > > > > > https://github.com/OpenEtherCATsociety/SOEM/blob/master/LICENSE > > > Line below seems like a problem. > Exactly ___ Emc-developers mailing list

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
Den 2022-03-01 kl. 21:39, skrev Bari: On 3/1/22 14:25, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: Den 2022-03-01 kl. 21:17, skrev Bari: On 3/1/22 13:20, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: Already have a simple implementation of an Ethercat driver with hardcoded configuration but read something about the license

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Jérémie Tarot
Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 21:40, Bari a écrit : > > > https://github.com/OpenEtherCATsociety/SOEM/blob/master/LICENSE I don't understand how the last sentences could be compatible with GPL? > ___ Emc-developers mailing list

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Bari
On 3/1/22 14:25, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: Den 2022-03-01 kl. 21:17, skrev Bari: On 3/1/22 13:20, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: Already have a simple implementation of an Ethercat driver with hardcoded configuration but read something about the license problem and have kept it for myself.

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
Den 2022-03-01 kl. 21:17, skrev Bari: On 3/1/22 13:20, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: Already have a simple implementation of an Ethercat driver with hardcoded configuration but read something about the license problem and have kept it for myself. If you developed this yourself without being

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Bari
On 3/1/22 13:20, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: Already have a simple implementation of an Ethercat driver with hardcoded configuration but read something about the license problem and have kept it for myself. If you developed this yourself without being under an NDA or some contract with

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Jérémie Tarot
Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 18:17, andy pugh a écrit : > > I am generally in favour of anything that makes LinuxCNC easier to use > and more broadly applicable. > So, I support bundling-in EtherCAT support, as long as we can be sure > that nobody will be pointing their lawyers in our direction. >

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Steffen Möller
On 01.03.22 20:15, Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: Den 2022-03-01 kl. 13:27, skrev Rod Webster: So I shared Steffen's post on the Ethercat section of the forum calling for technical volunteers. Maybe some of them are in this group already.

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Jérémie Tarot
Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 02:31, Chad Woitas a écrit : > > Exploring a few other options as well for Ethercat. > What about those Raspberry Pi EtherCAT HAT and Arduino EtherCAT shields? ___ Emc-developers mailing list

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
Den 2022-02-28 kl. 15:47, skrev Steffen Möller: Hello again, On 28.02.22 14:28, andy pugh wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 13:22, Steffen Möller wrote: Personally I know nothing about EtherCAT. I have always been a little afraid of the licensing complexities mentioned here:

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
Den 2022-03-01 kl. 13:27, skrev Rod Webster: So I shared Steffen's post on the Ethercat section of the forum calling for technical volunteers. Maybe some of them are in this group already.

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Michael Graichen
Hey Marc, Be carefull with this. This code is running in Userspace while etherlabs ethercat stack is running as Kernelmodule. Ethernet Packets in Linux are transfered to the Userspace over a mechanism called "Soft IRQ". This will mess up any Realtime dependency especally on little ARMs like

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 13:56, Steffen Möller wrote: > *My personal anchors to the community are Seb, Jeff and Andy. I suggest > that Rod sends whatever we come up with (if we come up with anything) > directly, but I would like to first have a positive vote by one of them > and "don't care"s or

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Marc Wang
Hi, FYI, I got interested in the conversation and ended up finding this repository on GitHub: https://github.com/OpenEtherCATsociety/SOEM The code for the master is released as a GNU General Public License version 2. Regards, Marc -Original Message- From: Rod Webster Sent: March

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Rod Webster
> From my understanding Beckhoff is very open regarding the master (who > even does not need a special hardware, > when driven by an RTOS) and are very restrictive when it comes to the >slave (where a ASIC / FPGA is needed in any case) This was also my understanding when I read the licensing

Re: [Emc-developers] EtherCAT - would not be a prob with free membership in EtherCAT Technology Group Re: LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Rod Webster
So I shared Steffen's post on the Ethercat section of the forum calling for technical volunteers. Maybe some of them are in this group already. https://forum.linuxcnc.org/ethercat/45239-lets-get-ethercat-into-the-linuxcnc-distribution-need-technical-people-to-help Lets hope the right people come

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Steffen Möller
On 01.03.22 10:59, Les Newell wrote: So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. As far as I can tell from their docs, that is the case. It's a pretty sound business model. I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the cable. From what I can

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 5:29:51 AM EST Rainer Stelzer wrote: > Hi Gene, > > > So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. > > And I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the > > cable. > No, they don't charge twice. > Part of marketing a

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Rainer Stelzer
Hi Gene, So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. And I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the cable. No, they don't charge twice. Part of marketing a Fieldbus-System is to make it widely accepted in the industry, so Beckhoff (and others like

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Les Newell
So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. As far as I can tell from their docs, that is the case. It's a pretty sound business model. I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the cable. From what I can tell, it would be one royalty per axis.

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 4:27:21 AM EST Les Newell wrote: > > I was not specificaly seeking the monetary cost, more the loss of > > rights, which could be far more costly than the monetary cost. As > > always, keep TANSTAAFL in mind. > > As far as Beckhoff are concerned this isn't a free lunch.

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Les Newell
I was not specificaly seeking the monetary cost, more the loss of rights, which could be far more costly than the monetary cost. As always, keep TANSTAAFL in mind. As far as Beckhoff are concerned this isn't a free lunch. Similar to Mesa they make their money on the hardware. Supporting the